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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Jenniferdiana, Aug 3, 2017.

  1. jgr

    jgr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Genesis 3:15 is the first prophecy in Scripture. Is it literal or allegorical?
    Still didn't answer the question. What do you disagree with in his exegesis?
     
  2. Hal A Peno

    Hal A Peno Well-Known Member

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    You can make Hitler look like a saint the way you interprete scripture. You don't look at the lexicons to see what key words are used key for all, earth/world, nations, etc. In other words, you don't know how to do it.

    What you do is the first thing good interpreters complain about. You inundate people with scripture.
     
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  3. jgr

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    Thanks for the chuckle; I needed that.

    You're more than welcome to show us how to do it.

    If you're inundated, you can cover some of the Scripture with a sheet of paper until you resurface.
     
  4. keras

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    Its allegorical, as Jesus was not wounded in the heel. It means just what we are fully aware of; the enmity and division between Christians and the world.
    He says that Bible prophecy is finished, over with, done and dusted.
    That idea is just about the most foolish thing possible and simply leaves those who believe it; in the dark.
     
  5. jgr

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    Completely agree. But I've certainly encountered those of our brethren who insist that it's literal, even when they interpret it allegorically, which of course they can't avoid doing.
    Where did he say that? He has demonstrated, with abundant Scriptural and historical evidence, that that particular portion of the prophecy has been fulfilled. But farther down in a subsequent portion of the prophecy (which I haven't yet included), he provides other evidence that that particular portion is referring to the Second Coming.

    He does what all responsible preterists and historicists do: Use God-given wisdom and discernment to intelligently apply 2 Timothy 2:15 to the study of Scripture and prophecy.
     
  6. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    No, it does not deny any part of scripture. It interprets it correctly, thats what it does!
     
  7. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    Christians have, and will continue to suffer. Jesus said to pick up your cross and follow Him. The gate is narrow!
     
  8. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    Yes, Jesus was saying about the terrible things that were going to happen to Jerusalem.

    Plus, we have to remember that the Jews have been persecuted all through history! Jesus knew what was ahead for them!
     
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  9. keras

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    If Parousia, and Goatee, were less adamant with their beliefs and not so scathing of those who disagree with them, then it may be possible to discus these things in a civilized fashion.
    Until then; they can keep their ideas and I will stick to what the Bible actually tells us will happen.
     
  10. jgr

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    I obviously have to defer to them for their responses. But, all of us have to confess to being adamant and scathing in varying frequencies and degrees. They're just very human characteristics.
     
  11. Hal A Peno

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    There are no responsible preterist or hidtoricist. How can somebody be responsible handling God's prophetic Word when they throw it away in a history that never happened.
     
  12. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    Excuse me but I have not been critical or scathing to anyone! I have only posted what 'I' believe!
     
  13. Hal A Peno

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    What DIDN'T happen in the first century debunks Preterism.

    It's a waste of time deicussing this with you because there are hundreds if not a thousand verses of prophecy Preterist have perverted into history leaving those who live in he last days, like keras said, "IN THE DARK." Even a crash course in Preterism wouldn't be enough to explain it since there's so much prophecy you people have neglected and destroyed by saying the cop out line, IT ALREADY HAPPENED. Preterism is an outrite evil far worse than any other false doctrine that has ever entered the church. It's far more deceitful than pre-trib, and an outrite lie and slap in the face of God almighty.
     
  14. Hal A Peno

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    You mean that didn't END in 70AD? Everything else did!
     
  15. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    Says you who have not read about it properly. I am not a full Preterist.
     
  16. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    Again, I am not a full Preterist and even then, full Preterist don't believe that people won't suffer etc! You need to do some proper research buddy
     
  17. jgr

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    "History that never happened" is about as risible a claim as can be made. Please show us any.
     
  18. Hal A Peno

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    Maybe you can show me how ONE chapter of prophecy was completely fulfilled in 5 years or less, let alone the book od Revelation....

    Matthew 24 King James Version (KJV)
    1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

    2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

    3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

    4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

    5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

    6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

    7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

    8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

    9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

    10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

    11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

    12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

    13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

    14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

    15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

    16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

    17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

    18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

    19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

    20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

    21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

    22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

    23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

    24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    25 Behold, I have told you before.

    26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

    27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

    29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

    30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

    33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

    34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

    35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

    36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

    37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

    39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

    43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

    44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

    45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

    46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

    47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

    48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

    49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

    50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

    51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
     
  19. parousia70

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    "Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come."
    1 Corinthians 10:11

    Hold that thought....
     
  20. parousia70

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    Is it possible for you to answer my question?

    What did Jesus mean by NEAR in Matthew 24:33?
    Near in Gods View or Near in Man's?

    Should be a simple question for your to answer, but you took several paragraphs to dance around and do anything BUT answer it..
    Are you unable to answer it or just unwilling??


    You just admonished me that Parables are not prophesy, remember...?
    Having a change of heart?
     
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