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How hot is hell? Any hints in the Bible?

What has hell to do with the inner earth at the moment??? Besides "outer darkness" does not need to be hot. The lake of fire is another matter. That is for the real stinkers. Seems to me that desire unfulfilled is one instance of burning.

Are there temperature limits for spiritual trees in the Bible? Do you know the cooking temperature of spiritually juicy spiritual fruits? Did Jesus gave rules for behaviour in cold climates? No.
Who said we cook fruit? Who said it was to be hellish heat where trees of paradise grow??? No one. New Jerusalem is not spiritual (only)! It houses Jesus, that has a physical also body, and believers, which also do! We need no heat of the sun, and we all know how warm this earth gets from the sun. People still live here! So do trees. Work with that.

You want to ignore "physical only" evidence. Fine. Do so. But then don´t turn around and use it to justify your stories.
In no way do I ignore anything ever, in the least way. Show us your physical only evidence, and where it is known to apply..!!
 
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What has hell to do with the inner earth at the moment???
You brought up Hell when you asked whether "the garden" was as hot as hell. Well, how hot is hell?

Who said we cook fruit? Who said it was to be hellish heat where trees of paradise grow??? No one. New Jerusalem is not spiritual (only)! It houses Jesus, that has a physical also body, and believers, which also do! We need no heat of the sun, and we all know how warm this earth gets from the sun. People still live here! So do trees. Work with that.

In no way do I ignore anything ever, in the least way. Show us your physical only evidence, and where it is known to apply..!!
You can´t wiggle out of that, Mr. Undefeated! You were already shown the "physical only" evidence. You were already shown were it applies. You waved it away by insisting that the area of interest - the core of the earth - was not "physical only" and so "physical only" evidence would not apply there.

Ok.

But now you make new statements that are based on "physical only" evidence. "PO" trees do not withstand massive heat. Nor do "PO" bodies. But we are not dealing with "PO" here... were are explicitly including the "spiritual".

So where do you get the informations about the behaviour of "physical-spiritual" objects in hot enviroments? Not from the Bible. You make it up.

Physical only evidence shows us that the core of the earth is a hot ball of (mostly) iron. You insist that it is a spiritual diamond. Fine. Spiritual diamonds behave like hot balls of (mostly) iron when observed with physical only means. Obviously. Or else we would not make such observations.

And in the same way the streets of New Jerusalem are covered with gold. It is brown, squishy and smells... but that is just the way spiritual gold behaves.

I know this. Based on the same way that you know your "facts"... I make them up.

I say it, that settles it. Everyone else can take a hike (which is said to be good for your health).
 
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---editted out dad-blather--

Yawn.

As I said, who cares what you think about the interior of the earth?

Do you say the same thing to doctors when they do an x-ray on you? Or do you just immediately ask the doctor to cut you open so he can "see" it with visible light? Are you familiar with ultrasound? Or do you demand all women to get their uterii cut open to take a look at the fetus as it gestates?

Too bad your God can only deal in the visible electromagnetic spectrum. There's a lot more to see in the universe if you use everything available.

But I can understand how a "simple" kind of God with a minimal understanding of science would be appealing to some folks.
 
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love that iggy function

It is useful, but I find it a shame to waste such comedy gold. Why ignore the postings when you can instead make them infinitely more entertaining (and unsurprisingly, not a whit less valid) with the strategic introduction of cheese?
 
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What you fail to comprehend is that I have a fantastic bible base. The sort of raw power that those that know the bible somewhat would either have no reason to differ, or would not dare, because they would get blasted out of the water.
That's the joke, dad. You have no bible base for any of this nonsense. Yet, it is still "God's Infallible Word," right, Blasphemer?

The eternal creation of God, and spirits down under are anything but silly, save in the minds of the carnal minded.
This from the guy who expects Marilyn Monroe to be waiting for him in The New Jeruselem, for some wholesome fornication.

So, not only is the pre-Split past non Physical-Only, but also the Present State core of the earth. How about the sky and the stars? Are not the Heavens also "spiritual?" Maybe the sun is not as big as in-the-box astronomers tell us? Afterall, they ae using physical-only instruments to estimate its size. Maybe it is only the size of a baseball field. So we have been lied to again. Good to know! :wave:
 
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It is useful, but I find it a shame to waste such comedy gold. Why ignore the postings when you can instead make them infinitely more entertaining (and unsurprisingly, not a whit less valid) with the strategic introduction of cheese?

Please stop. My funny bone is really hurting from laughing too hard.
 
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It is useful, but I find it a shame to waste such comedy gold. Why ignore the postings when you can instead make them infinitely more entertaining (and unsurprisingly, not a whit less valid) with the strategic introduction of cheese?


More than enough shows up in other people's postings. Its just the same one-note tune anyway.
 
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Please stop. My funny bone is really hurting from laughing too hard.

Well, all humor aside, I hope we've all learned that spiritual science is utterly indistinguishable from a cheese fetish. What does that say about its adherents? (The spiritual scientists, not the fetishists).
 
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You brought up Hell when you asked whether "the garden" was as hot as hell. Well, how hot is hell?

Far as I am aware it does not exist yet. The lake of fire, that is. The spirits in prison down there do exist.


You can´t wiggle out of that, Mr. Undefeated! You were already shown the "physical only" evidence. You were already shown were it applies. You waved it away by insisting that the area of interest - the core of the earth - was not "physical only" and so "physical only" evidence would not apply there.
Utter nonsense. No one proved that the inner earth was not also spiritual. All that was done so far, is to show, IF it were, how it woulda shoulda coulda would fall under surface rules. By the same token, it it were not, it doesn't. The bible indicates it doesn't. Science has no idea. If it did, why would we be talking, and you not providing it??


But now you make new statements that are based on "physical only" evidence. "PO" trees do not withstand massive heat. Nor do "PO" bodies. But we are not dealing with "PO" here... were are explicitly including the "spiritual".
Jesus ate and drank right here. Adam ate from the tree of life, and there is a tree of life in New Jerusalem. There is no reason to assume weird and hellish temperatures. The issue is not what a spirit also forever body could take.

So where do you get the informations about the behaviour of "physical-spiritual" objects in hot enviroments? Not from the Bible. You make it up.
Not at all. The eternal state will see the earth and sun and etc last forever. It can't in this state. Also, we have seen where the tree of life with fruits was planted ..on earth. People ate the fruits of trees, and animals. There is no record of early man or creatures in general living in hellish climes. On the contrary. Go with the evidence. It beats making stuff up.

Physical only evidence shows us that the core of the earth is a hot ball of (mostly) iron.
No, only the imaginary application of surface based evidence to the unknown does that. In reality no one was there, or knows. It has simply been assumed, and theories slapped and welded together on what 'must' be going on down there according to the laws of the temporal state. Nothing more.

You insist that it is a spiritual diamond. Fine. Spiritual diamonds behave like hot balls of (mostly) iron when observed with physical only means. Obviously. Or else we would not make such observations.
No, I have no idea what is down there. I simply know the Designer, and His other works, and habits, and budget. Mentally projecting hot dirt down there is an excercise in vanity.

And in the same way the streets of New Jerusalem are covered with gold. It is brown, squishy and smells... but that is just the way spiritual gold behaves.
New Jerusalem is not spiritual only. So, even if you had a clue how the spiritual reacted, it would not matter. Jesus had a real body when He rose from the dead. Still had the marks. He ate, and etc. AAs He said , something like 'a spirit hath not flesh and bone, as ye see I have'

What we are talking about is real materials. Spritually infused. Merged, if you will. Both. Not physical only. Not spiritual only. The result is very very pleasant indeed. Not scary and hellishly hot as you seem to think, for no reason.


I say it, that settles it. Everyone else can take a hike (which is said to be good for your health).

Your opinion actually is not a major player in the science/creation debate, unless it has support, evidence, and basis. What the bible says rocks. It matters. What science says, in it's weak and limited little way serves merely to confirm it. Except the falsely called science stuff of dark dreams. We need to separate fact from fiction here.
 
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Well, all humor aside, I hope we've all learned that spiritual science is utterly indistinguishable from ....

Thanks for admitting you have a problem distinguishing things spiritual. I suspected as much. So does science, in fact it is blind and deaf to anything but the physical only.

Far be it from me to begrudge them playing in the limited sandbox that they do have, though.

Long as they behave, and don't toss out sand at us, or claim that the whole world is made of sand also. They need to stick to their expertise..:)
 
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Yawn.

As I said, who cares what you think about the interior of the earth?

Do you say the same thing to doctors when they do an x-ray on you? Or do you just immediately ask the doctor to cut you open so he can "see" it with visible light? Are you familiar with ultrasound? Or do you demand all women to get their uterii cut open to take a look at the fetus as it gestates?

Too bad your God can only deal in the visible electromagnetic spectrum. There's a lot more to see in the universe if you use everything available.

But I can understand how a "simple" kind of God with a minimal understanding of science would be appealing to some folks.
Ho hum

The core of the planet is not bones, 10 feet from an x ray machine. Neither are seismic waves exactly a cat scan. They travel thousands of miles, and all that we do is look how the bounce, and presume it hit something we are familiar with!

If they hit a spiritual also eternal material on the way, we would not know it. Everything is based on stabbing in the dark, and supposing, and assuming. The results rest on the same state foundation of man. The earth rests on the forever foundations of God. Xrays can't change that. Nor sound waves. We need to look at what is actually KNOWN.
 
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No, I have no idea what is down there. I simply know the Designer, and His other works, and habits, and budget. Mentally projecting hot dirt down there is an excercise in vanity.
Well, it seems you DO have an idea. Lot´s of ideas in fact. You don´t know what it is... but you are 100% certain that is not hot iron, because of course the creator would not use hot iron as the core of a planet.

The result is very very pleasant indeed. Not scary and hellishly hot as you seem to think, for no reason.
And why would he not use hot iron? Because dad thinks that it is not pleasant, but scary and hellishly hot.

Well, I ask you again, for the third time: how hot is Hell? You do use this phrase, but without content it is useless. 25°C? 50°C? 2000°C? (Yes, pardon me, I am european, so I use an intelligent system like Celsius, not that wierd Fahrenheit stuff.)

You base your ideas on what you see and sense. Now. In this physical "only" reality.
Yet, if it pleases you (or rather, displeases you), you ignore these senses in favour of "Oh, physical only cannot make statements about spiritual / merged matter. Prove that this isn´t so!".

Well, I cannot prove it. But neither can you. I cannot make any statement (or rather, any statement that I like) about spiritual / merged things, based on my experiences of the "physical only surface imaginary" now.

And neither can you.

So if Jesus spiritual / merged body thinks a temperature of 15000°C is quite the spiff... then it will be so. Regardless of what YOU think is scary.
 
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Ho hum

The core of the planet is not bones, 10 feet from an x ray machine. Neither are seismic waves exactly a cat scan. They travel thousands of miles, and all that we do is look how the bounce, and presume it hit something we are familiar with!

If they hit a cheesy also aged material on the way, we would not know it. Everything is based on stabbing in the dark, and supposing, and assuming. The results rest on the same state foundation of man. The earth rests on the forever foundations of Captain Miller. Xrays can't change that. Nor sound waves. We need to look at what is actually KNOWN.

please continue.
 
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If they hit a spiritual also eternal material on the way, we would not know it.

So, all this "spiritual talk" I hear religious people talk about is about something....they don't even understand or know about????

Spiritual talk is all just blather? Is that what you are telling me?

Good to know! I'll remember that.

Everything is based on stabbing in the dark, and supposing, and assuming.

I always thought people who had religious conviction had a reason to have it. I guess that's not every religious person, huh?

(At least we all know what "cheese" is!)
 
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That's the joke, dad. You have no bible base for any of this nonsense. Yet, it is still "God's Infallible Word," right, Blasphemer?
The joke isn't on me though. Jesus did go down, and there are spirits down there. If your grasp of bible is that weak you don't know it, you better study up.


This from the guy who expects Marilyn Monroe to be waiting for him in The New Jeruselem, for some wholesome fornication.
No, actually, alas. But I do believe there will be sex in heaven. ..Now, if I was single at the time, and she was there...:)

So, not only is the pre-Split past non Physical-Only, but also the Present State core of the earth. How about the sky and the stars? Are not the Heavens also "spiritual?" Maybe the sun is not as big as in-the-box astronomers tell us? Afterall, they ae using physical-only instruments to estimate its size. Maybe it is only the size of a baseball field. So we have been lied to again. Good to know! :wave:
The short answer is they do not know. I assume that the inner earth is an exception to the rule of a changed universe. But I will admit that I no longer accept claims that the universe is homogeneous, without proof. Having looked at SN 18987a fairly closely, I can see that the whole so called science of astronomy, and cosmology, is pretty weak. But I still assume for now in a changed universe state, at least the universe of man. But that is subject to evidence.

As for the inner earth, science is so ignorant on it, and admits it, by and large, that when the bible light is shone on their fables, they really look silly, and weak.
 
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