Solution to the creation/evolution debate...?

[Astrid]

It should be obvious that the theory of evolution is against scripture.

Most of your questions are answered in the video. Found the video on another site (looks like the previous link has been censored):
Dinosaurs Never Existed ⁣[Eric Dubay]

Against your chosen reading of the bible.

It is so simple to go forth and prove to yourself
that dinosaur fossils are as real as rain. It would
take some time and effort but, what worthwhile things
dont?

If it matters to you to get things right,
this has been a grave error on your
part- to deny your God's work.

 

[FullMoon]

If it matters to you to get things right,
this has been a grave error on your
part- to deny your God's work.

God never created dinosaurs. I'm not denying God's work, I'm rejecting man's delusions.

 

[Astrid]

Things get worse over time, lies beget more lies. In the beginning, everyone understood the obvious truth, over time people became skeptical. Lies were introduced, and now the majority don't believe in creation. Of course there are those who know the truth but willingly spread lies. Sadly, not everyone seeks the truth.

It has been disproved many times, it just gets censored.

People are indoctrinated and they don't question it, they just repeat what they are told. Majority are easily peer pressured.

I don't claim to, nor do I want to. I only want to know reality and what is logical.

IF that is true, that you really- really want to know,
that is a terrific start.
When one sets out to honestly seek the truth,
one must temporarily set aside their pteconceived ideas,
and just look at the evidence.

I was fortunate, that as undergrad in the USA
I was invited to work in the paleo lab at the uni.

Specifically, with dinosaur bones.

These ones were from W. Texas. I had two opportunitirs to
go to the field and look.
You find pieces of broken bone scatteted on the
ground, but the ones of interest are intact and buried.
The rock there is pretty tough so its a job getting
things weighing hundreds of lbs out of the ground
and into the lab. For a big complete skeleton
its a very big excavation!
The bones are always broken into hundreds of pieces,
by earth movements over the many years.

My job was patiently chipping away rock to expose
the bone, and expoxy the pieces back together.

The pieces of bone all have the cell structure
still nicely intact, btw. Break a piece open,
there is the cell structure.

That last might be one of the easiest things to
see for yourself, depending on where you live.

Ask if you could see some fossil bones.

 

[Astrid]

God never created dinosaurs. I'm not denying God's work, I'm rejecting man's delusions.

And you are sure you are immune to error? See " pride"!

Do as i suggested. You will learn much re who misled who.

 

[TLK Valentine]

It should be obvious that the theory of evolution is against scripture.

Against a literal interpretation of Genesis, to be sure.

But it should be far more obvious that a literal interpretation of Genesis is against observable reality.

Pop quiz: guess whose problem that isn't?

Most of your questions are answered in the video.

If none of them can be answered by you, then I have no reason to believe you when you're promoting videos.

(Psst... There are forum rules against Spam, btw)

 

[TLK Valentine]

God never created dinosaurs. I'm not denying God's work, I'm rejecting man's delusions.

But of course.

Ok, bottom line -- is this a salvation issue?

Is a Christian who believes in the existence of dinosaurs getting into Heaven -- yes or no?

 

[AV1611VET]

Is a Christian who believes in the existence of dinosaurs getting into Heaven -- yes or no?

Why is a school of Tyrannus mentioned in the Bible?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Things get worse over time, lies beget more lies. In the beginning, everyone understood the obvious truth, over time people became skeptical. Lies were introduced, and now the majority don't believe in creation. Of course there are those who know the truth but willingly spread lies. Sadly, not everyone seeks the truth.

So creation is a special case? Because the history of science demonstrably tells the opposite story, that folk understanding was mistaken and that careful empirical investigation produced better explanations that worked.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Why is a school of Tyrannus mentioned in the Bible?

Yes or no will do, AV?

 

[AV1611VET]

Is a Christian who believes in the existence of dinosaurs getting into Heaven -- yes or no?

Why is a school of Tyrannus mentioned in the Bible?

Yes or no will do, AV?

Yes.

I'll say YES.

Otherwise, I'm in big trouble!

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes.

I'll say YES.

Otherwise, I'm in big trouble!

Great -- so that's at least one vote that believing in dinosaurs is not an obstacle for getting into Heaven.

So... what's the problem? On the assumption that AV is correct (always a leap of faith, granted), then the dinosaur issue isn't going to keep anyone out of Hell, and serves no purpose but to turn away intelligent people who might otherwise pursue Christianity.

The heart cannot accept what the mind rejects.

 

[AV1611VET]

On the assumption that AV is correct (always a leap of faith, granted), then the dinosaur issue isn't going to keep anyone out of Hell, and serves no purpose but to turn away intelligent people who might otherwise pursue Christianity.

What do you mean by "dinosaur issue"?

 

[TLK Valentine]

What do you mean by "dinosaur issue"?

ask @FullMoon

 

[Shemjaza]

Sounds to me like they were not taking Genesis literally to begin with. If they were, they wouldn't be thinking of the flood happening on a globe.

Can you clarify what you mean here?

Is it that the Great Flood happened to a different world that was not a globe, or that this world is not a globe?



Regardless, the shape of the Earth isn't particularly relevant to the point that a flood that covered the world over the tops of mountains and killed all the people and animals would have left significant evidence that is not observed.

An acceptance of a globe shaped Earth predates Christianity.

 

[FullMoon]

Is it that the Great Flood happened to a different world that was not a globe, or that this world is not a globe?

This world is not a globe.

Regardless, the shape of the Earth isn't particularly relevant to the point that a flood that covered the world over the tops of mountains and killed all the people and animals would have left significant evidence that is not observed.

Could you give examples of what you would expect to see? I suspect that the grounds have shifted and most things have been washed into the deep seas. It would make sense that God didn't want things from the old world to remain.

An acceptance of a globe shaped Earth predates Christianity.

I don't think this is correct. Please provide support for this. I'm sure at the time of the Messiah, people knew the earth is flat.

 

[Shemjaza]

This world is not a globe.

That is not supported by evidence.

I'm happy to participate in a separate discussion about the shape of the Earth in another thread if you start one.

This is obviously not definitive... but it's interesting that despite a common accusation that NASA is an atheistic or Satanic organisation, they chose to have a reading from the Book of Genesis transmitted from Apollo 8.

Could you give examples of what you would expect to see? I suspect that the grounds have shifted and most things have been washed into the deep seas. It would make sense that God didn't want things from the old world to remain.

When floods occur they create continuous layers of devastation with sorting only by mass of the material churned up... they also destroy delicate or soluble land structures.

A flood higher than mountains would do this on a scale vaster than any tsunami.

We don't see that... we do see structures consistent with a much more ancient Earth with many, many separate smaller floods and events.

I don't think this is correct. Please provide support for this. I'm sure at the time of the Messiah, people knew the earth is flat.

Eratosthenes and Cleomedes had demonstrated the scale of the Earth before that time and it was common knowledge in the Greek speaking world... including first century Israel.

 

[FullMoon]

Ok, bottom line -- is this a salvation issue?

Not directly. I expect that as one grows in their faith, a more literal understanding of scripture would be adopted. As that happens, they would see the lies for what they are and reject them. When it comes to faith, as long as they are heading in that direction, it should be fine. We don't know all the truth there is, but as more truth is revealed, we are to accept them. Love for truth is important and allows us to avoid deception.

Is a Christian who believes in the existence of dinosaurs getting into Heaven -- yes or no?

There is no "getting into Heaven" but entering the Kingdom of God which will be established on the earth (the fifth Kingdom mentioned in Daniel; earth is made for man). As to your question, its not a simple yes/no answer (see my previous point). I don't think it would be an issue to anyone who is growing in faith, loves truth, and is led by God's spirit.

 

[FullMoon]

This is obviously not definitive... but it's interesting that despite a common accusation that NASA is an atheistic or Satanic organisation, they chose to have a reading from the Book of Genesis transmitted from Apollo 8.

WikiLeaks released a fake Moon landing! Cut scenes filmed in Nevada desert!
https://www.bit(-)chute.com/video/MQwFRoCvLvAz/
Note: remove "(-)" from link

 

[Shemjaza]

WikiLeaks released a fake Moon landing! Cut scenes filmed in Nevada desert!
https://www.bit(-)chute.com/video/MQwFRoCvLvAz/
Note: remove "(-)" from link

Odd claim, no direct supporting evidence. Can you link to the actual wiki leaks leak of it not just a conspiracy video making claims about it?

It's also completely irrelevant to the point that NASA used their mission to promote Christianity.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Not directly. I expect that as one grows in their faith, a more literal understanding of scripture would be adopted.

The experience of millions of Christians around the world proves you wrong.

As that happens, they would see the lies for what they are and reject them.

Seems to be moving in the opposite direction -- the dino-deniers are and remain a tiny and laughed-at minority.

When it comes to faith, as long as they are heading in that direction, it should be fine. We don't know all the truth there is, but as more truth is revealed, we are to accept them. Love for truth is important and allows us to avoid deception.

Well, Jesus hasn't said anything about dinosaurs, so what's the problem?

There is no "getting into Heaven" but entering the Kingdom of God which will be established on the earth (the fifth Kingdom mentioned in Daniel; earth is made for man). As to your question, its not a simple yes/no answer (see my previous point). I don't think it would be an issue to anyone who is growing in faith, loves truth, and is led by God's spirit.

So belief in dinos (or lack thereof) is irrelevant. Thank you for distracting us.