Statues of Brave Heroes of the South

[Archivist]

Says the man who claimed he didn't want to resort to this kind of behavior in this thread.

After having it directed at me I decided to respond accordingly.

 

[Under One King]

After having it directed at me I decided to respond accordingly.

Oh, that makes sense.

 

[Archivist]

I know I'll get backlash for this. But the civil war was not about slavery.
And by the way @Archivist, Lincoln admitted he manipulated things so the South fired the first shot. Naturally, that made them the "bad guys" and it made the north the "good guys."

The war began because the south left the Union and fired the first. But had it not been for slavery that wouldn’t have happened.

Are you saying Lincoln loaded the cannon? Gave the order to fire? I don’t think so. He sent a squadron to deliver supplies and troops to a Union fort. That isn’t manipulating anything. If the US sent a supply ship and troops to Gitmo, would we be manipulating Cuba to fire the first shot?

 

[Archivist]

Oh, that makes sense.

Turnabout is fair play.

 

[Under One King]

Good grief, dude, you sure like to put words in people's mouths.

 

[Archivist]

Good grief, dude, you sure like to put words in people's mouths.

I’m not putting words in anyone’s mouth.

 

[Archivist]

Can we get this thread back to the OP?

 

[Under One King]

Turnabout is fair play.

Especially when you say you don't want it, then encourage people to keep it up by doing it yourself?

 

[Under One King]

I’m not putting words in anyone’s mouth.

Right. You totally didn't put any words in my mouth.

 

[Archivist]

Especially when you say you don't want it, then encourage people to keep it up by doing it yourself?

I’m not encouraging people “to keep it up.” They should be polite to begin with. We are dealing with adults here,

Now can we get back to the OP?

 

[Under One King]

Can we get this thread back to the OP?

Sure, what do you want to talk about?

 

[Archivist]

Right. You totally didn't put any words in my mouth.

PM me to tell me exactly what words I put in your mouth. Otherwise let’s get back to the OP.

 

[tulc]

I know I'll get backlash for this. But the civil war was not about slavery. (snip)

...any idea why they mentioned slavery so often in their declarations of secession than? Because it seems odd how often they brought it up:
The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States
been here?
Absolute Proof the Civil War Was About Slavery.
tulc(is just curious)

 

[Archivist]

Sure, what do you want to talk about?

I want to discuss the OP. Why were brave southerners who fought for the Union not honored at Richmond, statues that were to honor brave southerners?

 

[Under One King]

I want to discuss the OP. Why were brave southerners who fought for the Union not honored at Richmond, statues that were to honor brave southerners?

That would be because brave southerners would be referring to the southern soldiers. Confederate soldiers are many times referred to as the south or the southerners, and the american soldiers are many times referred to as the north or northerners. Would you argue that brave confederate soldiers should have a place in monuments honoring brave northerners just because they lived in the north?

 

[Under One King]

...any idea why they mentioned slavery so often in their declarations of secession than? Because it seems odd how often they brought it up:
The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States
been here?
Absolute Proof the Civil War Was About Slavery.
tulc(is just curious)

Sure. It will take a bit, as there is a lot of explaining to do.

 

[Under One King]

PM me to tell me exactly what words I put in your mouth. Otherwise let’s get back to the OP.

Why PM you? Do you not want anyone else to see or something?

 

[Archivist]

That would be because brave southerners would be referring to the southern soldiers. Confederate soldiers are many times referred to as the south or the southerners, and the american soldiers are many times referred to as the north or northerners. Would you argue that brave confederate soldiers should have a place in monuments honoring brave northerners just because they lived in the north?

I know of no Civil War statues north of the Mason-Dixon Line that specifically honor “brave northerners.”

 

[Archivist]

Why PM you? Do you not want anyone else to see or something?

No, I want to get the thread back on topic. I asked you to PM me if you want to continue your off topic discussion.

 

[Under One King]

No, I want to get the thread back on topic. I asked you to PM me if you want to continue your off topic discussion.

That's fine. I will start a new thread later about why the civil war was not about slavery.