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Skulls, Halloween, dark stuff...

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There's little darker and more menacing than the cross itself.

Consider: crucifixion was the way the Romans tortured and executed dissidents, rebels, slaves, etc. It wasn't just about torturing and killing a person in a brutal way, people were crucified in very public places, along busy roads. It was particularly common in the outer edges of the Roman empire in conquered territories. It was a statement, "We're in charge, remember that" It was about keeping people in line with fear.

The cross was an ugly, grotesque symbol of Roman oppression.

But because of One who was nailed to a cross, the cross is for us the symbol of victory over death, the symbol of God's defiance against the violent and hostile powers of this world. We proudly wear the cross and display it because by it God conquered the world.

There are other things to consider as well. Why should we be terrified of symbols of death--skulls etc? Death is defeated under the heel of Christ the Lord; and indeed it is our solemn hope that on the Last Day when the Lord comes we shall be raised up from the dead to new and bodily life.

When we take symbols of spooky and dark things, of death and dreary things and transform them into harmless fun and mock them we are declaring that they are not a power over us to be feared.

Lastly, we need to remember what Hallowe'en actually is. It is actually the Eve of All Hallows or All Saints. A day on the Christian calendar set aside for remembering the dearly departed saints of God, to remember that there is no death in Jesus, that death is defeated, and even those who have died live with Him and that one day there will be a resurrection from the dead, there will be a day when we are all reunited again when God makes all things new at the coming of the Lord in glory.

So Hallowe'en for what it actually is is a deliberately Christian day.

The spooky silly stuff is for the kids. But even in that we can use to remember that none of the dark things of this fallen and present age has victory over us, for we belong to Christ who has overcome all the wicked and violent and dark powers of this world by His cross and empty tomb. We have no reason to fear, but we have every reason to rejoice.

"Christ is risen from the dead,
trampling down death by death,
and to those in the tombs,
bestowing life.
"

-CryptoLutheran

Interesting post and well thought out.
I've had conversations with non-Christians who tell me they view us as a bit morbid. Kind of like we mock and laugh at death. I proudly plead guilty. It's not death I fear. It's God. Death is a reality that is going to happen. It's as sure as the sunrise. Why fear reality?

When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:

“Death is swallowed up in victory.”
 
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What sort of evidence do you want? I'll see what I can find. You all have not given me a shred of evidence for your claims, either. I at least have personal experience behind mine. You have nothing and haven't even explained why you think witchcraft doesn't exist.

Substantive evidence that supports your statement of "pure witchcraft", confirmed by more then one credible opinion. that's what I want you to provide. So far you deal in suppositions, therefore I want the actual evidence.

Tough I know, but considering you seem to have nothing to rely on then counter spin....it just goes to prove the criticism against your claim, doesn't it?

A question for both of you: if witchcraft is simply part of other religions and is not in any way effective or real or different from something like Hinduism or Daoism, why is it specifically warned against in the Bible, clearly separately from idolatry?

Another question: do you believe in literal demons?

Taoism relies on no witchcraft.....you don't understand Taoism is more a mental exercise then it relies on mystical signs. You confuse the Chinese tradition of mixing Taoism,Confucianism and Buddhism into the everyday religion of the majority of Chinese religious followers. Taoism is mental mysticism rather then physical.

Hinduism, I'm not an expert on so I will not comment on that.


However, we aren't talking about those faith paths really when we critique you, we are talking from an orthodox Christian perspective. Therefore, if we are talking from that viewpoint, then your argument is rather irrelvant.

And for the record, I believe in demons sure....but I don't exactly base my theology on one of fear.
 
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Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words

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A — 1: φαρμακεία
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(Strong's #5331 — Noun Feminine — pharmakia[-eia] — far-mak-i'-ah )
(Eng., "pharmacy," etc.) primarily signified "the use of medicine, drugs, spells;" then, "poisoning;" then, "sorcery," Galatians 5:20 , RV, "sorcery" (AV, "witchcraft"), mentioned as one of "the works of the flesh." See also Revelation 9:21; 18:23 . In the Sept., Exodus 7:11,22; 8:7,18; Isaiah 47:9,12 . In "sorcery," the use of drugs, whether simple or potent, was generally accompanied by incantations and appeals to occult powers, with the provision of various charms, amulets, etc., professedly designed to keep the applicant or patient from the attention and power of demons, but actually to impress the applicant with the mysterious resources and powers of the sorcerer.
A — 2: μαγεία
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(Strong's #3095 — Noun Feminine — magia[-eia] — mag-i'-ah )
"the magic art," is used in the plural in Acts 8:11 , "sorceries" (see SORCERER , No. 1).
B — 1: μαγεύω
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(Strong's #3096 — Verb — mageuo — mag-yoo'-o )
akin to A, No. 2, "to practice magic," Acts 8:9 , "used sorcery," is used as in A, No. 2, of Simon Magnus.
 
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I won't say much, except I feel that whatever is done, if it is not done for the wrong reasons, and the person truly loves the Lord, it is OK. I really do not think that a "true" Christian would go out of their way to wear or do things that honored Satan. It is what is in the heart that the Lord is concerned with.

I'd rather dress up as a Klingon than a devil on Halloween :D

That's if I wanted to go back and play dress up like I did when I was a kid but I'm too old for that now!
 
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I'd rather dress up as a Klingon than a devil on Halloween :D

That's if I wanted to go back and play dress up like I did when I was a kid but I'm too old for that now!
Jedi are more fun then Klingons :p
 
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I find the whole churches replacing Hallowe'en with a Fall or Harvest festival as an alternative to be very amusing. Because Hallowe'en isn't pagan, it's Christian. Harvest festivals are pagan. Obviously I'm not saying churches which do this are doing anything "pagan", just the irony of replacing a Christian thing with an historically actually pagan thing in order to get away with a falsely perceived "pagan" element.

It's like throwing away the cross and calling it "pagan" and then adorning your church with a sun wheel.

-CryptoLutheran
Amen.
 
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LOL I'm a male so it boils down to either Kenobi,Mace Windu or Luke!

Or maybe some of the other Jedi's in the Old Republic era!

I'll give you a special dispensation to cross dress on Halloween. You may also wear a lamp shade for a hat once a year.
 
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