Spiritual Core

[dad]

So how do people like you fit into that mold, Dad?

If I was in heaven, I'd let you know. Meanwhile, we are in the sin state here, I haven't met the perfect folks yet. Nor become one.

 

[dad]

Unfortunately, if you're Marilyn Monroe forced to get it on with the likes of you out of some sense of obligation (being sweet and non-judgemental in heaven, as people are), the prison-honeymoon comparison does get somewhat muddled.

Not really. No one is forced. And if there is sex there, one would no more be forced to engage in it, than one would be force fed. Ridiculous.

So far your main point was the seismic waves, and I dealt with it. The inner earth stands as unknown.

Any believers out there have any reason that the inner earth may not be somewhat like New Jerusalem in workmanship, and materials?

 

[thaumaturgy]

So far your main point was the seismic waves, and I dealt with it. The inner earth stands as unknown.

Even to you.

DIAGNOSTICS:

Christian Fail Mode: Luke 6:31 Error
Christian Fail Mode: Matthew 7:5 Error
Christian Fail Mode: Proverbs 16:18 Error

 

[thaumaturgy]

Not really. No one is forced. And if there is sex there, one would no more be forced to engage in it, than one would be force fed. Ridiculous.

I didn't mean to indicate that you would FORCE her, I was merely commenting that if Marilyn was somehow honor-bound to be nice enough to you to give you a "roll in the New Jerusalem Hay", it probably wouldn't be as much fun for her as it would for you. I admit I stated it poorly. Mea culpa.

 

[dad]

Even to you.

DIAGNOSTICS:

Christian Fail Mode: Luke 6:31 Error
Christian Fail Mode: Matthew 7:5 Error
Christian Fail Mode: Proverbs 16:18 Error

Those are nice verses. It is true that the bible does not detail the inner earth much. There is enough to see that it opposes science, so called, however. That is clear. That leaves science not knowing, yet spouting off as if it had er all mapped out. That is what it does.

The end result, by and large is looking only at the creation, as if it got here somehow all by it's lonesome. Long ages of astounding flukes..

" Rom 1: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things."

God is uncorruptable, and the spiritual also, forever state is also just not going to corrupt, and pass away. Neither will the earth, at least the inner earth go anywhere. It is fireproof, and when the temporal, cursed, surface junk is burned off, a gorgeous, eternal earth will be unveiled. Global warming? You ain't seen nothing yet! Forget about a hot core, it is the suface that will burn, baby, burn.

 

[dad]

I didn't mean to indicate that you would FORCE her, I was merely commenting that if Marilyn was somehow honor-bound to be nice enough to you to give you a "roll in the New Jerusalem Hay", it probably wouldn't be as much fun for her as it would for you. I admit I stated it poorly. Mea culpa.

Well, I would also be honor bound, I suppose if she either wasn't available, or interested..etc. Good will all round.

 

[HappyCat]

God is uncorruptable, and the spiritual also, forever state is also just not going to corrupt, and pass away. Neither will the earth, at least the inner earth go anywhere. It is fireproof, and when the temporal, cursed, surface junk is burned off, a gorgeous, eternal earth will be unveiled. Global warming? You ain't seen nothing yet! Forget about a hot core, it is the suface that will burn, baby, burn.

Why didn't god just make the incorruptible forever state from the off and save a lot of heartache? Or is the present PO state intended to ensure there are plenty of suffering, burning sinners to provide entertainment for the righteous when having sex with movie stars gets old?

 

[dad]

Why didn't god just make the incorruptible forever state from the off and save a lot of heartache? ...

I would think that is exactly what He did do. Adam was to live forever, if you recall. The fall of man, and subsequent decent of man, seems to have made a temporary state necessary.

 

[HappyCat]

I would think that is exactly what He did do. Adam was to live forever, if you recall. The fall of man, and subsequent decent of man, seems to have made a temporary state necessary.

The state wasn't incorruptible then, was it?

In the future state, could a person (or whatever term you use in the new state to refer to individuals that are people in the current state) cause corruption again? If not, why not?

 

[dad]

The state wasn't incorruptible then, was it?

In the future state, could a person (or whatever term you use in the new state to refer to individuals that are people in the current state) cause corruption again? If not, why not?

No. The experiment was time limited. God has heaven planned, and eternal life. God was the One that created, and made the present state. Free will will have run it's course to the logical conclusions, whether back to God, or further away from Him, to outer darkness.

 

[HappyCat]

No. The experiment was time limited. God has heaven planned, and eternal life. God was the One that created, and made the present state. Free will will have run it's course to the logical conclusions, whether back to God, or further away from Him, to outer darkness.

Are you saying there's no free will in the future state?

You haven't really answered my question about why god didn't just make the future state you believe in from the start. You said he did, but it was corrupted by people (or one person, anyway). If the state could be corrupted then, why couldn't it be corrupted in the future?

Where is the outer darkness in relation to the bits of the new state reserved for you and Marilyn etc? Will you be able to see the people, spirits, whatever they are, in the outer darkness? Is communication possible between the individuals in the outer darkness and those living with you and Marilyn?

By the way, are you sure Marilyn Monroe went to Heaven, or is it just speculation?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Prophesy, based on a belief in the present laws applying.

So, would "The sun is going to rise in the East and set in the West tomorrow," also be prophecy based on belief in present laws applying?

 

[dad]

So, would "The sun is going to rise in the East and set in the West tomorrow," also be prophecy based on belief in present laws applying?

Yes. And I agree with it. But as we get closer to the day of the Lord, and new heaven state, the clock will be ticking on the days of this state. Therefore, your prophesy is time limited, and only applies to the present state. There will come a time when it will be known that the next day will not see the sun rise in the east. And even if the sun still had the same pattern of setting and rising, it would be in a changed universe state, so it would not be the sun as we know it.

I heard one doctor say that it is likely that the universe will revolve around New Jerusalem, maybe even the earth as well.

 

[dad]

Are you saying there's no free will in the future state?

People's will will have been put either on God's side, or against. Once our will is harmonious with God's, we will not want to have this hell again. In the earlier time, Some spirits did rebel, and of course man followed suit. All the results we see are here for a good reason, I suspect. To clearly illustrate that going against God leads to hell, suffering, death, horrors, etc.

You haven't really answered my question about why god didn't just make the future state you believe in from the start. You said he did, but it was corrupted by people (or one person, anyway). If the state could be corrupted then, why couldn't it be corrupted in the future?

Already answered in above post.

Where is the outer darkness in relation to the bits of the new state reserved for you and Marilyn etc? Will you be able to see the people, spirits, whatever they are, in the outer darkness? Is communication possible between the individuals in the outer darkness and those living with you and Marilyn?

I think the Marilyn thing was blown way out of proportion. If she was really there, I doubt I would even bother her for her autograph. The issue is sex in heaven, whether it will exist. If it does, it will be sinless, pure, and God ordained.

The outer darkness seems to represent departing from the presence of God. That isn't a physical place. Apparently there is a gulf twixt the saved, and the damned. The poor man in the afterlife saw the rich man afar off, but could not get to him.

By the way, are you sure Marilyn Monroe went to Heaven, or is it just speculation?

Speculation. I am sure all the gals will be lovely there.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Yes. And I agree with it. But as we get closer to the day of the Lord, and new heaven state, the clock will be ticking on the days of this state. Therefore, your prophesy is time limited, and only applies to the present state. There will come a time when it will be known that the next day will not see the sun rise in the east. And even if the sun still had the same pattern of setting and rising, it would be in a changed universe state, so it would not be the sun as we know it.

So, I'm a prophet! Let me try another one: "Today, it will either rain... or not."

So far, my prophecies have a 100% success rate, as opposed to your 0%. Perhaps if your prophecies were somehow distinguishable from a cheese fixation...?

I heard one doctor say that it is likely that the universe will revolve around New Jerusalem, maybe even the earth as well.

I'm going to give you a bonus, 2 for 1 prophecy on that one:

1. This "doctor" has access to psychotropic medications.
2. He's been dipping into his own stash.

 

[dad]

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I'm going to give you a bonus, 2 for 1 prophecy on that one:

1. This "doctor" has access to psychotropic medications.
2. He's been dipping into his own stash.

Well, we can let the lurkers decide. Here is the link, listen for yourself, and see if you think the guy was on psychotropic medications.

http://throughthebible.ca/zip/66_rev.zip

Just go to the last 2 chapters in the download, and listen. You will find that the idea is given, that New Jerusalem will be the center of the universe, in every way. I don't make this stuff up.

 

[StabbingHobo]

I don't make this stuff up.

'Twasn't me! It was someone else! I swear!

 

[dad]

'Twasn't me! It was someone else! I swear!

Well, actually, one should not assume that he is alone at arriving at the obvious, most of the time. Especially when Christians have a common cheat sheet, called the bible, that has the answers.

 

[random325nicaea]

Well, actually, one should not assume that he is alone at arriving at the obvious, most of the time. Especially when Christians have a common cheat sheet, called the bible, that has the answers.

O RLY?
all the answers ay?

then use your biblical knowledge to tell me what becomes of gravity on a quantum scale? or perhaps the bible could tell me what the genomic sequence is for a cancer marker protien?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Well, we can let the lurkers decide. Here is the link, listen for yourself, and see if you think the guy was on psychotropic medications.

http://throughthebible.ca/zip/66_rev.zip

Yep -- definately a fruitcake.

Just go to the last 2 chapters in the download, and listen. You will find that the idea is given, that New Jerusalem will be the center of the universe, in every way. I don't make this stuff up.

Too bad -- you'd be much more entertaining if you had.