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Featured Statues of Brave Heroes of the South

Discussion in 'Current News & Events' started by Archivist, Aug 8, 2020.

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  1. Archivist

    Archivist Senior Veteran Supporter

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    When the first complaints about the statues of Confederate leaders in Richmond were raised, I was told that they were really there to honor brave southerns. If that is true, why was General Winfield Scott, the man who came up with the anaconda plan that ultimately won the war, not depicted there? After all, he was certainly a brave Southerner, and one who was not a traitor to his country. Likewise, why was Admiral David Farragut, the first Admiral in the navy and the victor at Mobile Bay, not there? He was a southerner who remained loyal to the Union and a very brave man. General George Thomas, another brave southerner who was not a traitor, was never there even though he won the Battle of Chattanooga.

    Never tell me that Monument Avenue in Richmond was there to honor “brave southerners.” The statues there honored only the traitors who fought against their nation.

    Monument Avenue is Richmond’s racist row. Will tearing it down redeem a city?

    https://acwm.org/blog/monument-avenue-controversial-start/
     
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  2. Sistrin

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    The logic of your statement is flawed, as it does not account for the history of the time. The American Civil War occurred during a time in American history when the vast majority of people were born, lived their entire lives, and died all within an average twenty mile radius of their birth place. Consequently their primary loyalties lay with the State in which they lived.

    People spoke of themselves as Georgians, or Maine-Men, or Buckeyes as opposed to Americans. It wasn't until following the Civil War Americans as a people began to refer to themselves as such.
     
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  3. civilwarbuff

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    Absolutely correct. Sectionalism was the status of the day not nationalism.....Prior to the CW people said 'the US are...." and after began to say 'the US is....'....big difference in the way people viewed the country. The south hung on to sectionalism much longer than the north.
     
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  4. Archivist

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    But if they were honoring brave southerners then they should have honored all brave southerners. Otherwise don't say that is who is being honored.
     
  5. paul1149

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    Also the question of succession was far from settled back then. People could have different opinions on it without being "traitors to their country".
     
  6. civilwarbuff

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    Says who?....your flawed logic? Benedict Arnold was a hero of the American Revolution being one of Washington's favorite generals.....until he went over to the British. There might be a statue of him around in the US somewhere but I don't know where it is.
     
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  7. paul1149

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    According to Wikipedia, it's there to honor those who defended Richmond and Virginia against Northern forces.
     
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  8. Archivist

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    Then why does Article III, section 3 of the US Constitution include the following:

    "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

    The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted."
     
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  9. civilwarbuff

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    Because secession does not necessarily have to involve any of those things.
     
  10. Archivist

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    Flawed logic? If you cannot be polite and avoid name calling please get out of this thread. People have become rude in far to many threads recently; I don't want that happening here.

    Trump apparently wants to put up a statue of Arnold at the White House: Trump demands statue of Benedict Arnold be built on White House lawn. To my knowledge the only current US statue that depicts him is a statue of his boot.
     
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  11. Archivist

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    No, it is treason.
     
  12. civilwarbuff

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    Trump demands statue of Benedict Arnold be built on White House lawn
    I encourage everyone to go to the above link and read the top 3 lines on the page....they are hillaryous.
     
  13. Archivist

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    Wikipedia does a better job explaining it than some of the articles I've read.
     
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    Read your history. Several states and sections had threatened secession long before the CW.
     
  16. Archivist

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    I know my history. You seem to have forgotten that when that was attempted President Andrew Jackson very quickly put a stop to it.

    President Andrew Jackson on Secession and Nullification
     
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    The Southerners believed they had the right to secede, and therefore treason by definition was inoperative to them. Even today, Civil War notwithstanding, there is still talk of various states seceding from the union.
     
  20. Archivist

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    As I already told Civilwarbuff in post 14, I posted it to be humorous.
     
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