Spiritual Core

[MrGoodBytes]

Interesting that the Bible says our life is in our blood, and we have Iron in our blood, eh?

That's actually not interesting at all, mostly because it's a complete non-sequitur.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I'm attempting an experiment -- if you replace dad's references to "the spiritual" with cheese, does his argument change in the slightest?

If the inner earth is cheese, it isn't hot. Why would it be? The calculations that heat up the core, are surface based. Since the earth is forever, and cheese is known, biblically to dwell down there, it is cheese! That nullifies applying the laws of physics there, of course.

This is the conclusion that bible believers must arrive at. Any bible believers disagree?

For the pagan minded, or carnal only oriented, if you will, have you any proof the core is hot iron? Let's see it.

The only difference I see is the claim of Biblical support, but I'm sure that with a proper interpretation, we can find an appropriate cheese reference that's at least as detailed as the one dad originally gave.

 

[shinbits]

Oh yes, of course, |I don't disagree there - I'm just saying that that doesnt mean to say that the earth's core is spiritual, any more than the outer earth is spiritual as such. But as I say, perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point.

Well, Dad was saying that the core isn't hot, and seemed to be saying that the reason is that it's because spiritual beings were there. I was just saying that Biblically, we can believe the earth's core is hot.

 

[shinbits]

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[lostaquarium]

If the inner earth is also spiritual, it isn't hot. Why would it be? The calculations that heat up the core, are surface based. Since the earth is forever, and spirits are known, biblically to dwell down there, it is spiritual! That nullifies applying the laws of physics there, of course.

This is the conclusion that bible believers must arrive at. Any bible believers disagree?

For the pagan minded, or carnal only oriented, if you will, have you any proof the core is hot iron? Let's see it.

I'm sorry, that's a really illogical post. What do you mean by "spiritual", and why is it mutually exclusive with "hot"?

Human beings are spiritual, but we still need DNA and protein and things. We still work according to natural laws.

People have been studying the core for ages - in much more detail than you or I know - and I trust that they've based their conclusions on pretty solid research.

 

[dad]

You will notice that this is on the surface of the earth.. Even if we say the hot stuff came up from a hundred or 2 miles down, that is what would be considered surface, in comparison to the depth of the planet. My point stands. The furthest any man went down is if I recall, something like 10, or 12 miles! Now, if a planet underwent rapid continental separation, even if that was in a different universe state, where no great heat was produced, great heat is expected IF the completion of the movement was in this present state!!! The evidence mounts, that there indeed is a lot of heat far below the surface. Imagining it all the way to the core, from all the evidence I have seen so far, is pure fantasy. Thanks for that.

 

[Split Rock]

You will notice that this is on the surface of the earth.. Even if we say the hot stuff came up from a hundred or 2 miles down, that is what would be considered surface, in comparison to the depth of the planet. My point stands. The furthest any man went down is if I recall, something like 10, or 12 miles! Now, if a planet underwent rapid continental separation, even if that was in a different universe state, where no great heat was produced, great heat is expected IF the completion of the movement was in theis present state!!! The evidence mounts, that there indeed is a lot of heat far below the surface. Imagining it all the way to the core, from all the evidence I have seen so far, is pure fantasy. Thanks for that.

I must have missed this evidence you say is mounting... is it in another thread, 'cause it sure isn't in this one.

I re-wrote dad's post based on Nathan's procedure:

"You will notice that this is on the surface of the earth.. Even if we say the cheese stuff came up from a hundred or 2 miles down, that is what would be considered surface, in comparison to the depth of the planet. My point stands. The furthest any man went down is if I recall, something like 10, or 12 miles! Now, if a planet underwent rapid continental separation, even if that was in a different universe state, where no great cheese was produced, great cheese is expected IF the completion of the movement was in theis present state!!! The evidence mounts, that there indeed is a lot of cheese far below the surface. Imagining it all the way to the core, from all the evidence I have seen so far, is pure fantasy. Thanks for that."

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Did someone mention already that temperature increases the further down you drill? It's well over 150°C at only 10000 metres of depth.

 

[dad]

Interesting that the Bible says our life is in our blood, and we have Iron in our blood, eh?

We temporal men on the surface of earth do have iron at the moment, in the blood yes.

Interesting also that Jesus talked about how His risen body was 'flesh and bone' not flesh and blood. Spirits don't have blood, apparently.

Like the spirits living down in the depths of the earth.

So, I am wondering how men of science imagine they can apply physics down in the unknown nether regions of this eternal earth, where beings live?

 

[AV1611VET]

We temporal men on the surface of earth do have iron at the moment, in the blood yes.

Interesting also that Jesus talked about how His risen body was 'flesh and bone' not flesh and blood. Spirits don't have blood, apparently.

Like the spirits living down in the depths of the earth.

That's true --- good point.

So, I am wondering how men of science imagine they can apply physics down in the unknown nether regions of this eternal earth, where beings live?

I like to point out Boyle's Law and say that Hell increases as mass increases, in order to keep the temperature the same:

Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

I do believe though, that those who don't get saved will be down there in the flesh as well --- body, soul, and spirit.

They won't receive a glorified body like we will.

 

[Nathan Poe]

You will notice that this is on the surface of the earth.. Even if we say the hot stuff came up from a hundred or 2 miles down, that is what would be considered surface, in comparison to the depth of the planet. My point stands. The furthest any man went down is if I recall, something like 10, or 12 miles! Now, if a planet underwent rapid continental separation, even if that was in a different universe state, where no great heat was produced, great heat is expected IF the completion of the movement was in this present state!!! The evidence mounts, that there indeed is a lot of heat far below the surface. Imagining it all the way to the core, from all the evidence I have seen so far, is pure fantasy. Thanks for that.

None of this changes a bit if the Earth's core is made of cheese. My experiment continues.

 

[dad]

Well, even if spirits do dwell in the centre of the earth, I can't see that that makes the core spiritual...scripture also talks of the spirits of the air...doesnt mean to say they are able to physically breathe with less oxygen. I think it just means they function differently.
Or have I misunderstood the question?

Although Satan is referred to as the prince of the power of the 'air' I do not reall anyone saying spirits live in space or atmosphere?? You better check your facts! Since Babel, times are changed, we should try to keep up. They of course used to have a station not far above the surface of the earth, which is why man tried to get up there.

They ain't there no more. We've been up there. We have not been down there, though! Really. God did send someone down, however, and it was Jesus. He went right down to where the spirits live. The forces of gravity, as imagined exist down there, did not compact Him into a little speck. He was fine, thank you very much. He came back to the surface, and hung out with friends for over a month after that!~ He ate food, drank, and hugged, and all sorts of things.

So, obviously the laws of phyics do not apply there to spiritual beings, even physical, and spiritual merged beings as He was! Not just a spirit, was He after rising from the dead.

The calendar is set to the Man. So is your computer! No better witness could exist. Am I right, or am I right, or am I right??

That means we were all taught lies.


Nice to know.

 

[Nathan Poe]

We temporal men on the surface of earth do have iron at the moment, in the blood yes.

Interesting also that Jesus talked about how His risen body was 'flesh and bone' not flesh and blood. Spirits don't have blood, apparently.

Intersting how he didn't mention vitreous humor, either. Spirits don't have eyeballs, apparantly.

he also didn't mention hair -- are spirits bald?

Like the cheese living down in the depths of the earth.

The experiment continues...

So, I am wondering how men of science imagine they can apply physics down in the unknown chedder regions of this mozzarella earth, where limburger lives?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Although Satan is referred to as the prince of the power of the 'air' I do not reall anyone saying cheeses live in space or atmosphere?? You better check your facts! Since Babel, times are changed, we should try to keep up. They of course used to have a station not far above the surface of the earth, which is why man tried to get up there.

They ain't there no more. We've been up there. We have not been down there, though! Really. God did send someone down, however, and it was Jesus. He went right down to where the cheese lives. The forces of gravity, as imagined exist down there, did not compact Him into a little speck. He was fine, thank you very much. He came back to the surface, and hung out with friends for over a month after that!~ He ate food, drank, and hugged, and all sorts of things.

So, obviously the laws of phyics do not apply there to cheese beings, even physical, and cheese merged beings as He was! Not just a cheese, was He after rising from the dead.

The experiment continues...

 

[tansy]

Is what this thread boils down to that scientists haven't ACTUALLY been able to probe to thevery centre of the earth, so we cannot say for certain what it is made up of..only that there are unproven hyptotheses based on scientists knowledge of physics?

I'm stiill not convinces by your argument Dad...I should have thought that spirits, assuming they are in the core of the earth, can survive there whether it's hot, cold OR made of green cheese.

Actually, whether the centre is hot or cold, would there be extrem pressure down there? Or maybe it's hollow...a kind of gigantic cavern..??? Perhaps there's hardly any gravity..or maybe an airlock...

 

[Split Rock]

Although Satan is referred to as the prince of the power of the 'air' I do not reall anyone saying spirits live in space or atmosphere?? You better check your facts! Since Babel, times are changed, we should try to keep up. They of course used to have a station not far above the surface of the earth, which is why man tried to get up there.

They ain't there no more. We've been up there. We have not been down there, though! Really. God did send someone down, however, and it was Jesus. He went right down to where the spirits live. The forces of gravity, as imagined exist down there, did not compact Him into a little speck. He was fine, thank you very much. He came back to the surface, and hung out with friends for over a month after that!~ He ate food, drank, and hugged, and all sorts of things.

So, obviously the laws of phyics do not apply there to spiritual beings, even physical, and spiritual merged beings as He was! Not just a spirit, was He after rising from the dead.

The calendar is set to the Man. So is your computer! No better witness could exist. Am I right, or am I right, or am I right??

That means we were all taught lies.


Nice to know.

Yet another

good point.

You are all witnessing the very pinnacle of Creationist thought, people. Pay attention! Please continue... both of you.

 

[thaumaturgy]

Who cares what Dad thinks about the interior of the earth. Here's some real geology:

Scientists know what the interior of the earth is like in a way that x-rays tell us what the interior of out body looks like. Only instead of using light rays geologists use seismic waves.

There are three main types: s, p and surface waves. S and p waves are "shear" and "compressive" waves respectively and they are often grouped as body waves because they traverse through the entire body of the planet.

S-waves can travel through solids only, they are "shear waves" so they propogate through solids or semi-solids. P-waves, on the other hand, can travel through solid and liquids.

These seismic waves travel all the way through the planet after an earthquake and can be measured all over the globe. We know from the massive number of sensitive seismic stations all over the planet when and from where an earthquake hits.

(Source)

Note that the S and P waves have specific "shadow zones" where they are missing. This is how we know at least part of the core (the "outer core") is liquid.

The actual type of materials in the inner earth are a bit more complex to figure out and require some information around how the p-waves refract through the material. Remember, like light refracting in a glass of water or through a diamond, the differences in density (rather than "index of refraction" for light) affects the bending of the seismic waves.

The core of the earth is largely iron as well as some nickel and maybe some oxygen or sulfur.

We also have several other avenues of evidence, as mentioned earlier; the magnetic field and its strength tell us about the ferromagnetic materials in the core, the mass of the earth tells us something about the materials that make it up. (More info here)

Interestingly enough there's some information about the actual crystal form of the iron in the core (HERE)

One last thing; the word Nickel, the element which makes up a couple percent of the core, is said to be derived from a couple of interesting words:
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Word Origin: German Nickel: Satan or Old Nick, also, from kupfernickel: Old Nick's copper or Devil's copper (SOURCE),
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But also this is sometimes translated as "False Copper" since the early metallurgists thought they'd get copper from it when smelted, but didn't.
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Origin / Meaning of the name Nickel
Name Originates from the German word 'kupfernickel' meaning false copper from the deceptive copper color of the ore (SOURCE)
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Between that and the sulfur that may be down there...

 

[AV1611VET]

--- Hey, Thaumaturgy!

Long time no see!

 

[Split Rock]

Who cares what Dad thinks about the interior of the earth. Here's some real geology:

Your "real geology" is stuck in the present State, fishbowl, Godless asumption that you can never prove, that this current State was always The same State which you cannot prove becasue in the Pre Post Non-Physical Only State, you are stuck with Grandpa Speck in the Godless Pond of Physical Only Stae assumptions you cannot prove! AM I right, or am I Right??

 

[Nathan Poe]

Your "real geology" is stuck in the present State, fishbowl, cheeseless asumption that you can never prove, that this current State was always The same State which you cannot prove becasue in the Pre Post cheese Only State, you are stuck with Grandpa Speck in the cheeseless Pond of Physical Only Stae assumptions you cannot prove! AM I right, or am I Right??

Thank you, Split Rock -- I can apply the cheese test to your recital of dad's arguments as a control subject.