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Hey all! I was just wondering if anyone here has heard of the South Beach Diet and if any of you have tried it? If so what did/do you think about it? I've already read Dr. Agatston's book and am planning on starting Phase 1 on Tuesday....after the Memorial Day Picnic tomorrow! ;)

I'm not severly overweight, according to diet profiles I'm only about 10-20 pounds overweight, but enough that I'd feel comfortable loosing a few pounds. My Dad's a diabetic and I've tried his diet but I hate having to count carbs....it's too annoying to me to have to keep track of all that. With the SB Diet you don't have to count anything which is going to be really nice. I think it sounds so appealing to me because it's more then just a diet, it's actually cleansing your system and then establishing a healthy eating lifestyle.

I was just curious to hear what others think of it and if you have tried it, was it as successful as you expected, more so, or just totally disappointing?
 

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Eagle_Wings said:
Hey all! I was just wondering if anyone here has heard of the South Beach Diet and if any of you have tried it? If so what did/do you think about it? I've already read Dr. Agatston's book and am planning on starting Phase 1 on Tuesday....after the Memorial Day Picnic tomorrow! ;)

I'm not severly overweight, according to diet profiles I'm only about 10-20 pounds overweight, but enough that I'd feel comfortable loosing a few pounds. My Dad's a diabetic and I've tried his diet but I hate having to count carbs....it's too annoying to me to have to keep track of all that. With the SB Diet you don't have to count anything which is going to be really nice. I think it sounds so appealing to me because it's more then just a diet, it's actually cleansing your system and then establishing a healthy eating lifestyle.

I was just curious to hear what others think of it and if you have tried it, was it as successful as you expected, more so, or just totally disappointing?
Haven't heard from you in awhile. South Beach Diet, I always thought it was a low-carb diet. I haven't heard anything negative about it. I couldn't deal with a low carb diet. Not saying I eat lots of carbs but I have to have my weekly pasta day. That last sentence in your post is the key to maintaining weight loss, keeping everything simple enough to work into your daily plans for good, not just as a short-term goal. Good luck :thumbsup:
 
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Hey TruthinFiction! Yeah, it's been a while, I did send you an email though, I believe it was on Sunday. :scratch: This 3-day weekend has my week totally messed up, but that's cool!

Okay, let's see if I can explain this...I have enough of a handle on the diet to follow it, but not sure I can properly explain it. It's more then just low-carb, low-fat, low-sugar. Dr. Agatston explains that there are bad carbs and good carbs, same goes for fats and this eating style focuses on the good carbs and fats. The first two weeks are the strictest...no sugar, no pastas & breads, no fruit, and the meats and veggies you are allowed to eat are limited. The first two weeks are meant to clean out your blood system; Dr. Agatston is a cardiologist and this diet was intended for his patients with the goal of improving their blood system- weight loss was an unintended side effect and the whole thing kind of took on a life of it's own as his clients started sharing it with their friends and family. You are expected to lose any where from 5-13 pounds in the first 2 weeks. Then Phase 2 you slowly add some other foods back into your diet, such as fruit, whole grain breads, etc. You stay on Phase 2 until you've reached your weight goal and then you go to Phase 3, which is now just a lifestyle and you remain on Phase 3. There aren't any Phase 3 food lists, because by now you should know what you can eat and how it will affect your body. Everybody is different, some people never go back on pasta, others never go back on bread, etc. It all depends on how it affects your body and your level of self-control. I love pasta and bread, but at least for now I've got to give them up, but I think I'll have enough self-control to keep them in moderation when I do finally add them back in. My problem is I just love to eat, but I think with the way this is set up that I'll be able to stick with it and still feel satisfied and not like I've had my throat cut!
 
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Well, it's been just about a week and so far so good. The third day was the absolute worst...although I was full I still wanted to eat, the cravings were horrible, but now that I'm past that and I've gotten my blood sugar level back up to were it belongs things are going pretty smoothly. I wasn't going to weigh myself and was feeling pretty good, although my clothes don't really seem to fit all that differently, I feel better inside. Well, mom mentioned that she'd only lost a pound this last week, so out of curiosity I weighed myself. About 6 months ago I was at 180 and rising, I went off of sodas and McDonalds and was able to get myself down to about 174, but couldn't drop below that. (all this is without excersising or dramatic eating changes) Since I've moved I really stopped watching what I was eating and felt like I'd packed on the pounds again. Last Wednesday evening (day after starting the diet) out of curiousity I jumped on the scales at my parents house- I know it's best to weigh yourself first thing in the morning and always on the same day since your weight will fluctuate, well Wed nite it was late evening and I was fully clothed...the scale read 174, which totally shocked me. I just weighed again..out of curiosity and once again...mid day...scale read 167!!!! So in reality I've probably have lost about 3 pounds in one week....totally exceeds my expectations...but most importantly I feel great.
 
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It definitely works and is so easy to do. I even ate out at a Chinese Buffet yesterday after church and while I couldn't have my absolute favorite of crab ragoons, Gen Tsaos Chicken or garlic bread, there was still plenty there that I could eat and I def did not leave hungry! I can't stop raving about this, not only is it so easy to follow, but it actually has results that you can almost instantaneously see and feel.
 
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Is this a diet that has foods in phase 1 that are easily made in advance?
I am usually at work from 3pm-11pm, and there I can't really "make" a dinner, it's mostly heating something in the microwave, or pulling something out of the fridge (which I think is something that has contributed to my weight gain in the past 8months that I've worked at this job).
So, are the foods/meal plans things I can make during the day, or the day before and refrigerate or freeze for later that evening?
 
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I think it's totally possible to make your meals in advance if that is what would work for you. I really didn't have to change my eating styles too much for these last two weeks, the biggest loss was no bread and no fruit. I've been living on Chicken breasts, eggs, and salads the last two weeks. I've also found out I like Gazpacho! (It's a cold veggie soup made with veggie juice, chopped veggies, olive oil, and white wine vinegar) And I've even had a few steaks as well. The list of allowable foods is pretty long and easy to work with. I would definitely recommend picking up the book, he explains it all so much better then I could. And from looking at Phase 2 it seems to be pretty easy to follow as well, it's just learning how your body processes food and what the healthy carbs and fats are, and then making sure that the majority of your eating habits incorporate those. You focus on whole grain foods, higher fiber & protein foods. Your body has to digest the fiber and protein before it can get to the sugars, therefore your insulin production doesn't go haywire and you don't have to deal with those pesky cravings. (Prob doesn't make much sense, but Dr. Agatston explains it better.) And once you are in Phase 2- if you want some pasta, or some ice cream, or anything else that is not on the "foods to enjoy list"...it's okay, just keep things in moderation and don't make it a daily habit. Since everybody's metabolism is different you might find out that having a serving of pasta 2-3 times a week doesn't affect you where just having a serving of pasta once a week might be a big no-no for me.
 
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From: http://www.mercola.com/2004/jun/9/south_beach.htm
Twelve Reasons to Avoid the South Beach Diet

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]By Dr. Joseph Mercola
with Brian Vaszily
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Overall I believe The South Beach Diet’s success is a powerful influence in several important respects. With sales in the millions, The South Beach Diet has joined the groundbreaking Atkins Diet in prompting deeper inquiry into the value of low-carbohydrate dieting, and has been central to making lower-carb cuisine more widely available. Just as important, it has also helped to destroy the dangerous myth -- a myth that prevailed for thirty years -- that low-fat dieting is safe and effective.

That said -- and as a physician with over two decades of clinical experience who is highly respected for my dietary program, with a New York Times bestseller of my own, and most importantly, who maintains strict adherence to the Hippocratic oath to "first do no harm" -- I would never recommend The South Beach Diet to any of my patients. In fact, I’d like to warn everyone about the dangers of adopting Dr. Agatston’s popular diet.

If you know anyone on or considering The South Beach Diet, pleasedocument.write ( "forward this article to them" ); forward this article to them so that they can make an informed decisionFirst, I have great respect for Rodale Press, the book’s publisher. They also publish Prevention Magazine, which I used to read regularly back in the 1970s (one of their articles in fact inspired me to select osteopathic medicine as opposed to a traditional M.D. school), and the www.prevention.com website, which is the number two natural health website on the Internet behind only my own, www.Mercola.com. Rodale is also an exceptionally astute and effective marketing company, which leads me to my first point:

"The South Beach Diet must be a worthwhile diet," a widely prevalent logic goes, "or else it wouldn’t have sold millions of copies!"

By now Americans ought to know that just because something sells well it doesn’t mean that it’s worth buying, and yet the flawed logic above prevails. Bottom line is, the major reason for The South Beach Diet’s success is that Rodale has spent in excess of one million dollars per month to promote this book. A marketing budget of that size could turn a bicycle repair manual into a major bestseller.

What’s more, according to various reports that are easily accessible by searching Google, with all they’ve spent on marketing the book versus all the book’s sales, it is my understanding that Rodale has actually taken a loss on the book. They’re a clever company, though, and I believe that loss is only temporary, serving more so as an investment in their ever expanding publishing empire. But don’t be swayed by the book’s phenomenal sales -- there are many reasons for you to avoid jumping on the South Beach bandwagon. I list twelve important ones below that should be enough to help you think twice about this diet that is synonymous with "fad" (in all honesty, I could write an entire book pointing out how misguided Dr. Agatston’s diet is, but I am hoping twelve suffice here for you to think twice about this diet):

Reason 1: Gets the "Good" Carbs Wrong -- At the Risk of Many People’s Health

Dr. Agatston promotes the concept that I have long recommended and detail in my TOTAL HEALTH Program--there are good carbs that you should be consuming and bad carbs you should avoid. But then, on the simplest levels, he gets the "good" carbs wrong, including promoting both whole grain breads and fruits as good carbs. This advice can seriously impair the health of the millions of people in this country with sub clinical gluten sensitivity. It is also a prescription for disaster for the large number who have high carbohydrate sensitivity and struggle with controlling their insulin. It is best that ALL grains and sugars (fruits, as opposed to vegetables, have high sugar content) be avoided until insulin levels are normalized.

Reason 2: Severely Misguided Advice Can Lead to Dangerous Levels of Mercury and PCBs in You

Dr. Agatston recommends fish, displaying absolutely no understanding that nearly all fish from every type of water source are now contaminated with dangerous levels of mercury and PCBs from generations of water pollution from coal plants and other sources. Mercury and PCBs can lead to all kinds of very serious disease including neurological disorders.

The dangerous levels of toxins in fish is not hearsay but a warning that has been issued by many health practitioners and major health and government agencies--even the very conservative EPA advises pregnant women to avoid fish --and I have witnessed the epidemic with thousands of patients in my own clinic.

Either Agatston is not aware of this important issue or decided not to cover it; no mention is made that, to safely avoid the mercury and PCB issue in fish while still getting proper omega-3 intake, substituting clean sources of bottled or capsule fish oil is by far the wisest option.

Moreover, a USA Today report suggested that it would cost over $90 a week to follow the misguided fish intake recommended by The South Beach Diet anyway.

Reason 3: Advice on Milk May Worsen a Common Allergy

Dr. Agaston freely advocates commercial pasteurized milk. He is obviously unaware of the major problems many people have with pasteurized casein and its prevalence as one of the most common food allergies (further, as he is positioning himself as a dietary expert, he should be aware and note that many people aren't even yet aware they have this allergy).

Though consuming raw (unpasteurized) milk is still a controversial topic, for some people many of the problems they experience with pasteurized milk disappear when they consume clean milk in its raw state (raw milk is becomingly increasingly available again). However, even in a clean, raw state many still are unable to tolerate it. The point is, none of this essential information that impacts many people is covered in The South Beach Diet.

Reason 4: Buys Into the Old Myth of Saturated Fat -- at Your Expense

Dr. Agatston fortunately does not buy into the myth that eggs are bad (eggs can be quite healthy for you, especially organic eggs), but he is still under the delusion that saturated fat is bad for everyone. Like carbohydrates, though, some high quality saturated food is not merely okay but needs to be part of a truly healthy diet. What matters, as with carbs and all macronutrients, is that you are getting your saturated fat from a clean and healthy source such as organic virgin coconut oil. (Search "saturated fat" on Mercola.com for more on this issue.)

Reason 5: Recommends Aspartame ... Widely Recognized as a Health Hazard

Though NutraSweet/aspartame has been shown in many studies to be dangerous, linked to a wide range of diseases such as cancer and diabetes and various emotional disorders (read "Articles on Aspartame" on Mercola.com or input "aspartame" into the Mercola.com search engine), Dr. Agatston actually encourages its use in The South Beach Diet.

Reason 6: Dangerous Misguidance on a Serious Trans-Fat Issue

Perhaps Dr. Agatston’s most significant oversight is his lack of understanding of trans fats. Early in the book he states that trans-fats are dangerous and need to be avoided, yet on page 54 he makes the outrageous claim that French fries and potato chips are healthier choices than baked potatoes because of the "fat in which they’re cooked." This is extremely dangerous misinformation, as French fries and potato chips tend to be profoundly high in trans fats and are amongst the unhealthiest foods on the planet.

I perceive this statement as irrefutable evidence of his nutritional ignorance. I can’t possibly imagine anyone with even a minimum amount of nutritional biochemical education making a recommendation like that. Although Dr. Agatston is a cardiologist as Dr. Atkins was, he was never part of the pioneering group of physicians who understood nutrition as it relates to health (which Atkins was). I have some disagreements with Dr. Atkins' program, but they are relatively minor compared to my objections with The South Beach Diet. Dr. Atkins would never have advocated eating French fries or potato chips. These foods are the toxic equivalent of a cigarette and should be avoided like the plague.

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...Reason 7: Even More Misguidance on Fats

Further displaying his lack of knowledge on fats, Dr. Agatston promotes the use of synthetic margarines like "I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter" (versus the healthier choice, real butter). He is not aware that the process of creating this type of margarine completely distorts the physical structure of its fats, making it nearly as dangerous as margarines that have trans-fats. He is apparently making this recommendation due to his phobia of saturated fat without realizing that, as mentioned above, some saturated fat -- such as healthy saturated fats that are found in raw organic butter and coconut oil -- are necessary for optimal health. Moreover, he classifies all unsaturated fats as healthy, obviously unaware that the high omega-6 unsaturated fat that causes a distortion of the omega 3:6 ratio is one of the major contributing factors to most chronic degenerative diseases.

Reason 8: The Lack of Nutritional Insight Can Be Carcinogenic!

Dr. Agaston continues to display his lack of nutritional awareness by advocating peanut butter on page 49 as a good source of monounsaturated fat and the polyphenolic bioflavanoid, resveratrol. While I am a fan of both of these nutritional items, it is very important to pay attention to the quality of the peanut butter, and the type of peanuts in general. He does advise to avoid peanut butters with added sugar and to use only all-natural peanut butter (though he ought to expand a bit on why -- peanuts are probably the crop most heavily sprayed with pesticides in the world, for instance). But he fails to mention one of the most serious peanut issues of all and make recommendations accordingly: most peanuts are very susceptible to contamination by afflatoxin, a carcinogenic mold spore, and so you should seek to restrict peanut butter (and any type of peanut product) consumption to Valencia peanuts only. This species grows in dry climates, which seriously restricts the growth of afflatoxin. Fortunately, Arrowhead Mills Organic Peanut Butter (which you can find in many stores now) meets both qualifications.

Reason 9: An Effective Diet Can Eliminate Dependency on Statins, but This One Does Not

Dr. Agatston is still absolutely unaware of the power of an optimized diet to normalize cholesterol, as he still takes a statin drug to lower his own cholesterol and is apparently unaware of the many dangers associated with statin drugs. It is quite possible to avoid statin drugs and supplements to normalize cholesterol levels, and my patients have experienced this success by following my own TOTAL HEALTH Program. I encourage Dr. Agatston to give my program a try as well so he can get off the statin drugs and avoid their risks.

Reason 10: Many Will Not Even Temporarily Lose Weight

The South Beach Diet is a one-size-fits-all diet that completely ignores the fact that we have different genetic requirements for optimal health ... one-size-fits-all diets never work for all, or even close to all. Because of their biochemistry, some people actually need a high carb diet (with limited or no grains), while others require the low-carb, high-protein diet that Dr. Atkins advocates.

This is the principle of "metabolic typing," and explains why one person will lose weight on a low-carb diet (though, as covered throughout this article, they may not necessarily improve their health or lose it permanently, unless it is a healthy low-carb diet) while another person will not lose any on the identical diet. To understand this principle in more detail and learn your own metabolic type so you can optimize your efforts at truly effective weight loss and improve your health while you are at it, I urge you to read "Modify Your Diet So You Feel Terrific" on Mercola.com, or type in "metabolic typing" on the Mercola.com search engine. You can also find a basic test to determine your specific type in my TOTAL HEALTH Program, or you can take my free online metabolic type test now!

The South Beach Diet also contains a serious lack of appropriate guidance on the Glycemic Index. Dr. Agatston relies on this index as a tool in weight loss, but I have found it anything besides useful, as it contains far, far too many exceptions to be of any value. A classic example is fructose, which has a very low glycemic index yet has been clearly established as a major reason why many people are overweight. If you follow Dr. Agaston’s advice in this regard you will be going down the weight gain path for sure. This is also an issue with some of the low glycemic index foods like chocolate, cherries, and apple juice, which we know should be avoided if you want to lose weight, yet would seem to have nearly unlimited access to if you follow The South Beach Diet.

Reason 11: Too Lax on the Exercise for Most Readers

Exercise is a critical part of any permanent weight loss regime, but Dr. Agatston’s advice on exercise is highly debatable. While I absolutely agree with his central thesis that we don’t need to train like an Olympic hopeful and that 20 minutes a day is sufficient, this advice is only for people who are already in shape. Most people in this country, and likely even a higher proportion of those reading a weight loss book, have developed a serious exercise deficiency and will need far higher levels of exercise to make a significant influence on up-regulating the body’s metabolic machinery to burn fats continuously, especially while one sleeps.

Reason 12: Most Will NOT Lose Weight Permanently with this Diet

The book is subtitled, The Delicious, Doctor-Designed, Foolproof Plan for Fast and Healthy Weight Loss, but I suspect many people buying the book care much more about the weight loss aspect than the "healthy" aspect. As you can figure out from points above, the diet has very little to do with improving your health anyway, and can lead you in the opposite direction.

Even in terms of losing weight, though, the book might succeed for some in the short-term like many fad diets, but most will not permanently lose weight. Agatston even alludes to this in the chapter entitled "Why Do People Occasionally Fail on This Diet?" though he seems to demonstrate just more lack of insight on the real "why" in that chapter.

By far the main reason most people will fail at losing weight permanently on this diet (and many other popular diets) is because no real solutions have been presented for the emotional challenges that come with dieting ... and those challenges are, far more than knowing what is right and wrong, the biggest challenges of all.

There are solutions to the emotional challenges such as cravings, food addictions, self-image issues and the other self-sabotaging behavior (I encourage you to search Mercola.com for more on this topic), so it is extremely distressing that in Dr. Agatston’s program -- and in this day and age in any dietary program -- these weren’t covered effectively.



In short, even if The South Beach Diet’s nutritional recommendations were solid -- and they are by no means solid -- without covering the emotional component, adherents to the diet are left with a void where some of the most important advice to them should be. Therefore, most who "swear by" the diet because it helped them shed a few pounds in the short-term will ultimately end up where they started before The South Beach Diet ... that is, desperate for real help and a prime target for yet another heavily marketed fad diet book promising the world but delivering
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Dr. Joseph Mercola is the founder of Mercola.com, the world’s most visited natural/alternative health website with over 36,000 pages of health information and the free Mercola.com health & wellness e-newsletter. He is also the director of The Optimal Wellness Center in Chicago, one of the nation’s leading natural health clinics, and a New York Times bestselling author whose latest book, TOTAL HEALTH Program, presents his entire renowned dietary health program. An Illinois licensed medical physician, he is trained in both conventional and natural healthcare, and has been in practice over two decades. Prior to The Optimal Wellness Center, he was Chairman of the Department of Family Practice at St. Alexius Hospital in Illinois for five years. He has been interviewed and profiled extensively for his health and dietary expertise, including ABC’s World News Tonight, CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, and Fox TV shows across the nation.[/font]


[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Brian Vaszily is the editorial director of Mercola.com and co-author of TOTAL HEALTH Program.[/font]


 
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It doesn't matter what diet you look at, the founders of that diet are going to give you all sorts of scientific proof why it's the best and you will also be able to find just as many lists from other professionals claiming why that particular diet is bunk. As far as I am concerned different people have success with different diets...my only suggestion is to do proper research before knocking something. Whether it be a diet, religion, or your preferance of transportation mode. Don't rely on second-hand information, regardless of origin.

The main problem that I have with the information provided by Dr. Mercola is that he is an Osteopath. Osteopaths can do all that Medical Doctor's do, yet their treatments tend to be natural, rather then relying on chemicals. I'm not knocking osteopathy or homeopathy, in fact I use homeopathic remedies for my allergies which work magnificently. But it is very common that osteopathics and MD's never ever see eye to eye on most issues.

Having read Dr. Agatston's book and then reading Dr. Mercola's comments I can see where if Dr. Mercola actually read the book he did so with preconcieved ideas and alot of his comments are actually in error.

Dr. Agatston makes it very clear that this is not a low-carb diet. Although it is low in processed and refined carbs it encourages the consumption of good carbs. As long as the right carbs are being chosen it can be a high-carb diet if that is what you want. While his recipes call for Equal, he does not specifiy that that has to be used, he even mentions that he prefers an artificial sweetener derived from sugar, such as Splenda. As far as the first reason to avoid the diet, the first 2 weeks which are phase 1 avoid all sugars and grains. By the end of these 2 weeks your blood chemistry will be in better health and you blood sugar levels will be in balance. It's also common knowledge that everybody is encouraged to talk to their doctor before beginning any diet routine and anybody with blood glucose problems definitely know to seek their physicians advice beforehand. As far as the peanut butter issue...Dr. Agatston actually does recommend all natural peanut butter...not for the same reasons, but it is what he suggests. The french fry comment was taken out of context as was the comment on fish consumption. As far as exercise goes, he mentions that the diet will work best if you exercise, but it's not dependent on working out all the time. Dr. Agatston explains that the strict eating guidelines in the first 2 weeks is to retrain your body chemistry to work properly again which will remove those nasty cravings which seem to make dieting nearly impossible.

I did not choose this diet based on any advertisements, in fact I was not actively looking for a diet. My mom heard about this from one of her clients, mentioned it to me, and I went to our local library and checked out the book. I was totally skeptical about it and didn't really see myself being able to do it. After reading the book and seeing how versatile it was I decided to try it. All I can tell you is that I am at the end of my second week, have lost a total of 6 pounds, have noticed a change in my clothes, and most importantly I feel better then I have in a very long time! As far as the cravings went, day 3 was the absolute worst for me and after that I didn't have any and I still don't.

All I can suggest for others is to read the book and decide for yourself. Just because it worked for me doesn't mean it will work for you. But I will point out that Dr. Agatston makes it very clear that this diet is versatile with the intent that it should work for different people.
 
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