Speaking in Tongues

[GregConstantine]

"How many time do I have to say that I am listening?"

You can stop saying that once you show that you are progressing and increasing in understanding. If you keep repeating yourself, keep saying the same things over and over again, and contradicting yourself, then it is reasonable to assume the person doing that is not listening.

Plus, you should not just come here for such a topic. Your eternal salvation is the most important thing in our lives. You need to be reading other books, talking to other people. And I mean getting off the internet to do this. The internet is a great jumping point, but you have t move beyond the internet and read and talk to people in person. Go attend a service at an Orthodox parish, set up a meeting with the priest or deacon. Talk to other Orthodox people you meet.

Myself and others on this board took years of studying and inquiry before we decided to become Orthodox. We read, talked to people, took classes, visited Orthodox parishes, attended Orthodox events in our community, etc.

If you are serious about this, you will need to do the same. It is just like any other endeavor in life. You start a new project, or learn a new trade, you read, study, talk to others, practice, take classes, etc.

We will not do these things for you. You need to do them for yourself.

 

[Love Jonezing]

NP! Just wanted to clarify that instead of having you offended.

Thanks, you are all right with me. First kind word I heard on this post.

 

[Love Jonezing]

you reject the Church that compiled the Scripture to be read in the Church for her purposes. you basically ignore the 400 years between the NT being written, and the NT being brought together, and what those Christians had to say.

Wow, when did I say all of that. Although, you are right about the 400 years because there are clear contradictions between our canonized version and apocryphal books. They were written during the silent years. See: http://www.justforcatholics.org/a109.htm

 

[ArmyMatt]

Wow, when did I say all of that. Although, you are right about the 400 years because there are clear contradictions between our canonized version and apocryphal books. They were written during the silent years. See: http://www.justforcatholics.org/a109.htm

when you said the Bible was not written for the Church. you can only say that if you know nothing about the first centuries of Christianity. and to bring up the so called Apocrypha is to really not know about Church history or the Bible.

 

[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

when you said the Bible was not written for the Church. you can only say that if you know nothing about the first centuries of Christianity. and to bring up the so called Apocrypha is to really not know about Church history or the Bible.

The information is also from a source with an anti-Catholic bent to it. I don't support Catholicism, necessarily, but when a site is specifically meant for "debunking" Catholicism, it makes me wonder.

 

[Love Jonezing]

The information is also from a source with an anti-Catholic bent to it. I don't support Catholicism, necessarily, but when a site is specifically meant for "debunking" Catholicism, it makes me wonder.

True, however, my intent was to simply point out the contradictions between books. My intent is not to bash Catholics. I love them in Jesus name.

 

[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

True, however, my intent was to simply point out the contradictions between books. My intent is not to bash Catholics. I love them in Jesus name.

Fair enough! The academic in me is just suspicious of just about any source that I come across if it doesn't have some sort of official stamp attached to it. Even then I'm still suspicious of any angle the source might have.

 

[ArmyMatt]

The information is also from a source with an anti-Catholic bent to it. I don't support Catholicism, necessarily, but when a site is specifically meant for "debunking" Catholicism, it makes me wonder.

And it has starts off with an evangelical bent, as if that is any proper interpretation. It's like a Jack Chick track

 

[Love Jonezing]

when you said the Bible was not written for the Church. you can only say that if you know nothing about the first centuries of Christianity. and to bring up the so called Apocrypha is to really not know about Church history or the Bible.

Respectfully, what are you saying? It was said earlier that the church wrote the bible. I simply cleared that up by saying the church did not write the bible. The bible was compiled by the church. In response to your last statement, Christ came to save the lost. "And He said to them, ‘Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature". If I am quoting the bible is too much let me know, I will find a C.S Lewis quote or Augustine quote or something along those lines. It is not my goal to offend anyone. I really hope I do not offend anyone with this next statement, but I am starting to believe that I am the only one who actually reads the bible on this post. I may just start having to communicate with everyone using quotes from old church fathers and testimonies from old saints. I believe that may get my point across, in context.

 

[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

@Love Jonezing -- I think those of us here are well-versed (oops, pun) in the Bible; it's just that our understanding of it is much different than most American Christians. We see Scripture as God's gift to his Church, and it's a gift that the the Church has fostered and protected throughout time. There are specific ways that the Church has interpreted Scripture since Christianity's inception and to interpret otherwise is folly. You'll see a lot of references to Patristic writings because often snippets of the Church fathers' writings shed light onto the meaning of a certain verse or chapter or book. Referencing Patristics and the writings of Saints and holy persons is part of the interpretive process for Orthodox Christians.

Hope this helps!

 

[Love Jonezing]

Fair enough! The academic in me is just suspicious of just about any source that I come across if it doesn't have some sort of official stamp attached to it. Even then I'm still suspicious of any angle the source might have.

I agree with you on that.

 

[ArmyMatt]

I am saying that you are not reading it right. Yes, we are to preach the Gospel to all, but not in the sense you mean. It was 17 years between Pentecost and the beginning of the written NT.

You are giving opinion on what the Scripture means, but nothing to actually back up what you are saying

 

[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

I agree with you on that.

Guess I'm a Christian skeptic.

 

[Love Jonezing]

@Love Jonezing -- I think those of us here are well-versed (oops, pun) in the Bible; it's just that our understanding of it is much different than most American Christians. We see Scripture as God's gift to his Church, and it's a gift that the the Church has fostered and protected throughout time. There are specific ways that the Church has interpreted Scripture since Christianity's inception and to interpret otherwise is folly. You'll see a lot of references to Patristic writings because often snippets of the Church fathers' writings shed light onto the meaning of a certain verse or chapter or book. Referencing Patristics and the writings of Saints and holy persons is part of the interpretive process for Orthodox Christians.

Hope this helps!

Yes! That helps tremendously. Thank you. There need to be more people in the world like you.

 

[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

Yes! That helps tremendously. Thank you. There need to be more people in the world like you.

This is really what people have been trying to say in the thread; I think I just posited it in a more palatable manner.

(Had a stressful day, which is no excuse for me snapping at people, but if you're interested in Orthodoxy, look into Byzantine chant. It's both very relaxing and has some theological information.)

 

[Love Jonezing]

This is really what people have been trying to say in the thread; I think I just posited it in a more palatable manner.

(Had a stressful day, which is no excuse for me snapping at people, but if you're interested in Orthodoxy, look into Byzantine chant. It's both very relaxing and has some theological information.)

Will do. You have a recommended source?

 

[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

Will do. You have a recommended source?

Hmm. I think there's an Byzantine Chant in English playlist on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=byzantine+chant+in+english+playlist

There's 5 lengthy playlists to choose from.

 

[sahjimira]

what does Paul mean 1st Corinthians 13 1 speaking in the tongues of angels?

 

[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

what does Paul mean 1st Corinthians 13 1 speaking in the tongues of angels?

Link the entire chapter for context.

 

[Love Jonezing]

Love Jonezing said: ↑
Paul testified that, "I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all," 1 Corinthians 14:18. How do you interpret this? How many languages did he speak or how many languages were he referring too?

I interpret it just like he says. He spoke more tongues then all of them. For me tongues can be unto God and unto man.