Starting to get into Precision .22 shooting...

[AlexB23]

There is something for every purpose and every rifle has a sweet spot.

Ahh, the fact that different rifles have different purposes reminds me of a verse that relates to how humans have different specialties. We all have our strengths and weaknesses, and different purposes to serve God.

Romans 12:4-8 (NIV): "For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith; if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully."

 

[AlexB23]

In Canada, the military puts out tenders specking out the ammo; Police forces have more discretion. RCMP being federal may also do the tender thing. Canadian military snipers often load their own ammo to suit their rifles; staying in spec tolerance.

That is pretty cool. Doesn't Canada not fight in many wars, cos Canadians are peaceful? Also, how does a tender work? I know nothing about how a military works, except that companies can be contracted to design products for the military (at least in the US and in the dozens of Europe Union countries). Wait, your police service is nationalized? In the US, our police services are state (for highways), county and city level. Heck, even the US universities may have their own police service.

Also, does the Canadian military pay for their sniper's ammo that the sniper has selected, as long as the ammo fits inside the gun snugly (as in being in spec)?

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[Unqualified]

Mark, you are in a good mood! Thanks for writing a lot of helpful info. I like casting and lubing bullets. I like reloading too. But shooting is getting difficult. That 9.3 sounds heavy duty. I have chosen to go with low recoil. 6.5, and 45-70 black powder loads. These I can handle. I like cast because I can make them, little skill. I can sell them too. It would be cool to get a class 3 ffl license, make ammo and sell. But it would have to be premium.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

That is pretty cool. Doesn't Canada not fight in many wars, cos Canadians are peaceful? Also, how does a tender work? I know nothing about how a military works, except that companies can be contracted to design products for the military (at least in the US and in the dozens of Europe Union countries). Wait, your police service is nationalized? In the US, our police services are state (for highways), county and city level. Heck, even the US universities may have their own police service.

Also, does the Canadian military pay for their sniper's ammo that the sniper has selected, as long as the ammo fits inside the gun snugly (as in being in spec)?

University of Wisconsin Police logo
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Royal Canadian Mounted Police are federal like the FBI but do contract out to police various provinces that do not have a "Provincial" force. Provincial forces like our Ontario Provincial Police can contract out their services to smaller municipalities as well.

OPP would be like State Police. My small city has it's own force, but contracts out to other small towns in the area that don't have their own cops.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Ammo used in battle or peackeeing assignments are all paid for.

A tender is a call for quotes to fulfill a specific contract. It is an open call to bid on a contract. Various things are considered before the contract is awarded; can they deliver on time, can they produce within the tolerances specified, are they financially viable enough to complete the contract, how economically can they deliver (price per unit of the duration of the contract) can the pivot if requirements change during the term of the contract; if need arises, can they increase the contract scope if required; what would be to process for a change request. ETC.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Mark, you are in a good mood! Thanks for writing a lot of helpful info. I like casting and lubing bullets. I like reloading too. But shooting is getting difficult. That 9.3 sounds heavy duty. I have chosen to go with low recoil. 6.5, and 45-70 black powder loads. These I can handle. I like cast because I can make them, little skill. I can sell them too. It would be cool to get a class 3 ffl license, make ammo and sell. But it would have to be premium.

Premium in both quality and price. Unfortunately, we can't go to IMR here in Canada and order 2000 tons of custom powder for cheap, or federal and by 100 million large rifle primers at a fraction of a penny each like General Dynamics can. LOL. We have to buy retail and sell retail. Not as bad as farming, they buy every input retail, and sell everything wholesale. LOL

 

[AlexB23]

Royal Canadian Mounted Police are federal like the FBI but do contract out to police various provinces that do not have a "Provincial" force. Provincial forces like our Ontario Provincial Police can contract out their services to smaller municipalities as well.

OPP would be like State Police. My small city has it's own force, but contracts out to other small towns in the area that don't have their own cops.

Wow, that is interesting. So, RCMP = FBI, and OPP = Wisconsin State Patrol. It is very generous of your town to contract officers to other towns that lack cops. Goes to show how polite Canadians are, helping each other out. Your country is pretty cool, and I admire Canada, the parliamentary system (except for their current politician), and the fact that you guys have the band Rush and Tom Cochrane (original singer of Life is a Highway).

Do you like Canada as well, or does it have too many regulations, say when obtaining a hunting permit? I do not care to hunt or shoot, but I do hope that the gun regulations are fair and balanced, but not too lax either.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Wow, that is interesting. So, RCMP = FBI, and OPP = Wisconsin State Patrol. It is very generous of your town to contract officers to other towns that lack cops. Goes to show how polite Canadians are, helping each other out. Your country is pretty cool, and I admire Canada, the parliamentary system (except for their current politician), and the fact that you guys have the band Rush and Tom Cochrane (original singer of Life is a Highway).

Do you like Canada as well, or does it have too many regulations, say when obtaining a hunting permit? I do not care to hunt or shoot, but I do hope that the gun regulations are fair and balanced, but not too lax either.

Could be better; could be worse.

 

[AlexB23]

Could be better; could be worse.

That is true with anything in life. We could be living during the oppression of the Roman era in Israel, or living in Europe with WWII. You and I are blessed to be living in 2024 in North America. So yes, it could be worse, or it could be better.

 

[The Liturgist]

I have been building up a rifle based on a CZ455 Super Match with a MDT Oryx Chassis, a Riton 6 x24 scope, a custom made bag rider built by a guy in Quebec Canada., and a cheap Amazon Carbon Fiber Bipod. I have done a trigger job on it and it is currently about 1 lb, but drop-safe. Very satisfying Keeping everything in groups less than 2" and occasionally less than 1".

Future upgrades I am considering is a heavy barrel, extended bolt handle with tactical knob, and If I start shooting out to 200, a 10 or 20 MOA rail.

We shoot our "Canadian GunNutz .22 100 yard Challenge. The official target is 8.5 x 11 with 4 targets, upper right is for sighting/fowling/cold shots. We fire 10 shots at each of the other three, and measure the groups from centre to centre. The target below was shot with CCI Std Velocity. Best group that day was 1.320".

I'm starting to work with some ammo a bit more expensive, but am waiting for our range to reopen following some welcome upgrades!

Anyone else doing this type of shooting?

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Woah that’s some good marksmanship.

 

[The Liturgist]

My small city has it's own force, but contracts out to other small towns in the area that don't have their own cops.

In the US, Sheriffs Departments will do that, but I’ve never heard of one municipal PD providing service to another municipality on contract. However when it comes to transit agencies, that is an exception - the LAMTA MetroRail in the 1990s up through 2001 contracted with LAPD, and then contracted with the county sheriff from that point forward. Other transit agencies have their own police.

Sometimes the number of police forces in an area can be massive. For example, 15 years ago, LA had the County Police (LACOPS) who patrolled county parks, county hospitals, etc, and which were merged into the Sheriffs Department around 2010, and likewise there was the Los Angeles General Services Police, which had cars that looked similar to LAPD, but were all white, rather than black and white, and they patrolled the area around city hall, city government buildings like the Library, and city parks such as MacArthur Park, and they were merged back into LAPD. The Airport Police were spun off from LAPD and remain independent, since Los Angeles World Airports operates multiple airports in addition to LAX, some of them in different cities like Burbank and Long Beach. Finally, there is the LA Unified School District Police, which exists because the USD serves multiple cities throughout the County of Los Angeles.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Sheriffs aren’t a major part of law enforcement in Canada? Although the US has some counties with weak sheriffs who only provide limited judicial services, mainly in urban areas, but there are some counties where the main county police is a County Police Department, much like the York Regional Police in suburban Toronto.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Woah that’s some good marksmanship.

No, not so much; just a very good rifle.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

In the US, Sheriffs Departments will do that, but I’ve never heard of one municipal PD providing service to another municipality on contract. However when it comes to transit agencies, that is an exception - the LAMTA MetroRail in the 1990s up through 2001 contracted with LAPD, and then contracted with the county sheriff from that point forward. Other transit agencies have their own police.

Sometimes the number of police forces in an area can be massive. For example, 15 years ago, LA had the County Police (LACOPS) who patrolled county parks, county hospitals, etc, and which were merged into the Sheriffs Department around 2010, and likewise there was the Los Angeles General Services Police, which had cars that looked similar to LAPD, but were all white, rather than black and white, and they patrolled the area around city hall, city government buildings like the Library, and city parks such as MacArthur Park, and they were merged back into LAPD. The Airport Police were spun off from LAPD and remain independent, since Los Angeles World Airports operates multiple airports in addition to LAX, some of them in different cities like Burbank and Long Beach. Finally, there is the LA Unified School District Police, which exists because the USD serves multiple cities throughout the County of Los Angeles.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Sheriffs aren’t a major part of law enforcement in Canada? Although the US has some counties with weak sheriffs who only provide limited judicial services, mainly in urban areas, but there are some counties where the main county police is a County Police Department, much like the York Regional Police in suburban Toronto.

I can't speak for other provinces, but in Ontario the office of Sheriff is the administration of provincial Justice. At one time, every county had one. They administered the day to day administration and management of the Law Courts, jails, and the execution of Court orders and sentences; and their deputies served as Bailiffs. While this may still be the case in some jurisdictions, it is not the case everywhere.

I had dealings with the Sheriff recently to execute an eviction order against a former tenant of ours. Once the order was issued by the Tribunal, I had to wait 15 days for them to comply; when they did not I was able to contract the Sheriff's office to execute the order. On the day and time agreed upon they showed up fully armed and in body armor with a warrant to evict. They told my wife and I to stand back and watch. NO Bee Ess. Took less than a 1/2 hour to get her and 5 men in various states of undress out of the building. Both the guys were ex OPP officers.

A wonder to behold.

It was like having an abscessed tumor removed. Praise God!!

 

[The Liturgist]

I can't speak for other provinces, but in Ontario the office of Sheriff is the administration of provincial Justice. At one time, every county had one. They administered the day to day administration and management of the Law Courts, jails, and the execution of Court orders and sentences; and their deputies served as Bailiffs. While this may still be the case in some jurisdictions, it is not the case everywhere.

I had dealings with the Sheriff recently to execute an eviction order against a former tenant of ours. Once the order was issued by the Tribunal, I had to wait 15 days for them to comply; when they did not I was able to contract the Sheriff's office to execute the order. On the day and time agreed upon they showed up fully armed and in body armor with a warrant to evict. They told my wife and I to stand back and watch. NO Bee Ess. Took less than a 1/2 hour to get her and 5 men in various states of undress out of the building. Both the guys were ex OPP officers.

A wonder to behold.

It was like having an abscessed tumor removed. Praise God!!

In the US most Sheriffs, or in some cities, City Marshals, do that. This applies even to Sheriffs Departments which are not “full service” providing policing in the unincorporated areas of a county and in cities which don’t want to spend money on their own PD. In my county, three of the largest cities and one smaller city have their own police department, and everything else is operated by the Sheriffs under contract. Its weird when a smaller city has its own police department, and a larger city does not.

However, civil service, courthouse security and operating the jails is all some sheriffs departments do. Sometimes not even that much. I think the New York City Sheriff just does civil process and judgement services, except in public housing where there is, if I recall, a separate Housing Authority Police.

 

[The Liturgist]

It is very generous of your town to contract officers to other towns that lack cops. Goes to show how polite Canadians are, helping each other out.

I feel obliged to point out that what they are doing is directly equivalent to what we do in the US where small towns (for example, Malibu, which is threatened by the wildfires in Los Angeles, and Pacific Palisades and Calabasas and other smaller cities in LA county) contract out to the county sheriff if they don’t want to run their own police department. Otherwise even a full service sheriff’s office only has jurisdiction in unincorporated areas. Also in some states there are county police instead of or in addition to the Sheriff, and in Canada, there are equivalent Regional Police services like the York Regional Police. In the US, for legal reasons, in some states, it might be easier to contract with the Sheriff than with another city, which is usually quite a different jurisidiction which might have its own considerable legal differences*, to provide police services.

*For example, in the State of Nevada, prostitution is legal, but it is illegal in Clark County, and within Clark County, gambling is illegal in Boulder City but legal most everywhere else.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

In the US most Sheriffs, or in some cities, City Marshals, do that. This applies even to Sheriffs Departments which are not “full service” providing policing in the unincorporated areas of a county and in cities which don’t want to spend money on their own PD. In my county, three of the largest cities and one smaller city have their own police department, and everything else is operated by the Sheriffs under contract. Its weird when a smaller city has its own police department, and a larger city does not.

However, civil service, courthouse security and operating the jails is all some sheriffs departments do. Sometimes not even that much. I think the New York City Sheriff just does civil process and judgement services, except in public housing where there is, if I recall, a separate Housing Authority Police.

There was a woman in our Congregation who recently died at a very advanced age. Right out of High School she got a job as a Deputy Sherriff in the County of perth, and her main duties were as a Bailiff at the Perth County Court House. Another responsibility was to witness and sign documents verifying the completion of sentences, including executions. She witnessed the last hanging in Perth County at the Stratford Jail. Both the Jail and the Court House are still in use today:

 

[Unqualified]

All spring before you can shoot your 22.?

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

All spring before you can shoot your 22.?

I'm old, I need warmer weather, and the range is a swamp right now. Time is getting near to get the rifles out again. Still shooting indoors.

 

[Unqualified]

I'm old, I need warmer weather, and the range is a swamp right now. Time is getting near to get the rifles out again. Still shooting indoors.

I hear that. Over 50 for me. No snow this year.. you need solid ground too.ha. So you have winter and summer as far as the thaw.

I have trouble reading sometimes but I just throw on the 3.0 s and I’m fine for a while. That’s a long wait between hobby seasons. Ah yes it’s sure the Canadian people are very patient’. In Irish brogue. We had a warmer that usual winter, still a bit cold but scary. 80 one day next week. Not uncommon, but expecting a warm spring and summer. You know it hits 118 most years in Kansas early on. The beginning of sorrows. Anyway hope it warms up a little early for ya.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

I hear that. Over 50 for me. No snow this year.. you need solid ground too.ha. So you have winter and summer as far as the thaw.

I have trouble reading sometimes but I just throw on the 3.0 s and I’m fine for a while. That’s a long wait between hobby seasons. Ah yes it’s sure the Canadian people are very patient’. In Irish brogue. We had a warmer that usual winter, still a bit cold but scary. 80 one day next week. Not uncommon, but expecting a warm spring and summer. You know it hits 118 most years in Kansas early on. The beginning of sorrows. Anyway hope it warms up a little early for ya.

Lovely day today, 16 degrees C, going up to 18; down to 9 overnight.