So how is that BLM thing going?

[Bradskii]

Well you're going to have to describe the problem.

From someone who literally asked what racism was, I'm not the slightest bit suprised that you need the problem described to you.

If you don't appreciate that there IS a problem (and you don't), then me describing something you think doesn't exist is going to be a complete waste of my time. And I have better things to do.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Capitalism was at work in the glory days of only say 60 years ago when wealth was spread around. Even a poor kid could afford a Mad Magazine. Capitalism has since been overtaken by Corporatism and therein lies the problem

You'll have to quantify "spread around"...

If you're referring to income inequality, that's not inherently connected with poverty.

You can find countries with higher levels of income inequality, but lower poverty rates, and countries with lower inequality, but higher poverty rates.

I would argue that in the US, many people considered "low-income" today, are living better than a person who was considered "middle-class" in the 'golden age of 60 years ago'.

People have drastically redefined middle class to mean something very different than what it meant 60 years ago.

 

[Ria23]

BLM (please forget the numbering system) was a reaction to what people saw as racism. Nothing more. Nothing less. Someone held up a placard with a few words on it and somebody else said 'Hey, that could be the rallying call'.

unless I use the numbering system or some other identifier, how will make clear what I mean what I say "BLM"? how will you?

BLM 2-4 started with the formation of BLM 1 and the use of a hashtag on Twitter by BLM 1's three founders. BLM 1 have, for better or worse, claimed credit. the BLM official website also says this, I think, but I can't log into it at the moment.

Black Lives Matter: Origins And Controversy - Inquisitr

 

[RDKirk]

How should I know? Like how I should know why cops unjustly kill white people? The thing is, I'm not going to just assume in Floyd's case it's because he's a raging racist who just wants to hurt black people. Even if they are racist, I'm not even convinced in the point of view why. Perhaps they see what black people do to each other and inappropriately take their anger out on them?

Down here in Dallas, white police killed a white trucking executive in exactly the same way that Floyd was killed. The victim had a psychological problem, had lost his medication, was experiencing a panic attack, and was actually the one who placed the 911 call for help.

The entire thing was captured by the police officers body cameras. The police handcuffed him and kneeled on his chest (which was actually what killed Floyd--not the knee on his neck). While the man pleaded that he couldn't breathe, the police officers laughed and ridiculed him. Even after they realized he had died, they continued to mock him.

As I frequently say, "There is always more than one thing happening." Not just racism but also an us-versus-them issue among police as well.

 

[Valletta]

An empty claim.
Co-founder of BLM, which got a ton of money that can't even be tracked, and now she's suddenly with the rich elite that BLM people resent so much, yet they defend this woman.

It's the same in Congress, Maxine Waters has given more than a million dollars to her daughter from her campaign fund and she keeps getting voted in.
Maxine Waters Has Given More Than $1 Million In Campaign Cash To Her Daughter Since 2003 | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry

 

[timothyu]

As I frequently say, "There is always more than one thing happening." Not just racism but also an us-versus-them issue among police as well.

Not to mention an IQ issue

 

[Ana the Ist]

So 'societal racism'. I could go with that. And it's not racism with overt intent. No white supremacist intent on keeping the black population down (with obvious exceptions). I could go with that as well.

What does "societal racism" even mean?

That the society is racist?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Then challenge them on it. Enter into a dialogue.

I did this on here awhile back.

I think maybe a dozen posters or less threw in one comment and left the thread. Two ot three engaged me on a couple of points. Maybe two posters actually tried a conversation....but I generally think it's only because I said I would welcome any criticism of me or my views and not report anyone.....so they took the opportunity to tell me what they think of me.

No one actually wants an honest dialogue.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I can't understand it; not because I'm "part of the problem" but because it's victim-blaming nonsense.
Ringo

He's not victim blaming....

He's pointing out that committing crimes carries an inherent risk.

George Floyd committed crimes. He took risks.

You know how you never complain when a cop gets shot and killed? If someone points it out you just say "well...that's part of the job he signed up for."

Well sometimes criminals get killed. Sometimes it's wrong and illegal....sometimes it isn't.

It's part of the "job" they signed up for when they decided to commit crimes.

 

[Bradskii]

What does "societal racism" even mean?

Have you ever lived in a foreign country? Have you actually been overseas?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Black Family Structure in Decline Since the 1960s: The Home Effect

Of course this is an opinion piece. But it was the first of many examples that popped up. But it does have sources that show that single parenthood sky-rocketed since LBJ. Now, there is almost no economical benefit for marriage. It is better to have a baby momma than a wife. You'd get more government entitlements that way.

I don't think you're fully appreciating the problem.

Consider the dating landscape for a 18-30yo black woman. 1 in 3 (I think?) black men her age are going to jail at some point. If she's interested in relationship with a black man, he's probably got 4-5 other black women interested as well. He has no incentive to commit.

This is why the cycle of fatherless homes continues in some black communities.

It's rooted in a broken education system and an environment where criminals are the ones who have money. It's not one thing and I don't think any real solution can expect immediate results.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Have you ever lived in a foreign country? Have you actually been overseas?

Yeah....can you answer my question or not?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Pour money into education.

You'd have to remove the corruption first.

 

[RDKirk]

You'll have to quantify "spread around"...

If you're referring to income inequality, that's not inherently connected with poverty.

You can find countries with higher levels of income inequality, but lower poverty rates, and countries with lower inequality, but higher poverty rates.

I would argue that in the US, many people considered "low-income" today, are living better than a person who was considered "middle-class" in the 'golden age of 60 years ago'.

People have drastically redefined middle class to mean something very different than what it meant 60 years ago.

People have only extended the upper limit. There are lots of people today earning only 25-35K, and they consider themselves "middle class." But there are also people earning $250K who also consider themselves middle class.

The people earning only 25-35K are not living better than people earning 25-35K sixty years ago.

 

[Bradskii]

Yeah....can you answer my question or not?

Maybe your Google is broke. Let me help (from wiki):

The formalization of a set of institutional, historical, cultural, and interpersonal practices within a society that places one or more social or ethnic groups in a better position to succeed and disadvantages other groups so that disparities develop between the groups over a period of time.

You seem blissfully unaware that this problem exists all over the world. I might bend over backwards and concede that you don't see it in your own country because you are so used to it. It's like a fish is unaware of the water in which it swims.

Which is why I asked you if you have actually been outside the US for any length of time. Perhaps if you saw the problem between two groups from whom you were entirely dissasociated, then you'd recognise it. Because you show no signs of even grasping that the concept exists let alone realising that it's part of the fabric of your own country.

 

[RDKirk]

Practical improvements? Hardly none. That's a matter for state and federal authorities to sort out. To direct funding where it would help those who need it. But thinking and asking questions can win hearts and minds. It focuses the mind on what needs to be done and prompts people to act.

It's a slow process. Sometimes change takes a generation.

I think it takes three. For most of my life, I thought the American Boomer generation would be the generation of change, the first generation of racial integration.

But since 2008, I've discovered I was wrong. We were the last generation to be raised in segregation, and that early childhood upbringing was baked into our psyches. We're not the first generation of integration, we're the last generation of segregation.

The problem right now is that we Boomers still control industry, media, law, and politics. What you're seeing is the last generation of segregation in its furious death throws. Things will get better very quickly when we Boomers are dead.

I think the first generation of integration will be the Z-generation, and I see it in them already.

 

[Bradskii]

I think it takes three. For most of my life, I thought the American Boomer generation would be the generation of change, the first generation of racial integration.

But since 2008, I've discovered I was wrong. We were the last generation to be raised in segregation, and that early childhood upbringing was baked into our psyches. We're not the first generation of integration, we're the last generation of segregation.

The problem right now is that we Boomers still control industry, media, law, and politics. What you're seeing is the last generation of segregation in its furious death throws. Things will get better very quickly when we Boomers are dead.

I think the first generation of integration will be the Z-generation, and I see it in them already.

I hope you're right. And my bad in saying 'one generation' because I was just thinking of myself and my six decades plus loose change representing that one generation. Whereas it is obviously three. I just hope that the problems of the last couple of years are the begining of the end and not just the end of the begining.

 

[Ana the Ist]

New revelations???
Racists have been trying to claim Cullors somehow embezelled millions from BLM since she purchaed that 3 bedroom ranch house.

Uhhh...what would you call using donor money to buy yourself mansions?

It's not a question of "if"...we know she did.

I guess some peopel are so caught up in their prejudices that they think a black woman can only have money if criminal activity is involved.

Wow. You're the only one saying this.

Of course ot do this you have to ignore he fact she is a college professor and a best selling author and that she own a television producton company among other things.

She was hired in 2018 as a professor. She's a first time author and frankly, I doubt she sold enough books to be the kind of multimillionaire who can buy over 3 million dollars in real estate...straight cash....and afford the real estate taxes that come with that much property. Then there's the mansions she admitted buying with donor money for "creating black spaces" after it became a news story.

I understand that this is stressful for her....anytime she wants to show her tax statements she can shut everyone up.

 

[RDKirk]

That's 14% to 28%. Which is obviously double the rate for white families. Which is obviously a problem. So what do you think is a solution to that? Education? Employment? Housing? A combo of all three?

A change in the black urban culture (which is, btw, a historical spin-off of southern "cracker" culture). That high rate of single mother families is not by accident, it's not from a lack of education or employment or housing. It's a matter of culture, a matter of what urban blacks think is the correct way to live. I saw it when I was stationed in DC, even among young urban black women with government jobs.

But culture is a choice, and some do choose otherwise.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I think it takes three. For most of my life, I thought the American Boomer generation would be the generation of change, the first generation of racial integration.

But since 2008, I've discovered I was wrong. We were the last generation to be raised in segregation, and that early childhood upbringing was baked into our psyches. We're not the first generation of integration, we're the last generation of segregation.

The problem right now is that we Boomers still control industry, media, law, and politics. What you're seeing is the last generation of segregation in its furious death throws. Things will get better very quickly when we Boomers are dead.

I think the first generation of integration will be the Z-generation, and I see it in them already.

Unfortunately, Gen Z or whatever is pro-segregation. So is BLM (what did you think they meant by black only spaces?) and so is the CRT programs being pushed on school children (who also believe in racially segregated groups and spaces).