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"who is the authority on where the dividing line is for which part to take literally and which part to not take seriously?"

All Scripture should be taken seriously but the answer to your question is:

The community by whom and for whom the Scriptures were written, the Church.
 
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"who is the authority on where the dividing line is for which part to take literally and which part to not take seriously?"

All Scripture should be taken seriously but the answer to your question is:

The community by whom and for whom the Scriptures were written, the Church.
Do you believe that the bible is the inspired Word of God?
 
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I don't believe the bible fell out of the sky as we know it today, and then the Church came about after that. Christ is the Word of God, that is in whom I put my faith.

the Nicene Creed states "I believe (I trust, put my faith in) One God, the Father, almighty, maker of Heaven and Earth and of all things visible and invisible." Not in a book, authoritative and inspired as it is.

Are you going to actually listen to us, or are you just going to repeat the same things over and over again?
 
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I don't believe the bible fell out of the sky as we know it today, and then the Church came about after that. Christ is the Word of God, that is in whom I put my faith.

the Nicene Creed states "I believe (I trust, put my faith in) One God, the Father, almighty, maker of Heaven and Earth and of all things visible and invisible." Not in a book, authoritative and inspired as it is.

Are you going to actually listen to us, or are you just going to repeat the same things over and over again?
I am listening. I am just inquisitive. You need to understand that I am completely foreign to your world view. It is like day and night. My goal is to understand other religions so I can be a better witness for Christ. To me it is all about Jesus Christ. On the other hand, If you don't have patience for my questions just don't respond. I won't be offended. To me, it is better for me to learn here than to read a website that says this and that. I admit I have to say that I have learned a lot. Jokingly, I have also learned that orthodox Christian's don't have patience.

As for me, I also don't believe that the bible fell out of the sky. However, when I think about the bible, I believe it is the inspired Word of God; completely error free. That God gave every writer what to say and write. I believe that it has made it this far through history by the divine Hand of God and its message is as relevant and necessary today as it was 2000 years ago. I take its words on creation literally and no scientist could sway my opinion. I believe its history and no one can change my mind.

I take it literally and it's promises wholeheartedly. I believe its prophecies and accept its gifts as explained. I don't believe the bible could ever be destroy or removed from this world. I believe that everything that God needed to say is in that book and the world would be completely lost without it. I have seen that book changes lives so many times, I can't just dismiss or downplay any of it. When I am in the presence of that book, I am its student and it is my teacher; end of story. To me, everything that this world has to offer is worthless in comparison to God's Word, the bible.
 
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Greg is simply and rightly pointing out the need for context. The Bible was written by the Church and for the Church. Inspired and totally infallible to be true, but the only way you know you are reading it correctly is if you are in the Body that can interpret it.

Greg is not questioning the Bible's infallibility, but rather your interpretation of the Bible
 
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See the responses from Armymatt and shemaiden4christ, and you'll see why I asked you if you are going to actually listen to what we are saying.

It has nothing to do with my patience or lack thereof, but from how you respond to what we say.

You are not showing a willingness to learn, despite your claim otherwise.
 
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Greg is simply and rightly pointing out the need for context. The Bible was written by the Church and for the Church. Inspired and totally infallible to be true, but the only way you know you are reading it correctly is if you are in the Body that can interpret it.

Greg is not questioning the Bible's infallibility, but rather your interpretation of the Bible
I believe the bible is to be read in context. However, allow me to say that the bible was not entirely written by the church nor was it written only for the church. God's word is a light that all may see and repent.
 
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How the devil do you even get that out of that C.S. Lewis quote?

The Bible is 100% about context and the correct interpretive lens.
That is what I find so interesting about this conversation. It is like night and day, I can't see how Mary is said to be the mother of God is in the right context. It looks like something has been added. However, I believe the comment earlier about Jewish kings and their mothers makes sense but I believe even that is a stretch because something so important should have been expressly said in the new testament. Even the letter from St. Ignatius does not even mention such a thing. So as far as being out of context, I have not added anything. I simply take God's Word as it is.
 
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See the responses from Armymatt and shemaiden4christ, and you'll see why I asked you if you are going to actually listen to what we are saying.

It has nothing to do with my patience or lack thereof, but from how you respond to what we say.

You are not showing a willingness to learn, despite your claim otherwise.
I am listen. You are not listening to me. Just because someone says it, does not mean that I should just naively accept it. Show me. If you go back and see, you will see I put scriptures in my post to prove my point. Most of what I am getting is Love you are out of context and you are wrong and yada yada yada. Don't assume that I am not listening, prove me wrong. Then I will shut up.
 
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I'm not assuming. It is based on how you respond. You keep saying the same things over and over again. Your responses do now show a progression or increase of understanding. You also asked questions that in my opinion, are loaded, such as your question to me asking if I believe the Bible to be inspired, as if you think I don't. If you had taken the time to do your own research on your own time, you would have discovered what high and honored place we put the Scriptures in. But, it is evident to me you have not done any such research on your own.

So, I ask again, will you listen, and learn, and progress in your understanding?
 
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"does not mean that I should just naively accept it. Show me. If you go back and see, you will see I put scriptures in my post to prove my point."

You have not proven your point. The only point you have proven is exactly what we are trying to tell you, you cannot take Scripture out of context. We have shown you and given you evidence, and all you have done is again, avoid our reasonable objections to your position by going around in circles by repeating your self over and over again.
 
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I don't believe the bible fell out of the sky as we know it today, and then the Church came about after that. Christ is the Word of God, that is in whom I put my faith.

the Nicene Creed states "I believe (I trust, put my faith in) One God, the Father, almighty, maker of Heaven and Earth and of all things visible and invisible." Not in a book, authoritative and inspired as it is.

Are you going to actually listen to us, or are you just going to repeat the same things over and over again?

Although the Bible did not literally fall from the sky we are informed by and through it that the doctrines of God do fall lake rain from heaven. It is the character of the water of the word.

This is to help understated the differences between doctrines of God, His Tradition from those of men as their traditions. God will not share his glory with men in that way, called the confederacy

Creeds show the doctrines of men as traditions thereof or what the scriptures refer to as private interpretation. They are not the source of faith by which we can hear God's voice through his interpretation, the one non private witness of God, the Bible that he calls the book of the law.

I think we must remember God is not served by human hands in any way shape or form. It's God's word that cannot return void of the purpose he sends it and we must obey it and not some philosophical opinion as a theory. But it is God's perfect law that he informs us it does quicken our souls, giving us simply ones His understanding. In lieu of that it warns of those who say we do need a man to teach us. He calls them the antichrists who do insist we do need a man to teach us.
 
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Although the Bible did not literally fall from the sky we are informed by and through it that the doctrines of God do fall lake rain from heaven. It is the character of the water of the word.

This is to help understated the differences between doctrines of God, His Tradition from those of men as their traditions. God will not share his glory with men in that way, called the confederacy

Citation needed? (Preferably a citation that makes sense from the collective understandings of Christianity since its inception, not some post-Reformation hogwash.)

Creeds show the doctrines of men as traditions thereof or what the scriptures refer to as private interpretation. They are not the source of faith by which we can hear God's voice through his interpretation, the one non private witness of God, the Bible that he calls the book of the law.

Citation needed? (Preferably a citation that makes sense from the collective understandings of Christianity since its inception, not some post-Reformation hogwash.)

I think we must remember God is not served by human hands in any way shape or form. It's God's word that cannot return void of the purpose he sends it and we must obey it and not some philosophical opinion as a theory. But it is God's perfect law that he informs us it does quicken our souls, giving us simply ones His understanding. In lieu of that it warns of those who say we do need a man to teach us. He calls them the antichrists who do insist we do need a man to teach us.

Citation needed? (Preferably a citation that makes sense from the collective understanding of Christianity since its inception, not some post-Reformation hogwash.)
 
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Paul testified that, "I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all," 1 Corinthians 14:18. How do you interpret this? How many languages did he speak or how many languages were he referring too?

Because prophecy of scripture is God's interpretation to us as it is written, we abide in Him the one who does interpret and teach,comfort and guide us.

Tongues is one of the many manners that God used to bring prophecy(new revelations that are added to the scripture.). Tongues is a work of God that worked to both will and do His good purposes. Its not that Peter spoke in tongues, but that God interpreted His message that he put on Peter lips so other dialects from the gentile nations could understand God.

Seeing God is no longer bringing any new revelation we understand it includes the manner of tongues.. Tongues are a sign for the unbeliever not for those who do believe, which the same caused them to believe God at Pentecost. Prophecy, the word of God is for those who do believe.Tongues full-filled the old testament prophecy in respect to the fist century reformation in so much that God now on this side of the cross has removed the outward Jews, as far as shadows and types.

He now speaks directly to each child of God through the Bible. Today if someone says Lo is Christ, I received a tongue or a voice from heaven as a sign and wonder(sign that seen the temporal, and wonder that not seen, the eternal, the faith principle) we are to believe them not.
 
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Citation needed? (Preferably a citation that makes sense from the collective understandings of Christianity since its inception, not some post-Reformation hogwash.)

The fifteenth century reformation as a paradigm follows the same as the first century reformation or what you call hogwash.

We are not to worship disembodied workers with familiar spirits that the Catholic according to the law of their fathers (not our Holy Father in heaven) must call patron saints, gods. Worshiping of disembodied spirits that have no from to behold is a faith principle reserved for our Father in heaven alone. The saints that do leave this realm under the sun no longer have any part in anything that does occur here.





Citation needed? (Preferably a citation that makes sense from the collective understandings of Christianity since its inception, not some post-Reformation hogwash.)

The Tradition of God.....My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:
The opposing the tradition of the law of the fathers on earthly conspired from their own minds.
Matthew 15:9


But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men

Citation needed? (Preferably a citation that makes sense from the collective understanding of Christianity since its inception, not some post-Reformation hogwash.)
 
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Christ established a Church on Earth, against which the gates of Hell shall not prevail. Jesus Christ made this promise to us, and one of the Apostolic Churches fulfills this promise. This Church is both physical and spiritual, and Christ holds the responsibility of it to his Apostles and their successors. The interpretation of Scripture belongs to the body in which it manifested and was made for -- the Church. Any interpretations outside of this body are folly and utterly nonsensical.
 
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