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I certainly agree that there are Second Coming prophecies yet to be fulfilled. The challenge in prophetic interpretation is to "rightly divide the Word" to recognize what has been fulfilled, and what is yet to be fulfilled. Would you agree with that?I read it again and Ralph Woodrow does make it like there has been some prophetic fulfilment. This does not mean that there won't be a complete and final fulfilment.
Did the Lord come in fire then? Isaiah 66:15-16, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7, + No; and all the prophesies about an Anti-Christ leader of the world, plus many others about what God will do, are still future. Near future!
Actually, I understand it quite well, and that's why I don't believe it. Well enough to know I don't like it and it's not true. It's a complete denial of God's Prophetic Word.
Correct, there have always been wars somewhere on the planet.
But what is prophesied to happen, very soon will not be a war, but a total wipeout of the attackers of Israel, including most of the Israelis as well; by the Lord. As described in Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12 and in over 100 other prophesies.
If I asked you questions about Mathew 24 or the book of Revelation would you be ready to answer them?God's prophecy was completed by 70AD, even though, I still think that maybe 1% of Revelation is yet to happen.
As I'm sure you're aware, "rightly dividing the Word of Truth" is actual Scripture from 2 Timothy 2:15. It means and has always meant "accurately handling", notwithstanding its "dispensationalized private interpretation". As inspired Scripture, it's hardly "useless comment".'Rightly divide the Word', is a saying used by dispensationalists, often to denigrate and accuse anyone who challenges their beliefs. I treat it as a useless comment.
But regarding what has been fulfilled and what hasn't, really what the preterists promote is just ridiculous, as the historical record simply doesn't support the fulfilment of most of the prophesies.
Well, because Paul taught that the end of the ages had come upon him and his 1st century contemporaries and you said you would never believe such, that's whyWhy would I think God's Word is wrong?
Mathew 21 is full of parables, I see no real prophecy in it.
If I asked you questions about Mathew 24 or the book of Revelation would you be ready to answer them?
'rightly dividing the Word of truth', is a 16th century KJV expression. This is my aim:As I'm sure you're aware, "rightly dividing the Word of Truth" is actual Scripture from 2 Timothy 2:15. It means and has always meant "accurately handling", notwithstanding its "dispensationalized private interpretation". As inspired Scripture, it's hardly "useless comment".
Woodrow's exposition is virtually completely preterist. I thought you agreed with it. Have you changed your mind? If so, what do you disagree with?
I disagree with you and that means one of us is wrong. Not Paul like you insinuated. Paul never taught that the end of the age had come upon him. I had a better opinion of Catholics before I started dealing with you. Parables aren't prophecy, but if that's what you chose to believe have at it!Well, because Paul taught that the end of the ages had come upon him and his 1st century contemporaries and you said you would never believe such, that's why
Jesus promising the scribes and Pharisees that they would be destroyed and His vineyard would be leased to another nation who would render its fruit is not prophesy?
Really???
According to scripture, The Pharisees understood it was a prophesy about them.
Do you disagree?
Do you believe that already happened or are we still waiting for that to come to pass?
'rightly dividing the Word of truth', is a 16th century KJV expression. This is my aim:
2 Timothy 2:15 Try hard to show yourself worthy of God's approval, as a worker with no cause for shame and keep strictly to the true Gospel. REBible
Far from being a preterist, I believe in the literal fulfilment, [excepting obvious allegories] of all Bible prophecy. And I expect it all to happen within my lifetime.
People like Parousia, are in for a big surprise as they like to think they will never have to face trials and testing. God will, once again, act in His Creation. He did it before and now we are again is a very similar state 'as in the days of Noah'.
Judgement will; must come, or our faith and the Bible are worthless.
I disagree with you and that means one of us is wrong. Not Paul like you insinuated. Paul never taught that the end of the age had come upon him. I had a better opinion of Catholics before I started dealing with you. Parables aren't prophecy, but if that's what you chose to believe have at it!
Preterism, even historicism denies entire books and hundreds on verses of prophecy. It's the only thing worse and more perverted than pre-trib. I hate it and it should be banned from eschatology forums.So many people have got Revelations so wrong. I think they just love the idea of the end of time / earth etc.
I thought it all ended in AD70?We are going through trials and testing now. We have been doing so since the church was born!
We should back up to verse 4 but I'll spare you.I expect so.
Ask away.
Would you likewise be ready to answer any Matt 24 and Revelation questions directed at you?
Here's one:
When Jesus said "when you see all these things, know that it is near, at the doors" (Matt 24:33) what did he mean by near? Near in Gods time or near in Human time?
In my experience, Futurists are never consistent about this.
I fully agree with your REBible's rendering.'rightly dividing the Word of truth', is a 16th century KJV expression. This is my aim:
2 Timothy 2:15 Try hard to show yourself worthy of God's approval, as a worker with no cause for shame and keep strictly to the true Gospel. REBible
Far from being a preterist, I believe in the literal fulfilment, [excepting obvious allegories] of all Bible prophecy. And I expect it all to happen within my lifetime.
People like Parousia, are in for a big surprise as they like to think they will never have to face trials and testing. God will, once again, act in His Creation. He did it before and now we are again is a very similar state 'as in the days of Noah'.
Judgement will; must come, or our faith and the Bible are worthless.
Mathew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
It makes no sense to believe that the "gospel of the kingdom," only had about 5 years to be preached, let alone be a witness unto all nations. NOT to mention the end coming!
The 'testing and hardships' of our Western civilization? You must be joking!We are going through trials and testing now. We have been doing so since the church was born!
It's not hard: that which can be literally fulfilled; will be. That which is allegorical, can usually be explained by other scripture or by using common sense.There are very many examples of both literal and allegorical/spiritual fulfillment. Any given prophecy is either one or the other. Discerning which is applicable is where 2 Timothy 2:15 is applicable.
He and I have clashed many times before. Neither of us will budge an inch for our beliefs, so I await the unfolding of God's plans for my vindication from him.Where do you get your opinion of Parousia70?
He's a 'dyed in the wool' preterist. He is in for a shock, like Parousia, when the Lord comes in His fiery wrath.You didn't answer my question about Woodrow.
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