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We have to give an account of our actions; yes.
1 Corinthians 3:12-15 says that our work will be tested by fire. If it is built on the wrong foundation, it will be burned up, but the person themselves will be saved - even as one escaping a fire.
This suggests to me that work that is not done for God or in his name but just because we thought it was a good idea, will be destroyed - and we'll have nothing to show God for how we spent our time.

But the person is still saved; we are not judged for our sins.

I can see how this is confusing, but Paul is referring to the reward for service rendered in the ministry, not the eternal reward. This chapter is about methods of planting and building in the establishment of believers and churches. Paul is describing an actual situation - teachers after bringing people to Christ have not followed through with sound instruction on the Christian life. The fire here represents a testing work and those who pass through it might be saved, not the last day fire.

The bible does not teach everyone will be saved Matthew 7:13-14 (although Jesus wants to save everyone. He never lets go of us, we let go of Him) and we are told everyone will be judged by our works (many scriptures support this can provide if you want) . We have an Advocate with Jesus and the help of the Holy Spirit that we can gain victory over sin. That's why its important to keep God close to us, test ourselves daily that we are living the path that Jesus asked us to follow, the narrow path that leads to eternal life. Walk with God's Spirit ask the Spirit to convict us of our sins so we can overcome them. God bless
 
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Finding the straight edge on the double edged sword maybe...?

Sorry; I don't understand that.

We only did afterward, only what He wanted us to say and/or do, etc, and it was only what we ought to have a long time ago, (scripture reference, etc), and then, even that, could have maybe even come from, or only ever been, maybe only because of the bad, etc, that I, or me or we or you or me, ever really did any kind of good, etc...

This is doubtless my fault, but I don't get that either.

Is it possible to have right foundation and still be in sin...?

It's possible to be IN Jesus and still sin/make mistakes/let him down - because we are not yet perfect and live in an imperfect world. But Jesus wants us to confess our sins so that we can be forgiven and made clean.

If you're asking, "can someone be born again and wilfully and deliberately continue to sin?" - we are given new hearts when we come to him, so I don't believe anyone would want to. Plus, if someone had had even a tiny taste of his amazing love, grace, mercy and compassion; why would they want to throw that away and hurt him?

It would be like asking; "now that you are married and love your wife very much, are you going to let her down, take her for granted and abuse her?"
 
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But none of us knows how God is going to judge,
But God knows, and we can trust God to prepare us now for how He will want us to be on the day of judgment.

Yes, there are sins that God will judge. But if we sin, we can trust Jesus to forgive us, but then we need to seek our Heavenly Father for real correction which He alone is able to do in us. We need our character changed so we do not keep doing wrong things. So, only stopping certain activities is not enough . . . if that character is still there to have us just sin in some other way.

Hebrews 12:4-14 tells us about what happens because of real correction done by God. And this scripture says we need to actively seek God for this correction . . . not only be worrying about what God thinks of us, or worrying that He will point out some thing He is displeased about. Instead, know we need correction, though we ourselves might not see exactly how we need correction > God is deeper and able to see and take care of what He is concerned about.

And God will succeed in how He corrects us . . . not only stopping certain wrong activities, but changing us to be like Jesus and love as His family with one another.

So, in my opinion, God's focus is not only on what we do or do not do, but if we are becoming like Jesus and relating the way His word says to share as His family.

So, in case someone is mainly concerned about what we may do or not do, this can keep a person's attention away from what God cares about the most.
 
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Many think that, because of sins, especially those done right now or more recently or lately more currently, that they are disqualified or are not one of His right now currently, etc...?

What would you say...?

What do you mean by many?
Many believers? Are you saying that many Christians think that when they sin after they are saved, they disqualify themselves again?

I'd say that they need better teaching.
Am I in Christ? Yes.
Have I sinned today, either in thought, word, deed, motive etc etc? Undoubtedly.
Does this mean that I no longer belong to Christ? No.

Jesus said, "whoever comes to me I will never turn away", John 6:37. He also said, "nothing can snatch them from my Father's hand", John 10:29, and Paul says that nothing can separate us from his love, Romans 8:38-39. The Holy Spirit is a deposit who guarantees our inheritance.
 
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It's possible to be IN Jesus and still sin/make mistakes/let him down - because we are not yet perfect and live in an imperfect world. But Jesus wants us to confess our sins so that we can be forgiven and made clean.

If you're asking, "can someone be born again and wilfully and deliberately continue to sin?" - we are given new hearts when we come to him, so I don't believe anyone would want to. Plus, if someone had had even a tiny taste of his amazing love, grace, mercy and compassion; why would they want to throw that away and hurt him?

It would be like asking; "now that you are married and love your wife very much, are you going to let her down, take her for granted and abuse her?"
But isn't that like what he would be doing to his wife, if we could not be His wife in one moment, and then maybe not in the next...?

I think the more appropriate example might be children, or that we are all God's children, rather than wife maybe, etc...

And maybe children need correction, etc...

God Bless!
 
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But isn't that like what he would be doing to his wife, if we could not be His wife in one moment, and then maybe not in the next...?

I think the more appropriate example might be children, or that we are all God's children, rather than wife maybe, etc...

We are all God's children - though the church is also the bride of Christ.

What makes you think that we can be his children one minute but not the next?
If that were true we'd go through our Christian lives constantly becoming/not being his children; and those things he said about not turning us away or allowing us to be taken from his hands, would be false.
 
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What makes you think that we can be his children one minute but not the next?
If that were true we'd go through our Christian lives constantly becoming/not being his children; and those things he said about not turning us away or allowing us to be taken from his hands, would be false.

This is what the Pharisees told me or taught me, etc...?

God Bless!
 
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Many think that, because of sins, especially those done right now or more recently or lately more currently, that they are disqualified or are not one of His right now currently, etc...?

What would you say...?
Well, there are people who are busy with getting themselves to do things. Their attention is to themselves. And I think ones can tend to pay attention to what they do and what they do not do, because they feel they have to control everything . . . while God is simply keeping a record book on what they do and do not do. But how this can work is they get told that some thing is a no-no, but they find they fail to stop themselves from doing that sin. And then is when they can start wondering if they are Christians or if they will "go to Heaven".

But that can be a self-centered way of evaluating ourselves. And ones can be depending on themselves to control what they do or do not do.

This can keep our attention away from first if we are becoming more like Jesus . . . conformed to the image of Christ. In His Sermon on the Mount, Jesus starts right off with how to be >

poor in spirit

meek

merciful

pure in heart

This is how we become in God's love.

"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)

So, from this I see that our Biblical reason for assurance is not only that we stop certain sins, or that we said a prayer for salvation, but what matters is how our Father perfects us in His love so that "as He is, so are we in this world."

So, yes there are certain wrong things we must stop doing, but this alone is not enough. We need how God is perfecting us in His love so we are ready to share eternity with Jesus. And His correction changes us so we become ready for Jesus.

Hebrews 12:4-14 guarantees how God corrects every one of His children; so this is included in our Biblical assurance of salvation.

As we are matured in God's love, we become more like Jesus, plus we discover how our Father has us sharing with one another in this love.

So, assurance is not only for you, by yourself. But "we" (1 John 4:17) share assurance with one another, as be become and relate the way God's love has us living as family with God.

And God's word tells us actions which are anti-love. But also His word tells us about emotional and spiritual things which are against our becoming and relating like Jesus; plus He tells us how we need to relate, instead >

"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:31-32)

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

"submitting to one another in the fear of God." (Ephesians 5:21)

So, in us there can be ways of relating which are anti-love. And these can help to keep us from enjoying the goodness of intimate sharing with one another in Jesus.

"with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love," (Ephesians 4:2)

So, I see how more and more our attention needs to go to what is happening inside of us . . . not only to outward things we may do or that are no-no's. But we help one another to grow in Jesus and in loving as His family. Or else, a person could be living in an isolated, self-proclaimed sort of salvation.

We need to be with each other; God uses us to minister His grace to one another > 1 Peter 4:9-10.
 
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We are all God's children - though the church is also the bride of Christ.
You're referring to the born again, and not all mankind, right?
What makes you think that we can be his children one minute but not the next?
If that were true we'd go through our Christian lives constantly becoming/not being his children; and those things he said about not turning us away or allowing us to be taken from his hands, would be false.
 
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This is what the Pharisees told me or taught me, etc...?

What Pharisees?
It's not what Scripture says. If it was, we'd all be a a constant state of uncertainty/panic/chaos.
Have a wrong/impure/unkind thought, lose status as God's child for an hour, 5 minutes, a nanosecond or however long it takes you to confess it, after which you can be God's child again - is that what you were taught?
If so, it's no wonder you seem so uncertain and fearful about whether you will make it or be good enough.

I'd say "believe God and not the "Pharisees" - and he has said that no one can snatch you from his hands.
 
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Many think that, because of sins, especially those done right now or more recently or lately more currently, that they are disqualified or are not one of His right now currently, etc...?

What would you say...?

God Bless!
If God wasn't prepared to deal with sinful children, He would never have adopted us, ... let alone allow His Son to die on a cross to bring our atonement to pass.

We are now His children. He is our adoptive parent.

1 John 3:1 See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are!

Parents have many other options to deal with disobedient children ... than disowning them ...
 
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What Pharisees?
It's not what Scripture says. If it was, we'd all be a a constant state of uncertainty/panic/chaos.
Have a wrong/impure/unkind thought, lose status as God's child for an hour, 5 minutes, a nanosecond or however long it takes you to confess it, after which you can be God's child again - is that what you were taught?
If so, it's no wonder you seem so uncertain and fearful about whether you will make it or be good enough.

I'd say "believe God and not the "Pharisees" - and he has said that no one can snatch you from his hands.
I did kind of feel like I was speaking of more people than just only my own self, or just only my own self only, etc...

God Bless!
 
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I think the more appropriate example might be children, or that we are all God's children, rather than wife maybe, etc...

And maybe children need correction, etc...
Children do need correction ... almost constantly sometimes.

And God chastens His children as well, ... but He does not disown them ...

Hebrews 12

6 "for the Lord disciplines those whom he loves,
and chastises every child whom he accepts.”

7 Endure trials for the sake of discipline. God is treating you as children; for what child is there whom a parent does not discipline?

8 If you do not share in that discipline in which all His children share, then you are illegitimate and not His children.

9 Moreover, we had human parents to discipline us, and we respected them. Should we not be even more willing to be subject to the Father of spirits and live?

10 For they disciplined us for a short time as seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share his holiness.

11 Now, discipline always seems painful rather than pleasant at the time, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
 
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The next life according to scripture will be the second coming of Jesus where the saved will be caught up to meet Him. We are also told in scripture there will be no more sin in Heaven or the New Earth. The sinners will burn up in the second death.

Revelations 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelations 22:15

Revelations 21:27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

While the devil has deceived the whole world and has made many to believe it's okay to sin, we are no longer required to keep God's holy laws which defines sin 1 John 3:4 It's not what the bible teaches. We are known by God thorough our obedience

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

We have an Advocate through Jesus if we confess

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

True repentance means you are truly sorry for sinning and want to turn from those sins and walk in a path of righteousness. Jesus gives the the help of the Holy Spirit to help us obey God's commandments. John 14:15, Acts 5:32

God bless
The 10 commandmentsr I think would be present, in one form or another, in other civilisations even pre Moses.
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The 10 commandmentsr I think would be present, in one form or another, in other civilisations even pre Moses.
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Paul testifies their conscience was their law (Romans 2:14-15).

Pagans cared for the sick and elderly, honored their parents, condemned adultery.
 
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The 10 commandmentsr I think would be present, in one form or another, in other civilisations even pre Moses.
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Agree.

We are told where there is no law there is no sin. Lucifer sinned in Heaven which is why he was thrown out so God’s laws started in Heaven.

Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Revelations 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple.

We all know what is in the ark of the Covenant.

God bless
 
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I can just say to sin, that i do not believe, how many in christianity believe. I am glad that i do not, by my observations (on this site) most people (christians) are battling sin. Not in a discipleship way, as in growing as a believer. But in a way as unbeliever and placing their selves at some imagined judgment by God. To see if their sins are eventually not bad enough and to hope they are judged as having salvation by God.

What a life of doubt and worry this thinking must be on the mind set of christian people who believe this way.
Not knowing where they will end up, heaven or hell until they are finally judged by God.
 
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I did kind of feel like I was speaking of more people than just only my own self, or just only my own self only, etc...

Yes, but what people?
You said that you had been taught things by Pharisees. Do you mean literal, Jewish Pharisees, or someone else?
 
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Yes, but what people?
You said that you had been taught things by Pharisees. Do you mean literal, Jewish Pharisees, or someone else?
Other people who have been taught this by the Pharisees...

And all who teach this absolutely are Pharisees, etc...

God Bless!
 
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