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Homosexual acts are inhuman.
Advocating the death penalty based on someone's sexual orientation is inhuman.
And if your God is responsible for creation, he's downright sadistic for creating them that way, only to be killed due to the way he made them.
No it isn't. No evidence exists that nurture plays any role in sexual orientation. The gay brain is physically structured differently, and the structures that are different are nearly fully developed by birth.1: The jury is still out on whether or not homophilia is completely genetic; completely a product of nature and nurture, or a combination of the two.
Psalm 139:132: Even IF a decision is eventually reached, that it IS completely genetic, it still would not mean that homophilia is part of God's purpose, just as people being born with other genetic diseases does not prove that those diseases were part of the plan, either.
No it isn't. No evidence exists that nurture plays any role in sexual orientation. The gay brain is physically structured differently, and the structures that are different are nearly fully developed by birth.
How do you know that it isn't part of God's purpose? Maybe you're wrong, and God created gays for a very specific purpose that you don't understand.
And thus, the two of you can go on yelling "Inhuman!!!" about eachother. Let us adults know when you're finished.
1: The jury is still out on whether or not homophilia is completely genetic; completely a product of nature and nurture, or a combination of the two.
2: Even IF a decision is eventually reached, that it IS completely genetic, it still would not mean that homophilia is part of God's purpose, just as people being born with other genetic diseases does not prove that those diseases were part of the plan, either.
3: There is no logical route from: "Uganda passes this law" (which I hope they won't - at least not one penalizing the mere fact that someone's a homophiliac) to "God wanted this to happen".
We're finished, and my opinion was backed by ethical behaviour.
The only source of disagreement is from people like yourself who have no idea what they're talking about, and are biased by their religious views written by men who also had no idea what they were talking about.
So God's purpose is to infect them with a condition he has labelled is an abomination, with the side effect of his righteous followers targeting that person as someone to oppress or kill outright? Is that your idea of a loving being?
[/quote]Apart from the Biblical passages that tell people to kill homosexuals that are being used to justify this law that is.....
Gay brains structured like those of the opposite sex - life - 16 June 2008 - New ScientistPeer-reviewed source?
This is so patently absurd it doesn't deserve a response, but why would God want us to have sex with rotting corpses? Do you have a rational argument for that?How do you know that necrophilia isn't part of God's purpose?
You've already been shown your understanding of the Biblical verses are wrong. The Torah does not condemn homosexuals, because lesbians are homosexual and never mentioned in the Torah. Countless Christians disagree with you on this. There is no singular PoV. Even many of the early church fathers said you're wrong as do most scholars.Easy: God (in the only sources of revelation He's given to us: The Torah, and, from a Christian POV, Jesus the Messiah) has said very clearly that sexuality is man + woman. Not man + man, man + corpse, woman + corpse, woman + woman, etc.
In God, there is no darkness at all, and though He can certainly turn evil to useful purposes, once the evil has been committed, He is not evil, and does no evil.
Your behavior in this thread has hardly been "ethical", in any but the widest stretch of the word.
"If someone disagrees with me, it's because he doesn't know what he's talking about, and if he DOES know what he's talking about, then he doesn't agree with me".
The infantilism is strong with this one....
1: Unless you can show me someone in this thread who's suggested killing gays, you can take your red herring and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.
mindlight said:The people of Uganda are quite clear about the wrongness of homosexual acts and have chosen to deal with it with the death penalty. There is nothing immoral about that.
mindlight said:Throughout the bible homosexual practice is regarded as a symptom of spiritual degeneration and one of those detestable practices of the nations which the Hebrew peoples were to set themselves apart from for instance.
Judges19 v 11 - 20 v 48
1 Kings 14:24;15:12;22:46
The law in Leviticus is very clear about what God thinks about homosexual practice:
Originally Posted by Leviticus 18 v 22; 20 v 13Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.......If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
2: Saying: "Homophilia isn't moral" isn't "oppression". And if you think it is, you do not have the first inkling of an understanding of what that word means.
So, if I piece and choose enough of your combined posts into sentences, saying: "Muslims .... are dangerous .... go ... kill.... muslims", it would be logical to assume you wanted people to go kill muslims, because you've just said so in the various pieces of your various posts I put together; however stripped from their context they were?
You have misquoted and apparently misunderstood me but Germany was punished for the deeper spiritual degeneration that was evident in both the toleration of homosexuality in the Weimar Republic and the holocaust of the Jews during the time of the Nazis.
But you still miss the point. I understand that you object to the moral cases raised by most religious people against homosexuality. But again and again you have failed to argue a positive case for it. This shows me the emptiness of your position and implies that your real agenda is a rejection of religion and religious values. You war against God but you do not fight for anything positive.
The death penalty for homosexual actions is something that the Torah upholds and a great many religious Jews argue for. The people of Uganda are quite clear about the wrongness of homosexual acts and have chosen to deal with it with the death penalty. There is nothing immoral about that.
I've read some incredibly heartless things on CF, but this surely is the worst. Sickening.
The death penalty for homosexual actions is something that the Torah upholds and a great many religious Jews argue for. The people of Uganda are quite clear about the wrongness of homosexual acts and have chosen to deal with it with the death penalty. There is nothing immoral about that.
It is sickening. And to think that religion claims rights over morality, whilst promoting such blind hatred.I've read some incredibly heartless things on CF, but this surely is the worst. Sickening.
There are few things more immoral in the world. It's utterly inhuman.
2) And society also does not want to witness homosexual "marriage".
Did you ever stop to think the Scripture might be evil?
Humans are indeed part of the animal kingdom. I don't get how you find that demeaning?
The same book also says the penalty for being an unruly child is death.
As such, when you were a child I'm sure there were times you were unruly. There is no statute of limitations set out in Jewish law, so I'm assuming you are ok if we take you out to the edge of town and stone you to death for your immorality as a child?
I ignore them because there is no evidence your God exists, nor is there any evidence a persons biology has changed because of their religious belief. (Note Biology does not equal Behaviour)
No he confesses to being bisexual in his attractions and it seems that he has masturbated in the presence of other men for instance but there is no evidence, that I am aware of, of physical contact sex with other men. Despite the scandals, hypocrisy and clear deceits that he has been guilty of he did commit himself to a process of renewal, he remained committed to his wife with whom he has had 5 kids. I doubt if he and I would differ on the biblical case against homosexual practice but clearly this is something he has had to struggle with and to a considerable extent in the most recent time period appears to have managed properly.lol, yeah.... and Ted Haggard is completely heterosexual.
Yes there is no contradiction here.On one hand you are saying homosexuals are deserving of the death penalty, and on the other hand you're saying you rebuke them out of truth and love.
Then please explain why the other countries in Europe also suffered similar devastation, and catastrophic loss of life when this was an instance of Germany receiving punishment?
And why did this punishment occur over a decade after the fall of the Weimar republic, and after a strongly anti-homosexual government (The Nazis) had been in power?
If this issue was about Homosexuality, then God would have been backing the guys doing their most to limit and kill off the Homosexuals... and I can't imagine you're willing to argue that God was backing the Nazis?
So you think God is willing to kill off tens of millions of people on both sides (many of whom I'm sure were just as against homosexuality as you are), just to get the remaining Jews to move to and establish Israel?
Now please bring up a comparison that doesn't involve harm to one person so you aren't arguing from a position of Red Herrings.
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