Some honest answers please...

[AV1611VET]

Nope, you are merely changing the typical "once save always save" belief after the fact. Where was my error?

You didn't catch your error -- there's two.

You refuse to admit it after being shown -- there's three.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You didn't catch your error -- there's two.

You refuse to admit it after being shown -- there's three.

Wrong again. You redefined "once saved always saved", not my error.

Try again.

 

[AV1611VET]

Wrong again. You redefined "once saved always saved", not my error.

Try again.

What's the definition?

 

[Subduction Zone]

What's the definition?

I gave it when I posted it, that OSAS's tend to believe that they cannot sin. If someone sins they then use that to claim that they were never saved in the first place.

 

[AV1611VET]

I gave it when I posted it, that OSAS's tend to believe that they cannot sin. If someone sins they then use that to claim that they were never saved in the first place.

QV please:

The Bible teaches “once saved, always saved” -- that we can be saved once and for all only through a repentant, saving faith in Jesus Christ. Once a person has accepted Christ as Savior, they may wonder if it is possible to lose that salvation. What if they commit a sin? What if they commit a lot of sins? What if they do something very, very wrong? Is it possible to be saved, and then lose that salvation? Fortunately, the answer is a resounding “no.” Once a person has accepted Jesus Christ as Savior, he/she is forever saved. This fact is referred to as the doctrine of “eternal security,” often summarized as “once saved, always saved.”

SOURCE

 

[dad]

I would like to know some things from fello Christians...

Why is it that creationism vs evolution, flood vs no-flood, are concidered so important to the faith.

It is GOSPEL!

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

If you are a creationist,would you loose your faith if evolution was proven true tommorow? How would it change the way you see God?

Can't happen, evolution is a lie.

 

[Subduction Zone]

QV please:


SOURCE

QV please:


SOURCE

Now you have another problem. According to those standards there is no reason to think that those pastors that realized there error were not "saved".

 

[lesliedellow]

LOL ... just LOL.

Did I not just take flack for making a distinction between living in Heaven in a treehouse and living in Heaven in a mansion?

And you're right: I'm "once saved, always saved."

"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

So how do you set about making that say something other than it does say? Maintain that Jesus forgot to add, "and so will everybody who does not endure to the end?"

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is GOSPEL!

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Can't happen, evolution is a lie.

Nothing there about a mythical flood, or that evolution is not real either.

Try again.

 

[dad]

Nothing there about a mythical flood, or that evolution is not real either.

Try again.

Once we accept creation of earth and heavens, the rest follows. The OP mentioned creationism. That involves, for your info...creation.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Don't knock the gospel or pretend you know what was real.

Please dad, you are the last person that should try to order anyone to do anything regarding reality. You dropped reality many years ago.
And where did I "knock the Gospel"? You do realize that bearing false witness against your neighbor is sin, don't you?

 

[lesliedellow]

Once we accept creation of earth and heavens, the rest follows. The OP mentioned creationism. That involves, for your info...creation.

Every Christian believes that God created the universe. What they do not believe is that he did it in six days.

 

[dad]

Please dad, you are the last person that should try to order anyone to do anything regarding reality. You dropped reality many years ago.
And where did I "knock the Gospel"? You do realize that bearing false witness against your neighbor is sin, don't you?

I would say that when we knock creation, that is part of the gospel. Creation necessarily means that the universe and man did not evolve but were created.

 

[dad]

Every Christian believes that God created the universe. What they do not believe is that he did it in six days.

So Jesus didn't do it like the bible says? You think the angel was referring to evolution .. or how Genesis was wrong!?

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I would say that when we knock creation, that is part of the gospel. Creation necessarily means that the universe and man did not evolve but were created.

Knocking the myths of creationism is not mocking creation.

You committed an equivocation error.

Try again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So Jesus didn't do it like the bible says? You think the angel was referring to evolution .. or how Genesis was wrong!?

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Repeating an error only makes it worse, dad.

 

[lesliedellow]

I would say that when we knock creation, that is part of the gospel. Creation necessarily means that the universe and man did not evolve but were created.

Creation and evolution are not mutually exclusive. Anymore than God creating people, and somebody being the result of a biological process lasting nine months, are mutally exclusive.

 

[dad]

Knocking the myths of creationism is not mocking creation.

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

You think the angel was talking about myth?

 

[dad]

Creation and evolution are not mutually exclusive..

The bible and evolution are mutually exclusive. You thought it took millions of years for God to make woman out of a bone?

Anymore than God creating peope and somebody being the end product of a biological process lasting nine months are mutally exclusive.

God said multiply and set it up that babies took so long to grow. That has nothing to do with evolution.

 

[Subduction Zone]

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

You think the angel was talking about myth?

The angel did not even speak about the Genesis myths at all in that verse.

Once again, you are making an Equivocation Error. If you don't know what that is you could always ask.