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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Jenniferdiana, Aug 3, 2017.

  1. Jenniferdiana

    Jenniferdiana Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I don't know. I just don't believe that.
     
  2. Jenniferdiana

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    Who is Don preston anyway?
     
  3. Hal A Peno

    Hal A Peno Well-Known Member

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    Preterism, even historicism doesn't make sense. Preterist changed the dating of several New Testament books to support it. It just makes no sense that Mathew 24 and the entire book of Revelation would be fulfilled in AD70. Preterism is ONE BIG BLUNDER.
     
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  4. Jenniferdiana

    Jenniferdiana Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It really does not make sense. OoOkkk. Whoever said that doesn't know what they are talking about..
     
  5. Waggles

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    The Church was established from day one. The day of Pentecost.
    And as usual you display your immense ignorance of everything ...
     
  6. Hal A Peno

    Hal A Peno Well-Known Member

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    No it wasn't. Pentecost empowered the church to establish it and lay its foundation. You don't have to be so snide. You can participate in this discussion without the usual derogatory comments.
     
  7. Waggles

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    Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
    1 Corinthians 1:2

    CHURCH > G1577 ἐκκλησία ekklēsia
    From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out, that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both): - assembly, church.

    That's us both then and now - like I wrote from day one.
    The Church began on the day of Pentecost.
     
  8. jgr

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    Where else in Scripture (other than the parallel passages in Mark and Luke) do you find the expression "this generation" referring to a future generation?

    The disciples must have been quite miffed when they eventually realized that Christ hadn't been referring to anything relevant to themselves at all.
     
  9. Riberra

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    The destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple have happened during their lifetime...during that -[their]- generation.
     
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  10. jgr

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    I completely agree. But Hal A Peno doesn't.
     
  11. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    Actually its quite simple to understand, that Jesus meant the generation that saw the fig tree sign, Judah back into the holy Land: the people born since then, would see it all. Matthew 24:32-34
    Proved by the fact the Disciples do not see the signs Jesus mentioned. Just like most Bible prophecy, Ezekiel 20:49: had the same problem. But WE will see it all.

    I was born in 1941, on this day, so I'm 76 today. So the proviso of: if my strength holds, Psalms 90:10, applies to me.
    I will be 89 when Jesus Returns 2000 years after He commenced His ministry in 29/30AD. As He prophesied in Luke 13:32.
    I look forward with great anticipation to living in the holy Land, preparing for that glorious Day. See you'all there! Zechariah 8:1-8
     
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  12. jgr

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    Happy Birthday and God's blessings, keras.

    The disciples recognized and experienced everything that Jesus had described, heeded His warning in Matthew 24:16 to flee to the mountains as the signs unfolded, and, along with all of the other believers in Jerusalem and Judea, escaped the ensuing cataclysm. Had they ignored all of this, believing that Jesus was speaking of a future generation, there is a high probability that they would have perished. Instead, miraculously, they all survived.

    God was faithfully preserving His New Testament "remnant" Church.
     
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  13. HighCherub

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    It's a book to refine your perspective and know the end when it draws near.Y

    ou have to first be looking at the general cardinal direction to get anything- Revelation plainly details the direction to look, but since people want to mystify even that, we now have a scripture that may as well not even exist because it's not doing most people any good- they're just being bogged down with heresy.

    All you need to do is look at what is definite and obvious in Revelation- that the Antichrist will be a Jew, or, the whore in red and white brandishing a chalice.

    It's not that hard to see, but it's apparently hard for people to accept- you might think the Jews are perfect demigods, or that the verses are speaking of something else than the literal men in red and white drinking from chalices all the way to this current era_
     
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  14. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    The age of Revelation or other scripture have not been altered to suit preterist views. Reality has shown that todays doom and gloom, end of word fanatics are plainly wrong.
     
  15. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    Yes, the early Church did take Jesus advice in 70 AD and escaped to safety in Pella.
    But the rest of what He and all the other prophets said would happen, has not yet. The fact of the early Christians fleeing to the mountains, being literally fulfilled, makes it certain that all the; so far unfulfilled prophesies, will also be literally fulfilled.
    To think it won't be, is just 'head in the sand' attitude.
     
  16. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    All fulfilled my friend. Jesus won. E
     
  17. Hal A Peno

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    Ephesians 2:19-20 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
    Jesus is the cornerstone of the churches foundation

    Luke 14:28-30 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.

    Luke 14 illustrates that we must first sit down and design our church/tower before we build a foundation. You don't build the 5th floor before the foundation is laid.

    1 Cor. 3:9-11 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
    For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
     
  18. Hal A Peno

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    It isn't fulfilled because you said so. Want to put it up tp a debate on another thread?
     
  19. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    Look up preterism or partial preterism. I believe 99% of Revelation has been and gone.
     
  20. Hal A Peno

    Hal A Peno Well-Known Member

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    I don't need to look it up, I probably know as much about it as you.
     
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