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Kevin Samuels was amazing. Woman after woman would call into his show voluntarily and essentially get the same roast every time. I really don't know what was going through their heads. Especially since any intelligent person knows that he couldn't have been anywhere nearly as rich as he was portraying himself to be. But he was fully qualified to answer the questions they kept asking because he was a man and he knew what men want and that's what they kept asking him. RIP.

He answered them tactfully and tried to guide them to the truth. The high-value conversation goes both ways. If you’re aiming for that they’re expecting the same in return.

Andrew Tate. He's as morally poor as he is materially rich, but I give him credit for working - just not what his post-kickboxing work was. He sometimes speaks true things that are against the toxic feminists, but his relationship goals are not Christian ones. For those who didn't see past his marketing, his "courses" appear to not be good either.

I like the Tate brothers. They say what they think and you may not agree but they’re addressing important issues. Men are struggling and sometimes the truth isn’t pretty. Gentleness has a place as does accountability. Some things need to be called out. Some need to be challenged and admonished for slacking or throwing in the towel.

Tristan is more my speed but I like their energy collectively. I’m a give it to me straight tell me where I’m failing and hold me accountable kind of girl. I’m not looking for excuses. I want to improve and when you’re in that space you need a person who cuts to the chase.

For someone at his level 1-on-1 is best. You’ll get more bang for your buck and he’ll disclose things he wouldn’t say elsewhere. That’s how it works.

Relationally speaking he’s young and incredibly wealthy. Put $50 million in your account and see how you act. You won’t be single. You may lose your head for a bit understandably. He’s in his mid-thirties with nearly $300 million. I’d be just like Kanye; You can’t tell me nothing. I’ll calm down eventually. But I’m being honest. Money changes things and when you have a lot the world’s your oyster.

If Christians want to challenge messages like his they need to get out there and build something. You can’t fight it from afar. You’re not dealing with a man you’re dealing with an empire. He’s beyond the brand. That’s how cult followings are formed.

On a related note thin is in. You can expect to see lots of triggers and woke propaganda. I’d watch them for their response to that alone.

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He answered them tactfully and tried to guide them to the truth.
His tact was hit-and-miss, but he did try to guide them to the truth, I will give him that. (And the callers I did watch did need the no-sugarcoating approach he did give them for the most part.)

The high-value conversation goes both ways. If you’re aiming for that they’re expecting the same in return.
Well, we have a problem. That problem is that there are women of all levels, from 1 to 10, who want that high value man. It's not just the high-value women, it's the medium value women and even the low value women who want the high value man. So no matter how low I aim, there are going to be basic women that will need to settle for me if a relationship will be had, and if a woman settles for you, she's not happy with you, and if she's not happy with you, she either cheats, otherwise treats you like dirt, or both. I'm not going to work 80 hours a week for that. I put 45-50 hours a week into making a living and getting my body in better shape. If a worthwhile woman wants to come along for the ride, I'll let her.

I like the Tate brothers. They say what they think and you may not agree but they’re addressing important issues. Men are struggling and sometimes the truth isn’t pretty. Gentleness has a place as does accountability. Some things need to be called out. Some need to be challenged and admonished for slacking or throwing in the towel.

Tristan is more my speed but I like their energy collectively. I’m a give it to me straight tell me where I’m failing and hold me accountable kind of girl. I’m not looking for excuses. I want to improve and when you’re in that space you need a person who cuts to the chase.

For someone at his level 1-on-1 is best. You’ll get more bang for your buck and he’ll disclose things he wouldn’t say elsewhere. That’s how it works.
Yeah but what does it take to get a 1-on-1 with him. Either a pre-existing relationship or a mild level of fame. I don't think that any men who had that kind of interaction with him really need his help because they don't fit the demographic of who he's marketing to. The 25-and-under guys who think he's the man will not get that access.

Relationally speaking he’s young and incredibly wealthy. Put $50 million in your account and see how you act. You won’t be single. You may lose your head for a bit understandably. He’s in his mid-thirties with nearly $300 million. I’d be just like Kanye; You can’t tell me nothing. I’ll calm down eventually. But I’m being honest. Money changes things and when you have a lot the world’s your oyster.
He made his fortune pimping webcam girls. He was a successful kickboxer before that, that's not going to make multiple millions of dollars. Point is, I don't think money changed him substantially from the person he portrays himself to be. It just amplified it.

If I had 50 million, maybe I wouldn't be single. I would definitely invest in some things that would make me less likely to be single long-term, but I'd still be paranoid enough to not advertise that kind of money, and I'd still remember the stories of my employer's young CEO and how ridiculous he would get sometimes. That man was just a few years older than me, but he constantly paid escorts to accompany him. I don't want to be that guy either. I'd take a slice of his money and success, but not his life.

For me to really go nuts, I'd need Bezos or Musk money. You could turn on the news, and things would be different.

If Christians want to challenge messages like his they need to get out there and build something. You can’t fight it from afar. You’re not dealing with a man you’re dealing with an empire. He’s beyond the brand. That’s how cult followings are formed.
What you do is you point out where he's fake and not worth following to people who look up to him. If you're a Christian and you want a wife, it makes no sense to look up to a man with 4-7 live-in girlfriends at a time in the context of relationships. His goals are not your goals. If you think he's the real deal message-wise, I have news for you, he's fake on guns. I can't post the proof on CF due to the profanity rule, but he's publicly shown himself to be on both sides of the gun rights issue depending on who he's talking to, and when he showed off his "gun closet" it was padded with airsoft. And I already linked why his Hustler University is fake garbage. I give him credit for what he's good at, but the whole image he presents is not real.

On a related note thin is in. You can expect to see lots of triggers and woke propaganda. I’d watch them for their response to that alone.

~bella
They can be entertaining, I admit it. I even agree with some things they say. It's not wholesome entertainment, but neither is the feminist garbage that they speak against.
 
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^^^ in terms of $ I actually find girls resentful of guys who have $$. There's a lot of class warfare going on & that transfers over to the dating game as well. People want to date in-class.

Not good. Lot of negative thoughts this morning. Too negative to post here. I am very sad.
 
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His tact was hit-and-miss, but he did try to guide them to the truth, I will give him that. (And the callers I did watch did need the no-sugarcoating approach he did give them for the most part.)

Debunking delusion requires a firm approach. You can temper it somewhat but there’s still some shaking involved.

Well, we have a problem. That problem is that there are women of all levels, from 1 to 10, who want that high value man. It's not just the high-value women, it's the medium value women and even the low value women who want the high value man.

That’s because its popular. But there’s another side of the phenomenon. Leveling up isn’t wholly bad if it sloughs off the muck and evens them out. Both could use some polishing and a return to ladyship and gentlemanly deportment. Once you reach that point you recognize they exist in all income ranges. It doesn’t get the clicks that swagger does.

So no matter how low I aim, there are going to be basic women that will need to settle for me if a relationship will be had, and if a woman settles for you, she's not happy with you, and if she's not happy with you, she either cheats, otherwise treats you like dirt, or both. I'm not going to work 80 hours a week for that. I put 45-50 hours a week into making a living and getting my body in better shape. If a worthwhile woman wants to come along for the ride, I'll let her.

Are they really basic if you’re complements? I think the descriptors are over used. The majority are average with pluses and minuses in different areas. Classifications are an attempt to escape that. There’s more important considerations for companionship. I’d be hard pressed to consider someone using that verbiage. Hard workers can scale with the right components beside them and that includes her.

Yeah but what does it take to get a 1-on-1 with him. Either a pre-existing relationship or a mild level of fame. I don't think that any men who had that kind of interaction with him really need his help because they don't fit the demographic of who he's marketing to. The 25-and-under guys who think he's the man will not get that access.

Private dialogues yield connections. Once you’re making seven you need others in that sphere doing the same and surpassing you. That’s how you discover opportunities and inside information that isn’t shared publicly. The better your network the more you’ll progress. That’s how things are done.

The online demographic is privy to instruction from levels 1-3. The meat is normally shared at high ticket events or similar services with limited enrollment. All products have a funnel. Consider your favorite car. There’s gateway options, midpoint and high end vehicles and the top of the line.

He made his fortune pimping webcam girls. He was a successful kickboxer before that, that's not going to make multiple millions of dollars. Point is, I don't think money changed him substantially from the person he portrays himself to be. It just amplified it.

I’m familiar with his background. Webcams were popular in the past. Everyone used them. I wouldn’t go along with that but others do with few regrets. That falls in the category of things I don’t want to confess later on. Given the emphasis on low body count my approach paid off.

Money amplifies your personality. And it’s a persona on here if you’re making money. He’s probably milder in person and turns it up for the Internet.

If I had 50 million, maybe I wouldn't be single. I would definitely invest in some things that would make me less likely to be single long-term, but I'd still be paranoid enough to not advertise that kind of money, and I'd still remember the stories of my employer's young CEO and how ridiculous he would get sometimes. That man was just a few years older than me, but he constantly paid escorts to accompany him. I don't want to be that guy either. I'd take a slice of his money and success, but not his life.

If you had $50 million you’d have boutique healthcare that would probably solve the problem. They’re a $100K plus fees. You gain access to specialists and treatments that aren’t available in traditional plans. There’s going to be some silliness. It’s inevitable. The gravity of your folly is dependent on your character and common sense.

You can’t hide wealth. There’s tell-tale signs in your grooming, attire and disposition. A bearing that’s indistinguishable.

For me to really go nuts, I'd need Bezos or Musk money. You could turn on the news, and things would be different.

You wouldn’t need that. Once you had a nice amount your connections would yield opportunities for continued growth and development. By the time you’re done investing here and there the nest would bloom exponentially.

What you do is you point out where he's fake and not worth following to people who look up to him. If you're a Christian and you want a wife, it makes no sense to look up to a man with 4-7 live-in girlfriends at a time in the context of relationships. His goals are not your goals.

Men who desire marriage aren’t following him. He attracts the disenfranchised and those craving success. The first lot is more likely to include Christian men. If you’re struggling to get a girl he’s more appealing than your local pastor who never had the problem. A sensible person wouldn’t apply everything he said. Chew the fat and spit out the bones. That’s the best approach.

And like it or not. There’s a lot of guys who’d love to be popular with the opposite sex and pulling 10s left and right. They don’t admit it openly for fear of reproach. Nor will they talk about money beyond what’s acceptable in a Christian setting.

You can’t say you want the bag or you’re pursuing it without condemnation and finger wagging. So you find a group of likeminded men who share your values and doing the same. That’s how the body gets splintered. He’s eating from a tree you’ll never access and the whole is poorer because of it.

You can’t share your hopes and dreams in church. Only what’s allowable and within the parameters they expect. You have to keep the big stuff to yourself. That’s why men like him stay in business.


If you think he's the real deal message-wise, I have news for you, he's fake on guns. I can't post the proof on CF due to the profanity rule, but he's publicly shown himself to be on both sides of the gun rights issue depending on who he's talking to,

That’s a common issue when you’re in the public eye. The difference between your thoughts and what’s appropriate can be apples and oranges. Sometimes you can see things from both perspectives and circumstances determine your actions.

I don’t believe everything I hear. Everyone’s a persona to some degree. You have to weigh their words and snag the good stuff and ignore the rest.

They can be entertaining, I admit it. I even agree with some things they say. It's not wholesome entertainment, but neither is the feminist garbage that they speak against.

Confidence is enticing. When you speak from that place it yields an authority that’s powerful. If they were more subdued I probably wouldn’t watch them that much. The oomph makes a difference.

~bella
 
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What would being 46 have to do with it for you? Why put it off that long? IIRC you're not even 36.
Citanul said their sister married someone @ 46, but I don't want to wait that long!
 
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Citanul said their sister married someone @ 46, but I don't want to wait that long!
Ah, I misread your comment then. I thought you meant that it would be until you're 46 that something along those lines would happen, and I was like "why?"
 
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I don’t get it. I’ve been doing so good the past few weeks, if not months, now this week is just really bad. I feel so sad. I feel it in my heart today. It feels so empty & longing
That has happened to me before.

Pray to God. Be transparent. You might need to distract yourself.
 
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I just got home from work. Tonight, yes, it feels lonely.

I can read or continue the movie I'm watching, but it's just a Band-Aid. They call it escapism. The problems are still there, you're just hiding from them for a time.

I want to fix it but I can't.

I guess that's enough being sad on here today. Sorry. I'll try to be done for today.
 
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When I don’t go to church, it’s entirely for self-centered reasons.
Have you tried going to an evening service? I find a different atmosphere there, more homely, relaxed, fewer families and kids, more the core of the church. (And also easier to strike up a conversation with someone in the evening service) God Bless :)
 
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You should be focusing your identity on being a child of God, not on whether you are married.
That's good advice. Here's a bible passage, maybe one that has fallen from favour:

Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Saviour. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word (Ephesians 5:21-26).

A lot of marriage/dating teaching in the church seems to be nothing more than worldly teachings repackaged as Christian. Four times in the passage above the word 'submit' is used and twice the word 'love'. Find yourself or deny yourself, there's the question. God Bless :)
 
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Debunking delusion requires a firm approach. You can temper it somewhat but there’s still some shaking involved.
That is true, though he overplayed it at times. A prime example is when the woman who owned a cane corso called in. He didn't know what that was, and still talked to her as if she was stupid, before she revealed why she needed his help. It doesn't invalidate the good points he made in the conversation, but putting someone down for knowing something respectable that you don't know isn't the right way to handle business.

Are they really basic if you’re complements? I think the descriptors are over used. The majority are average with pluses and minuses in different areas. Classifications are an attempt to escape that. There’s more important considerations for companionship. I’d be hard pressed to consider someone using that verbiage. Hard workers can scale with the right components beside them and that includes her.
The point wasn't how "basic" she is but how her standards are impossibly high, and how she would treat me as a result. Whether she's an 8/10 or a 5/10 or a 3/10 that would suck either way. The lower she is, the more ridiculous it becomes, that's all.

Private dialogues yield connections. Once you’re making seven you need others in that sphere doing the same and surpassing you. That’s how you discover opportunities and inside information that isn’t shared publicly. The better your network the more you’ll progress. That’s how things are done.

The online demographic is privy to instruction from levels 1-3. The meat is normally shared at high ticket events or similar services with limited enrollment. All products have a funnel. Consider your favorite car. There’s gateway options, midpoint and high end vehicles and the top of the line.
I get that, but in case you didn't know there are industries based on making very similar promises to men as he promises, but that really just talk up the importance of non-transferable skills. And people get suckered in, fly to Vegas or wherever, and pay big money for the privilege. Perhaps if you have the ability and didn't know it or it was unrefined they can wake it up. If you don't have it, you're not much better off - but they have your money.

Money amplifies your personality. And it’s a persona on here if you’re making money. He’s probably milder in person and turns it up for the Internet.
Yep, it seems to be a meticulously calculated image. Have you noticed the similarity he has to umpteen rappers in the image he projects? Expensive clothes, check. Accessories, check. Expensive cars, check. Entourage of women, check. Etc.

If you had $50 million you’d have boutique healthcare that would probably solve the problem. They’re a $100K plus fees. You gain access to specialists and treatments that aren’t available in traditional plans. There’s going to be some silliness. It’s inevitable. The gravity of your folly is dependent on your character and common sense.
I was referring to counseling and coaching, actually. I'm not sure of what $100K medical treatment you had in mind.

You can’t hide wealth. There’s tell-tale signs in your grooming, attire and disposition. A bearing that’s indistinguishable.
Only if you go for that stuff. J.C. Penney and Costco aren't that expensive.

You wouldn’t need that. Once you had a nice amount your connections would yield opportunities for continued growth and development. By the time you’re done investing here and there the nest would bloom exponentially.
I get what you're saying, but that's not what I had in mind. What I had in mind was solving social and political issues. I had a thought experiment of what I would do if I could solve the problems that could be solved by money. That's where my mind went.

Men who desire marriage aren’t following him. He attracts the disenfranchised and those craving success. The first lot is more likely to include Christian men. If you’re struggling to get a girl he’s more appealing than your local pastor who never had the problem. A sensible person wouldn’t apply everything he said. Chew the fat and spit out the bones. That’s the best approach.
He's starting to attract males in Christian spaces. I've seen it elsewhere on the Internet. When I see it, I try to talk sense into them. I do agree with eating the meat and throwing away the bones, but there's more meat and much fewer bones provided by other personalities.

Confidence is enticing. When you speak from that place it yields an authority that’s powerful. If they were more subdued I probably wouldn’t watch them that much. The oomph makes a difference.
~bella
That it does. Plus the fact that it makes people who dislike you uncomfortable is a very nice bonus.
 
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That is true, though he overplayed it at times. A prime example is when the woman who owned a cane corso called in. He didn't know what that was, and still talked to her as if she was stupid, before she revealed why she needed his help. It doesn't invalidate the good points he made in the conversation, but putting someone down for knowing something respectable that you don't know isn't the right way to handle business.

When you’re shooting live you’ll have missteps. I’m willing to overlook it in light of the people he dealt with. He operated in the right space and had the temperament to handle them.

The point wasn't how "basic" she is but how her standards are impossibly high, and how she would treat me as a result. Whether she's an 8/10 or a 5/10 or a 3/10 that would suck either way. The lower she is, the more ridiculous it becomes, that's all.

It doesn’t matter whether they’re rational or not in the grand scheme of things. People spend too much time dwelling on non issues like stats, labels and tropes. Giving it bandwidth it doesn’t deserve.

There’s a lot of men who prefer women in their twenties. So what. We’re not compatible. Why would I let it get me down or make me question my worth? Go get her. Unless he’s the last man standing I’m not going to stress. The woman he prefers has no bearing on me. You have to get to that place of self-acceptance.

If I was a guy and the women in my sandbox had that mentality I’d get a side hustle and level up. I wouldn’t waste my time crying, complaining or feeling sorry for myself. I’d give the situation to Yahweh and redirect my focus to growth and betterment.

Sometimes you have to play offense against your circumstances. That’s where wise as a serpent comes in. If the barometer to togetherness is material, social etc. I’m playing the game. I’d work on my apoearance, mindset, body language, mental state, emotions, physical fitness, diet, communication, confidence, creativity, cultural awareness, and connections.

I wouldn’t be on the bench or keep banging my head on a door that won’t open. I’d go all-in on prayer and fasting plus the other stuff. When I’m done I’ll be the package but a godly one. The world is wicked and we aren’t making the rules. We have to learn how to survive in a sink or swim environment. That requires fortitude.

You survey the landscape and adapt your strategy. But you don’t abandon the goal or your principles. Many struggle with this because they have one track minds. They have one approach and that’s it. They can’t think linear, zig and zag or out the box.

When that’s the case you need to find others who can. People who see beyond the obvious and know how to get there through calculated movements. That’s the problem with everyone wins philosophies. It doesn’t nurture your hunger or teach you how to weasel you way out of tight spots or best your opponent.

Life isn’t fair. If you believe the book and watch the news and see societal shifts taking place you should expect the same in the dating market and hedge against them. No believer should be caught off-guard. It’s right in your face. There were signs we were heading in this direction. But everyone’s distracted, That’s where they went awry.

I get that, but in case you didn't know there are industries based on making very similar promises to men as he promises, but that really just talk up the importance of non-transferable skills. And people get suckered in, fly to Vegas or wherever, and pay big money for the privilege. Perhaps if you have the ability and didn't know it or it was unrefined they can wake it up. If you don't have it, you're not much better off - but they have your money.

People get duped because they’re looking for shortcuts. They want a quick fix for everything. No one who understands the game will teach it for pennies. The knowledge is hard won. You have to do your time in the trenches and discover the gravity of your ignorance. Until you recognize your shortcomings and stop blaming yourself and other people you’ll never ascend. You’ll remain in victim mode and that’s not the mind of a champion.

You have to reach the point where you’re done. Done thinking about it…talking about it…crying about it…and reliving it. You’ve had enough. Most people haven’t reached that point. They’re still in the hurt and trauma. You can’t apply these principles when you’re wrecked. You need to do some housekeeping first and purge.

Life looks different when the head and heart are clear. You recognize the ridiculousness and it rolls off your back. If a man wants miss 25 I’ll wish him luck. If he’s a catch and I know someone who fits I’ll recommend her. I’d rather acquire an asset than get bent about lost opportunities. He won’t forget my response. Now that its settled we can talk about other stuff. And you never know who he knows.

You miss a lot of blessings when you live from emotion. You’ve gotta keep your head.


Yep, it seems to be a meticulously calculated image. Have you noticed the similarity he has to umpteen rappers in the image he projects? Expensive clothes, check. Accessories, check. Expensive cars, check. Entourage of women, check. Etc.

He’s the typical wealthy man in his youth. Go to a rich playground and you’ll see others like him. He’s not trying to be a rapper. He dons bespoke suits from Savile Row and embodies the playboy archetype.

I read an article years ago where Prince William and Prince Harry admitted to liking Kanye and rap. You can find a picture of the three of them along with Diddy.

You’ll find hip-hop in most channels and advertisements nowadays. Are they trying to do the same? Of course not. It’s popular.


I was referring to counseling and coaching, actually. I'm not sure of what $100K medical treatment you had in mind.

Bespoke medicine is ideal if health challenges exist. That’s the best treatment you can get. $100K is the retainer.

Only if you go for that stuff. J.C. Penney and Costco aren't that expensive.

You can wear jeans and a button down shirt and the differences would be evident. The carriage and appearance are markers. I used to work in high end retail during the holidays in my teens. I chose the stores intentionally and used to spend time in certain departments. Not only because I liked the products but it provided an opportunity to study the clientele and their shopping habits. When you’re dealing with the wealthy you have to see them from different angles and settings. After awhile I could tell when someone walked in if they were spending money. I observed employees too.

I’ve been around luxury all my life in one form or another. When people post cars, houses, jewelry, etc. I ask the question. Who’s funding it? I know what it costs and won’t step on someone's dreams. But you’ve got to have the chops to pull it off.

I get what you're saying, but that's not what I had in mind. What I had in mind was solving social and political issues. I had a thought experiment of what I would do if I could solve the problems that could be solved by money. That's where my mind went.

Go do it. Write the vision, make the money and execute. Put the thoughts in action.

He's starting to attract males in Christian spaces. I've seen it elsewhere on the Internet. When I see it, I try to talk sense into them. I do agree with eating the meat and throwing away the bones, but there's more meat and much fewer bones provided by other personalities.

Of course he is! You can’t get solutions from people who haven’t solved the problem. All they can do is empathize and pray. They can’t be your go-to if they haven’t resolved it. They’re in the same boat. You have to address your dilemmas strategically. Gather your support and task them appropriately. Direct challenges to the right group or persons and go from there.

That it does. Plus the fact that it makes people who dislike you uncomfortable is a very nice bonus.

There’s a downside to that. You make unnecessary enemies along the way. It’s more important to understand the why behind their dislike than revel in a shot. You’re playing the long game.

~bella
 
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Kevin, where are you?
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My heart feels so deeply empty. I want a girlfriend & to get married so much. I don't think I ever will & that makes me sad. I've waited a long time & it never changes. :sob:
I think you should tell Jesus how you feel. Ask Him if there's anyone for you.
 
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