Solution to the creation/evolution debate...?

[SelfSim]

How did they get past the flaming sword?

With a flamin' fire hose?

 

[coffee4u]

Well, for right now, I'm just going to agree to disagree with you for right now, etc, OK...

God Bless!

That's okay I can respect that.

 

[coffee4u]

Reading the verse carefully, not just "all Scripture is God-breathed", the context does not seem to be about teaching science, technology or even secular history for that matter, but about teaching righteousness and good works.

This is what people get mixed up. The Bible doesn't have to teach science; science is man's attempt at understanding the world through observation and experiment.

The Bible on the other hand is revealed truth. God doesn't have to come up with a hypothesis as an explanation for a phenomenon. He explained as much as he wanted to without giving details or reasons. He told us the truth but mankind would rather ignore that and try and come up with his own truth. Just as they did from the very first, people question God's word and go with Satan's religion of self.
"Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
Which is what Satanism really is, the religion of self. The fulfillment of self, the complete focus on oneself. Ones own feelings, ones own intellect, ones own pride.
5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
In fact to view oneself as a type of god, to be like God. Which of course is what got Satan tossed out of heaven in the first place. Humanity has not changed.

While the Bible's main aim is to bring people to repentance, to trust in God, useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, the Bible also reveals things about history as well as the future.

 

[SelfSim]

.. people question God's word and go with Satan's religion of self.

Yikes! .. So I'm a Satanist then?
I had no idea ..

Which is what Satanism really is, the religion of self. The fulfillment of self, the complete focus on oneself. Ones own feelings, ones own intellect, ones own pride.

Its a pity that the results derived from testing the hypothesis that it may well have been the evolving human mind which came up with the meanings of concepts like 'reality', 'existence', 'belief', (and every other term we use), overwhelmingly confirm that hypothesis, by producing abundant evidence for it then, eh?
Such an inconvenient truth, that must be for you, then?

 

[coffee4u]

Yikes! .. So I'm a Satanist then?
I had no idea ..

That's up to you isn't it.
Matthew 12:30
Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.

Its a pity that the results derived from testing the hypothesis that it may well have been the evolving human mind which came up with the meanings of concepts like 'reality', 'existence', 'belief', (and every other term we use), overwhelmingly confirm that hypothesis, by producing abundant evidence for it then, eh?
Such an inconvenient truth, that must be for you, then?

No actually it's the spirit, but I am not here to argue. You are free to dismiss which you will.
Have a nice day.

 

[SelfSim]

.. I am not here to argue.

All cool .. (neither am I).

 

[trophy33]

This is what people get mixed up. The Bible doesn't have to teach science; science is man's attempt at understanding the world through observation and experiment.

The Bible on the other hand is revealed truth. God doesn't have to come up with a hypothesis as an explanation for a phenomenon. He explained as much as he wanted to without giving details or reasons. He told us the truth but mankind would rather ignore that and try and come up with his own truth. Just as they did from the very first, people question God's word and go with Satan's religion of self.
"Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
Which is what Satanism really is, the religion of self. The fulfillment of self, the complete focus on oneself. Ones own feelings, ones own intellect, ones own pride.
5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
In fact to view oneself as a type of god, to be like God. Which of course is what got Satan tossed out of heaven in the first place. Humanity has not changed.

While the Bible's main aim is to bring people to repentance, to trust in God, useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, the Bible also reveals things about history as well as the future.

People the Genesis was written to, were not thinking scientifically, but mytologically. They wanted to see relationships between things and meaning in the creation. They did not care at all about what we care about today - how it exactly happened or what is the chemistry of our bodies.

And Genesis was given to them in the language they understood and expected. We cannot read it with today's view (we like technical, materialistic descriptions). Its a dramatical poetry, a story. They loved stories.

This is a good video about it:

 

[TLK Valentine]

This post is going to be about both creation and evolution being true or being a reality, based on this thread (below) and starting with some of my more recent posts in it (below)...

Genesis and Creation, Days are long "ages" ect...?

Genesis 1 to Genesis 2:4 it is describing a literal history of an entire creation from beginning to end, days 1 through 7... And in or after Genesis 2:4 or starting with Genesis 2:5, it begins to to describe "it" in detail now or this time, beginning with everything that was happening with (the two races of) man and the land animals/beasts on day 6...

The whole of all the rest of the Bible (after Genesis 2:4) and even up to now, is all on day 6, and day 6 only, etc...

Day 7 begins after Armageddon or after Jesus returns to set up His Kingdom or rule and reign on earth, and that day will last until the end of this whole creations age final ending, etc...

The Garden of Eden was a special creation located in a specific region on the earth, and was populated with what would eventually become the race of the Sons of God both during and afterwards, etc, but that race, once they started encountering and began intermixing with the sons and daughters of men, were all but wiped out by the flood, which happened in the specific region of Mesopotamia, (where the original Son's of God were dwelling after the fall and after getting kicked out of the Garden), Anyway, were all but wiped out by a/the flood that happened there around 5700 BC, with only Noah and his family, and maybe Cain, remaining after that, etc, and they then eventually had no choice but to begin intermixing and interbreeding with the sons and daughters or men, or the other lesser race of man, after which their race and/or bloodline dwindled, or was made less, and became all but lost and/or gone after that, etc...

The original Sons of God, are called "just men made perfect", etc, but were of a different race or bloodline historically, etc, and began interbreeding with the other lesser race of man/men, etc, which in turn caused God to bring about the flood in their region, and wipe almost all of them out, etc...

And they lived perfectly, or their society was perfect really, but their great egotism and arrogance, resulted in them acting very wickedly, and when they began mixing with, and even interbreeding/crossbreeding with, the lesser race of man/men, etc, God had "had enough", etc, and that was "the last straw" concerning them for Him, etc, and so He decided to wipe out almost all of them from the face of the earth at that point, etc...

And then great egotism and/or arrogance persisted even yet again after the flood with the new race that had populated/re-populated there, etc, when they built the Tower of Babel, etc, when they then made or had caused God to have "had enough" yet again, etc, and the rest of that story you/me/we know, etc...

And it just seemed to keep happening again and again after that, etc...

But forget about about the whole arrogance/egotism of man and/or Sons of God for a minute, but let's just discuss the whole creation/evolution debate with what I just said, etc...

Questions so far...?

Discuss...?

God Bless!

I'm afraid you're wasting your time... anything other than an absolutely literal first three chapters of Genesis will be utterly unacceptable (and heretical) to the Creationists.

 

[TLK Valentine]

This is what people get mixed up. The Bible doesn't have to teach science; science is man's attempt at understanding the world through observation and experiment.

And it works.

The Bible on the other hand is revealed truth. God doesn't have to come up with a hypothesis as an explanation for a phenomenon. He explained as much as he wanted to without giving details or reasons.

But we want details and reasons... and we have the means to find them.

He told us the truth but mankind would rather ignore that and try and come up with his own truth. Just as they did from the very first, people question God's word and go with Satan's religion of self.
"Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

Serpent, not Satan...

And maybe Genesis 3 shouldn't be your go-to here... because even the Bible says that everything the serpent said in Genesis 3:5 came true a mere two verses later.

If the Serpent is Satan, and Satan is a liar, he won this round by telling the truth. Is that the lesson you want to teach here?

Which is what Satanism really is, the religion of self. The fulfillment of self, the complete focus on oneself. Ones own feelings, ones own intellect, ones own pride.

And (I'm just referring to LaVey's Satanism) it makes no attempt to hide or lie about this fact. Once again, truth.

5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
In fact to view oneself as a type of god, to be like God. Which of course is what got Satan tossed out of heaven in the first place. Humanity has not changed.

While the Bible's main aim is to bring people to repentance, to trust in God, useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, the Bible also reveals things about history as well as the future.

History, to be sure -- if one is willing to separate the grain from the chaff.
Future? Very iffy.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

It's going to require some faith no matter what, etc...

But I can explain the possibility at least, very, very logically, etc...

But and/or because, just being able to follow what I am saying logically, is not absolute proof, etc...

Nobody expects proof, let alone absolute proof (whatever that is!), but what you've provided is so far is not logical argument but a mixture of unsupported assertion and pure speculation.

 

[Neogaia777]

Nobody expects proof, let alone absolute proof (whatever that is!), but what you've provided is so far is not logical argument but a mixture of unsupported assertion and pure speculation.

Really...?

How so...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Nobody expects proof, let alone absolute proof (whatever that is!), but what you've provided is so far is not logical argument but a mixture of unsupported assertion and pure speculation.

Oh, and, I'm not really looking to argue, but just present a possibility, etc...

God Bless!

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

The activity of God the Son at that time, will be a period of rest for God the Spirit, until the end of this entire creations age, etc...

Why would an omnipotent deity need rest?

 

[Neogaia777]

I'm afraid you're wasting your time... anything other than an absolutely literal first three chapters of Genesis will be utterly unacceptable (and heretical) to the Creationists.

Worth a shot...

If not to the Creationists, then maybe some of the people on the other side of the isle maybe, etc...?

God Bless!

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Really...?

How so...?

Yes, really. Because your arguments are not logical ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Neogaia777]

Why would an omnipotent deity need rest?

God the Father requires no rest, or has been resting this whole time...

Depends on how you look at it, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Yes, really. Because your arguments are not logical ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

They are probably much, much closer to a more logical possibility than many of you have maybe heard from some others or many others on here thus far, or in a very long time, etc...?

And also again, I would also maybe ask you yet again also, "How so"...?

Because you still have yet to answer that most basic simple question beyond just saying so, etc...?

And, also, and as I also just said to you just now previously also, I'm not here to argue also, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Why would an omnipotent deity need rest?

God the Spirit will rest on the seventh day because Jesus will be taking over until the end of this entire creations age, and God the Spirit's work will have been finished and/or completed or done, etc...

At least until the beginning of a new age, etc...

God Bless!

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

They are probably much, much closer to a more logical possibility than many of you have maybe heard from some others or many others on here thus far, or in a very long time, etc...?

No, not really.

And also again, I would also maybe ask you yet again also, "How so"...?

Because you still have yet to answer that most basic simple question beyond just saying so, etc...?

Ah, sorry, I thought you knew what a logical argument was. You did not support your proposition with reasonable premises from which it would naturally follow by inference or deduction. Does that help?

And, also, and as I also just said to you just now previously also, I'm not here to argue also, etc.

I smell an equivocation of 'argue'... I don't mean 'having a fractious debate', but 'supporting a proposition with reasonable premises'.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Worth a shot...

If not to the Creationists, then maybe some of the people on the other side of the isle maybe, etc...?

God Bless!

The "other side" would be the more scientifically-minded... they're convinced by new facts, not by new and creative means to interpret old facts.