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Link, she doesn't know anyone well enough at her church yet. She needs to talk to someone now, not in six months.

It takes a little work, but they could invite some people over for dinner.

Also, she said that this is not the first time that her husband has tried to fix things with flowers. It might sound mean to some of you, but with an ongoing issue, flowers or chocolates don't fix things.
How do you know he was trying to 'fix things.' Maybe he saw she was upset or depressed, and tried to cheer her up with flowers. Can we blame a man for trying to 'fix things' if he buys his wife flowers in this situation? If flowers ever put his wife in a good mood, you can't blame him for taking a stab in the dark to see if this will help alleviate the situation now.

What can he fix? I suppose he could try to be less clingy and more decisive. It's hard for someone to change deep seated issues in their personality that they don't even recognize as being a problem. The problem he can see is his wife's mood. At least he is trying something. He does an act of kindness, and then is treated with suspicion. Poor guy.

She is being very smart in taking responsibility for what she can do, and pursuing some means (counselling) to try to fix the rest of it. That's real fixing, not the kind you get at Wal Mart for $9.99.
I had a suspicion that the Walmart around here was overpriced.


Flowers as a band aid OR as manipulation just. doesn't. work. I have never heard of a man bringing his wife flowers to manipulate her into having sex. That would come under the heading of "ew" for me.
I thought that was called Valentine's day. :)

'Manipulation' is too strong of a word. Realistically, though, if a man who doesn't buy flowers all the time brings his wife flowers, how likely is it that he doesn't have some sort of hope that she'll be in a good mood and they can do something that evening? That's not necessarily some kind of evil manipulation, either. A husband could be trying to help his wife get into a good mood so she can enjoy the evening.
 
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I don't know how men think, Link, but I would hope that my husband would just bring me flowers because he loves me, and he knows that I like flowers. There are other names for the process by which one person buys items for another person so that they can have sex with them. That's the source of my "ew".

Link, inviting people over for dinner does not make them your friends. I don't know how it works in your world, but in mine it takes time to build the kind of relationships - and trust - where you can talk about your marriage in depth. Just launching into marital troubles with people you just met just doesn't seem to be appropriate to me. Maybe it's a cultural thing and I'm being British, but it takes me time to trust people and, from my experience and from people who have become my friends, it has taken time for them too. Maybe men do things differently also.

Also, the OP knows her husband, and there is a lot of weird stuff going on in his behavior. Given that she knows his track record and has lived with the manipulation, then she most likely knows him better than you or I, and so your "maybe's" don't really count. I mean, maybe he won the lottery. Maybe he's really the King of Bavaria. Maybe he went to the moon and ate blue cheese .. ya know?
 
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There is this woman on YouTube who makes videos that are designed to be 'Titus 2' videos for wives that address various issues like the ones you face. I am using a PC without sound right now, and I can't check out the audio on this particular video, but I think this video might be one of the ones that could be helpful with helping you face some of the stress that come from these things in your life through the word of God and prayer. You could also search her channel for other videos by clicking on her username if this isn't the right video.

Despairing Wife- There Is Hope For You! Part Three. - YouTube
 
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There is this woman on YouTube who makes videos that are designed to be 'Titus 2' videos for wives that address various issues like the ones you face. I am using a PC without sound right now, and I can't check out the audio on this particular video, but I think this video might be one of the ones that could be helpful with helping you face some of the stress that come from these things in your life through the word of God and prayer.
Wait. You can't hear what she's saying but you think she might help? Am I the only one that finds that strange?

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It's hard for someone to change deep seated issues in their personality that they don't even recognize as being a problem.

Yes I agree...and accepting flowers and pretending that makes it easeir to live with someone with deep seated personalility issues that they dont even realize is a problem is not helpful.Honesty is the ony thing that will ever even begin to help..Poor guy?Yep and POOR girl..

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Yes I agree...and accepting flowers and pretending that makes it easeir to live with someone with deep seated personalility issues that they dont even realize is a problem is not helpful.Honesty is the ony thing that will ever even begin to help..Poor guy?Yep and POOR girl..

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YES!!!!

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Trying to fix things with "stuff" is a non-starter.
 
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And for a person who is strongly in the passive category, someone who is merely strongly assertive can very definitely be perceived as being aggressive. That was the case with my wife and I.

Then the person that needs to make the adjustment is still the one that's *not* assertive. An assertive person is in the healthy realm. It doesn't make sense for them to ALSO become UNhealthy (passive)......that's called enabling.
 
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Wait. You can't hear what she's saying but you think she might help? Am I the only one that finds that strange?

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LOL!!No I find it quite odd too...I have no idea what this person is saying but I would bet its helpful..LOL!!!:D

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Then the person that needs to make the adjustment is still the one that's *not* assertive. An assertive person is in the healthy realm. It doesn't make sense for them to ALSO become UNhealthy (passive)......that's called enabling.

I agree....beign "merely strngly assertive' is not a personality defect..

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I don't know how men think, Link, but I would hope that my husband would just bring me flowers because he loves me, and he knows that I like flowers. There are other names for the process by which one person buys items for another person so that they can have sex with them. That's the source of my "ew".

I suppose you could look at it like that. But if you put some effort into it, you can argue just about anyone's marital sex is prostitution. Feminists have argued that if a man supports his wife, and has sex with her, she is a prostitute, and junk like that.

If a couple are going to have their anniversary celebration one night, and the man has in mind various things to do to make the night special, including some physical intimate activity in the evening, and he puts rose petals on the bed--knowing she likes flowers, takes her to dinner, etc. that isn't prostitution. It's just creating an atmosphere for an enjoyable experience.

Link, inviting people over for dinner does not make them your friends. I don't know how it works in your world, but in mine it takes time to build the kind of relationships - and trust - where you can talk about your marriage in depth.

I wasn't thinking about talking about marital issues right off the bat. She feels cut off from friends and stressed out. She might not be as stressed out if she had more friends around her, and if her husband had some guys to hang out with to hunt, fish, watch sports, play video games, or whatever with instead of being so clingy all the time. Having people over for dinner can be the start of a friendship.

Just launching into marital troubles with people you just met just doesn't seem to be appropriate to me. Maybe it's a cultural thing and I'm being British, but it takes me time to trust people and, from my experience and from people who have become my friends, it has taken time for them too. Maybe men do things differently also.

My wife and I have had people launch into marital troubles after meeting us two or three times. They alluded to some issues during that first dinner when we invited them to dinner after church. We saw them several months later, and they opened up about some serious problems. I believe the Lord was behind, this, though.

It started with inviting them to dinner.

Also, the OP knows her husband, and there is a lot of weird stuff going on in his behavior. Given that she knows his track record and has lived with the manipulation, then she most likely knows him better than you or I, and so your "maybe's" don't really count.

A lot of weird stuff? He's clingy, does what she wants most of the time and doesn't make decisions. His mother isn't nice to her. Sure, he's got issues and areas for improvement like everybody else, but he doesn't seem all that weird based on what she's shared. Maybe I missed a few posts. It sounds like he is a decent responsible guy who loves his wife and has some areas he needs to grow in.
 
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Wait. You can't hear what she's saying but you think she might help? Am I the only one that finds that strange?

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I've listened to several of her videos, and I don't know if this is the right one or not because I don't have sound on, but it will give her a way to search the channel.
 
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I suppose you could look at it like that. But if you put some effort into it, you can argue just about anyone's marital sex is prostitution. Feminists have argued that if a man supports his wife, and has sex with her, she is a prostitute, and junk like that.
Well you will have to speak for yourself, because I don't consider sex between a married couple to be prostitution, but buying something "persuasive" is ew, that's the only word for it.

If a couple are going to have their anniversary celebration one night, and the man has in mind various things to do to make the night special, including some physical intimate activity in the evening, and he puts rose petals on the bed--knowing she likes flowers, takes her to dinner, etc. that isn't prostitution. It's just creating an atmosphere for an enjoyable experience.
But this is completely different to what you said before, which was that a husband might bring a wife flowers so that he can manipulate her into sex. Now it's become an "atmosphere" he is creating. And an anniversary - once a year. She's talking about something very, very different than this.

I wasn't thinking about talking about marital issues right off the bat. She feels cut off from friends and stressed out. She might not be as stressed out if she had more friends around her, and if her husband had some guys to hang out with to hunt, fish, watch sports, play video games, or whatever with instead of being so clingy all the time. Having people over for dinner can be the start of a friendship.

My wife and I have had people launch into marital troubles after meeting us two or three times. They alluded to some issues during that first dinner when we invited them to dinner after church. We saw them several months later, and they opened up about some serious problems. I believe the Lord was behind, this, though.
Okay, they "alluded" and "several months later .. they opened up". So not immediately, right. That's my point.

A lot of weird stuff? He's clingy, does what she wants most of the time and doesn't make decisions. His mother isn't nice to her. Sure, he's got issues and areas for improvement like everybody else, but he doesn't seem all that weird based on what she's shared. Maybe I missed a few posts. It sounds like he is a decent responsible guy who loves his wife and has some areas he needs to grow in.
Really? Maybe we're reading different threads. His mother is a lot more than "not nice to her". Her MIL is a dangerous person to have around their child - something that her husband just isn't getting. You have to read the whole thread, Link. You can't skim and then it doesn't sound like a big deal because you didn't read it all.
 
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I think I like "assertive" much more than "aggressive". I feel like I'm aggressive sometimes though, because I have so much pent up anger inside of me now. I broke 3 coffee mugs because I don't know what to do with all of this frustration. My husband even used THAT as an excuse to BLAME me for not opening up to me! He said that he's too afraid that he'll throw me into a "fit of rage", so he makes some kind of rational decision that I can't handle whatever he might have to say. I'm too "unstable" to handle his feelings, so naturally he withholds them, and that's my fault, according to him. He's never once seen me get angry, and he's certainly never seen a "fit of rage" come from me. The only reason I am even in any kind of "unstable" state right now is BECAUSE of him!!! Grrrrrrrrrrrr.

If he saw you break mugs in anger, that would be enough reason to try to tread lightly. It sounds like he hasn't seen that, but if you are either seething or frustrated under the surface, he can probably pick up on that.

If I could tell my wife was angry or upset about something (especially within several months after childbirth), I just might decide not to talk about heavy topics or discuss my feelings until she seemed to be in a better mood. Post partum blues hit my wife pretty hard the first time-- that, coupled with the lack of sleep from a new baby, staying with in-laws for a while, living in a foreign country (for her) out in the country when she'd been in the city, having to make new friends, and my being unemployed was a lot of stress for her. I guess we hadn't anticipated the stress involved when we moved back to the US to have our first child. We were both very willing to make the move, and I sure didn't know anything about post-partum blues or depression, and I don't think she did either. You don't know what it is like before you go through it, either experiencing it first hand, or experiencing what it is like to be the husband.

For a while there, it seemed like she'd just sit around thinking how bad things were, thinking of things that were wrong with me, and thinking too deeply about the motives behind others' motives or actions. It was easy to hurt her feelings or make her upset just talking with her, over basically nothing. Eventually she snapped out of it. After the next child was born, I was hesitant to talk too deeply about certain topics with her, probably too much so.

When my wife was like that, she thought she was upset because of me. I didn't feel like I'd done anything to her except have a conversation with her, and suddenly I was the bad guy in her eyes. Fortunately, as far as I can tell, post partum blues didn't seem to hit as hard with the other children. It wasn't accompanied by the same degree of culture shock of living in a new country (the first time it hits hardest) and lots of time with her in-laws with our other children, either.

At times, it sure seemed like she blamed me for her feelings. She had all this hormonal stuff going on and stress, and I say, hey honey, why don't we let my parents see the baby for more than a few minutes a day, and she'd up crying and going on and on about how I was torturing her emotionally over that. She didn't seem very rational. Anything bad she felt was my fault in her mind at the time. It's a tough situation to be with as a husband. You don't know how to comfort her or make her feel better.

Your husband is not responsible for your feelings. He's only responsible for his own actions. If you blame him for your feelings, he'll pick up on that, and he'll be very careful, maybe too careful, what he shares with you. He may buy you flowers to try to cheer you up, hoping that will fix things, or at least make them better. It's hard to stop having feelings like this, but you can 'bring every thought captive to the obedience of Christ' by the word of God. You need to be aware if you are thinking of him in a very negative manner, attributing negative motives to his actions (like bringing flowers) and other things like that.

Try to think good thoughts about your husband, pray for him, give thanks to God for him, and pray for the Lord to help with his weaknesses and faults. if you have a young baby, now is a time where you would want people you know to come offer to help you. But since you are far away from them, you and your husband will have to make an effort to get involved in activities where you can meet people, some of them believers who can speak good things into your life and encourage you. It would be good for him if you eventually had some friends around you to talk to about your feelings instead of only talking to him about them, especially if he feels like you blame him for feeling the way you do.
 
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Then the person that needs to make the adjustment is still the one that's *not* assertive. An assertive person is in the healthy realm. It doesn't make sense for them to ALSO become UNhealthy (passive)......that's called enabling.

No they BOTH need to make adjustments. Not to the point of being less assertive, but very slight changes in how things are put can make a world of difference.A slight "softening". It's called accomodating your spouse's personality and everyone needs to do it. At the same time the more passive person needs to learn to "toughen up" a little and not perceive agression where it's not present. But in a case like the OP appears to be, simply telling him to step up, to be less passive will get you exactly nowhere.
 
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If he saw you break mugs in anger, that would be enough reason to try to tread lightly.

Exactly. If a man were to do that, or punch a wall in anger, nearly everyone here would be calling it abuse or at the very least abusive. Why is it different this time?
 
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But this is completely different to what you said before, which was that a husband might bring a wife flowers so that he can manipulate her into sex. Now it's become an "atmosphere" he is creating. And an anniversary - once a year. She's talking about something very, very different than this.

No, it's consistent with what I wrote before.

I wrote,
If a man comes home with flowers for his wife and he wants to 'manipulate' her into something, it's probably love-making. Since husbands and wives should be doing that anyway, if that's manipulation, maybe you should just let it slide. Hopefully, it's a blessing and a lot of fun for the one being 'manipulated', anyway. He may have bought the flowers because you seemed to be bummed about the way life was going, and he wanted to cheer you up. Instead of having in mind that he wanted to manipulate you, maybe he was just hoping to change your mood.

Notice, manipulate is in quotes. The point of my message is not to assume bringing flowers is manipulation.

Manipulation has a very negative connotation. If a man brings his wife flowers, he wants to 'change' something. He may just want to make her feel happy and feel more loved. That's not a bad thing.
 
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No they BOTH need to make adjustments. Not to the point of being less assertive, but very slight changes in how things are put can make a world of difference.A slight "softening". It's called accomodating your spouse's personality and everyone needs to do it. At the same time the more passive person needs to learn to "toughen up" a little and not perceive agression where it's not present. But in a case like the OP appears to be, simply telling him to step up, to be less passive will get you exactly nowhere.

I haven't noticed where DesMom is really directing her thoughts towards him changing (or that any posts have said he needs to hear, "step up").......to me, it seems to be more about what she CAN do to maintain her own sanity....and to be able to thrive (expecting things are basically going to remain the same with him---or at least preparing for the worse--that he doesn't ever change).
 
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Exactly. If a man were to do that, or punch a wall in anger, nearly everyone here would be calling it abuse or at the very least abusive. Why is it different this time?

I wouldn't. On it's own, that's frustration. I have the same set of standards for men and women alike.
 
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