Solution to the creation/evolution debate...?

[Tanj]

Well, first off, why don't you just simply tell me why it isn't

I told you why. Bacteria predate plants by about 2 billion years.

And then secondly, maybe also tell me exactly where it is that you are thinking I am having a lack of understanding maybe also, etc...?

Any aspect of biology.

And I'll just ignore your comment about "hubris", etc, because I am not a proud man, etc

Then explain it to me. What is it? You have no understanding of any aspect of this science. On what basis do you think you magically found a solution?

Let me turn it around. How would you feel if I wandered in as an atheist of 50 years that hasn't looked at a bible ion any of that time to tell you what Christianity was, or wasn't, or what it means to be saved?

 

[Neogaia777]

@Tanj

Look, I know I lumped them all together, etc, but that's only because I was only trying to describe what happened or took place on day 3, etc...

But is it not true that life began with very, very simple plant life, and certain single-celled organisms or bacteria's, and simple amino-acids and/or proteins, etc...?

Or perhaps more correctly, and without lumping them all together, that certain amino-acids first formed and/or combined with certain single-celled proteins to form the very first and most basic starts/forms of "life", etc, and/or leading to all the rest I just now mentioned, etc...?

Or am I wrong about that, etc...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Then explain it to me. What is it? You have no understanding of any aspect of this science. On what basis do you think you magically found a solution?

It is true I am no expert, and that I have not been in school in a long time, but I think I have more than enough general understanding/knowledge of it to be able to describe "this", or to be doing what it is I am doing right now, etc...

Let me turn it around. How would you feel if I wandered in as an atheist of 50 years that hasn't looked at a bible ion any of that time to tell you what Christianity was, or wasn't, or what it means to be saved?

Ah, now I think I understand, I got too close to the truth and struck a nerve I guess, and that is the reason for your "protest", etc...

Well, I do 100% sincerely apologize for that and am sorry, OK...

Feel better now...?

God Bless!

 

[coffee4u]

It's much older than just only 6 days or 6,000 years old, and if it's not, then God is guilty of deception, which I will not believe, etc...

I completely disagree for a few reasons.

Firstly we know God cannot lie.
Titus 1:2


2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
I am sure both of us can agree on this point.

With the first point in mind the second is that all scripture is God breathed. There is nothing in scripture that is untrue or there by accident or simply written down by men who were as one person put it 'written by ignorant goat herders'
2 Timothy 3:16-17


16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Third you have not just Genesis but dozens of scriptures throughout both the Old and the New testaments all in harmony with a literal reading.
Exodus 20

The Ten Commandments
20 And God spoke all these words:
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
When people claim Genesis means something else, I say okay show me from scripture exactly how God wants it to be read. What scriptures do you have to support the claim that Genesis should be read as an allegory/parable/symbolism and why isn't a literal reading a valid view point? From scripture. If someone claims a piece of scripture is meant to be read a certain way the claim need scriptural backing. I've yet to see any.

Forth instead of assuming that God is deceptive why not assume man is deceptive? Why do people assume science is true at all? Did they see dinosaurs turn into birds? Did they view the Big bang? The world as God created it isn't here to be looked at or measured or be evaluated in any way. All mankind has is the world as it is now; a fallen groaning corrupted world, yet makes makes claims to a time he can't ever see, touch, sample or experience and says it is a fact. To me this is the arrogance of man, the deceptiveness of man and it has nothing to do with what God made. God didn't deceive anyone, the world simply changed radically from what he created to what it is now.

Genesis can be read literally and trusted as can all of scripture. If someone would rather believe the words of men who weren't there and didn't see who have never sampled what the created world was then that is on them, but the claims of men do not make God deceptive.
Romans 3:4
Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”

 

[Neogaia777]

@Tanj

But I also feel like I should not be apologizing at all, etc, not when considering what most of you Atheists have been doing to most Christians and/or Christianity over the years, etc...

I think you just don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot, or when the tables are turned, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Tanj]

It is true I am no expert

You are not even a beginner.

Ah, now I think I understand, I got too close to the truth and struck a nerve I guess, and that is the reason for your "protest", etc...

Again with the hubris.

 

[Neogaia777]

I completely disagree.

Well, for right now, I'm just going to agree to disagree with you for right now, etc, OK...

God Bless!

 

[trophy33]

With the first point in mind the second is that all scripture is God breathed. There is nothing in scripture that is untrue or there by accident or simply written down by men who were as one person put it 'written by ignorant goat herders'
2 Timothy 3:16-17


16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Reading the verse carefully, not just "all Scripture is God-breathed", the context does not seem to be about teaching science, technology or even secular history for that matter, but about teaching righteousness and good works.

 

[Neogaia777]

You are not even a beginner.

Again with the hubris.

And this is "all you have" I see...?

I'm not programmed to respond to insults, etc...

When you want to continue and actual conversation about this, let me know, OK...

God Bless!

 

[Shemjaza]

Day 7- The age or era of the rule and reign of Christ on earth and the setting up of God's Kingdom on earth which Christ will now lead, results or consequences of the fall are restored or fixed, (and we go back to being vegetarians again, etc), and this age will last until the end of the entire earth and the universe as we know it, etc, and then comes the very last final judgement of all, etc, and then a whole entire new one (creation) will be started and/or made over again, in which those who are truly saved by the end of it all will get to take part in (again), etc...

Doesn't sound very restful.

I looked at the debate with a search for truth.

Nobody can prove the age of the universe or evolution, these are only speculations not based on factual evidence, rather it is just a best guess of how everything unfolded.

THIS is what they fail to tell you. They don't tell you that it's proven just like how it's proven that the universe is made out of atoms.

Notice when they say the age of the Earth or Universe, these are only estimates, and what they THINK how old it is based off tools they used to measure it, not what they KNOW. It's not concrete hard evidence. Notice how science is always constantly changing? Back then they thought light was a wave, but it's actually a very tiny particle.

Back then they thought the Earth was much younger, and then changed it by a huge amount.

Best guesses, and estimates are not knowledge.

Justifiable conclusions from consistent evidence and explanation seems like an excellent description of knowledge.

The scientific conclusions about age of the Earth is a good example of something that is based on factual evidence. As more evidence is gathered then the conclusions are re-assessed and updated.

Without that system of checking and confirming I fail to see how you can justify conclusions without just using the subjective preferences of individual people.

 

[Neogaia777]

Doesn't sound very restful.

The activity of God the Son at that time, will be a period of rest for God the Spirit, until the end of this entire creations age, etc...

After which, it will all begin again, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

The activity of God the Son at that time, will be a period of rest for God the Spirit, until the end of this entire creations age, etc...

After which, it will all begin again, etc...

God Bless!

@Shemjaza

And it will be much more pleasant for the rest of us who get to take part in it, etc...

God Bless!

 

[ruthiesea]

I order to end the evolution/creation debate you must first accept that Hashem wrote neither a history nor a science book.

 

[Griff340]

This post is going to be about both creation and evolution being true or being a reality, ____________ let's just discuss the whole creation/evolution debate with what I just said, etc...

Questions so far...?

Discuss...?

God Bless!

I'm not sure if this is the kind of thing you mean. I believe God built the foundation of life according to their kinds.... If every thing is built-up of atoms did God start by first creating them (Colossians 1:16)? By throwing a cocktail of protons and neutrons on the table so to speak. If it was created in such a way, and electrons are what makes atoms react with each other to create something new (such as an element) did he hold these back for when he wanted to build the foundations of his other creations, such as the plants, animals and fruits according to their kinds? (Psalm 102;25 ~ Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth, And the heavens are the works of your hands. Hebrews 1:10) This is also where I believe God has allowed for evolution. By building the foundations of life according to their kinds (plants, animals, etc) he allowed them room to grow and change, creating new species etc.

 

[Neogaia777]

I'm not sure if this is the kind of thing you mean. I believe God built the foundation of life according to their kinds.... If every thing is built-up of atoms did God start by first creating them (Colossians 1:16)? By throwing a cocktail of protons and neutrons on the table so to speak. If it was created in such a way, and electrons are what makes atoms react with each other to create something new (such as an element) did he hold these back for when he wanted to build the foundations of his other creations, such as the plants, animals and fruits according to their kinds? (Psalm 102;25 ~ Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth, And the heavens are the works of your hands. Hebrews 1:10) This is also where I believe God has allowed for evolution. By building the foundations of life according to their kinds (plants, animals, etc) he allowed them room to grow and change, creating new species etc.

I believe that God created the universe from the beginning deterministcally or according to an already set predetermined path or course deterministcally from the very beginning, and this would include the very first formation of atoms that then developed and/or evolved into more complex and complicated elements over time, etc...

Is that at all what you mean, etc...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

I order to end the evolution/creation debate you must first accept that Hashem wrote neither a history nor a science book.

But it should not directly contradict a history or science book (or idea or concept) that is factual, etc...

Which has been what many have been led to believe it does, and/or is doing or has done, over the years, etc...

And that is mainly the fault of the many in the much more "religious" crowd over the years, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

I believe that God created the universe from the beginning deterministcally or according to an already set predetermined path or course deterministcally from the very beginning, and this would include the very first formation of atoms that then developed and/or evolved into more complex and complicated elements over time, etc...

Is that at all what you mean, etc...?

God Bless!

I am speaking of God the Father in this case right here and right now though, etc...

In always fully knowing always how it was all deterministically going to go, etc...

God Bless!

 

[AV1611VET]

Day 7 begins after Armageddon or after Jesus returns to set up His Kingdom or rule and reign on earth, and that day will last until the end of this whole creations age final ending, etc...

Do you subscribe to the Millennial Sabbath Theory?

 

[AV1611VET]

Day 1 and 2- The creation of the universe, formation of stars/planets, solar systems, etc,

"Formation"?

 

[AV1611VET]

The Garden of Eden was a special creation located in a specific region on the earth, and was populated with what would eventually become the race of the Sons of God both during and afterwards, etc,

How did they get past the flaming sword?

Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.