You mean, even after the trial in Acts where the head rabbi tells Jewish people to leave the Christians alone, they would have exterminated them?
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You mean, even after the trial in Acts where the head rabbi tells Jewish people to leave the Christians alone, they would have exterminated them?
By the Holy Spirit Christians tell the difference between a Government ordained by Yahshua and a gang of robbers & extortionists.
It's very simple... all nations are guilty, having consumed the blood of labor and become drunk and inflated. It is time for the Saints to stand fast as they are now being sealed unto the last.
There shall first be a false peace among all nations and Israel and that peace will be broken. There has been peace among all nations and Israel. The only thing that would be more defining peace with Israel would be a peace with other muslim nations like Iran etc... in that case, there would be a confrontation between Israel and those nations like Iran, that would be on a WMD scale that would scare all the nations into the perfect false peace. This year is calling that reality into play. Israel will not let Iran become a threat, the clock is ticking and if there is any movement like another 911 Israel will attack. They may do it without another 911, it does not matter, Iran has declared the intentions of a suicidal nation, no one can escape that fact. This is the main reason why the people are protesting in Iran right now, they know their leader is exposing them to a massive loss of life and is a crazy nut that thinks Yahshua will come back and have mercy upon him for attacking Israel and developing a cause for Israel to attack ''Cyrus''.
There is now a new world economic order based on so much debt exposure, labor is subject to the mark of the nations inversion which is devouring the principle of labor. The price for goods does not reflect this properly at this time because, the nations central banks have conspired to bring down interest rates. There is not enough production to support the new world order inversion that has been intentionally designed to expose labor as a means to establish a new single universal world order global market system that affects all individuals that buy sell or trade. There is no legal way to escape the laws that prohibit people from separating from this global inflation tax system now. The strong delusion given by God to these new world order Babylon kings is just the judgment of persons that is allowed because, the Laodicean now is as in the days of Noah. There are many that are among the numbered Saints that did not understand what was happening and were deceived but, the ones that will understand what is happening now are witnessing the revelation of prophesy and the out pouring of the Holy Spirit happening NOW!
We are all subject to the violence and tribulation to come, such as the world has never known. If the days were not shorten for the sake of the elect, all flesh would be destroyed.
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Got a problem with the question that asks Christians to answer ''What... The... Heck?'' This post, you have defined has ''entered The Twilight Zone'' is an expression of contempt or lack of understanding. Contempt for the question by virtue of any answer as a non Christian should offer? or because persons are not Christian and do not understand contemporary revelation?
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Prophesy is key to the question ''how do Christians tell if a government is ordained''. The Holy Spirit reveals prophesy to answer this question. The wages of sin is death, the world gets to a point where even the wages of sin are so corrupted, the contemporary writing on the wall is as the old Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin written on the wall in Babylon.
The kingdom of Babylon was found wanting and was invade that night by king Cyrus. Babylon was in the region of the two rivers, that's what Mesopotamia means. Cyrus came from the region which would be now describe as Iran. So you see, the new world order that exists now is defined by a global prophetic monetary system equally found as wanting as the king of Babylon just before the prophetic Cyrus came an invaded, fulfilling prophesy.
It was written that Cyrus would do this long before he was born. If you are a Christian, it does not escape you that America is the new world order invader in possession of Babylon now and the prophetic monetary reality is clearly the prophetic City of Babylon system at hand at this time, as is the nation of Israel at peace under the U.N.. When asked how does a Christian know, the answer is always confirmed by the Holy Spirit and prophesy.
The kingdom of Babylon was found wanting and was invade that night by king Cyrus. Babylon was in the region of the two rivers, that's what Mesopotamia means. Cyrus came from the region which would be now describe as Iran. So you see, the new world order that exists now is defined by a global prophetic monetary system equally found as wanting as the king of Babylon just before the prophetic Cyrus came an invaded, fulfilling prophesy.
It was written that Cyrus would do this long before he was born. If you are a Christian, it does not escape you that America is the new world order invader in possession of Babylon now and the prophetic monetary reality is clearly the prophetic City of Babylon system at hand at this time, as is the nation of Israel at peace under the U.N.. When asked how does a Christian know, the answer is always confirmed by the Holy Spirit and prophesy.
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Sooooo, the DIFFERENCE between theft/extortion and Government resides in size??????????
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Stormahead
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Everywhere in the M.E. where jews managed to briefly slip free of the Romans for the next two hundred years they murdered every Christian they could lay hands on.
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No it's legitimate authority. A thief has no legitimate authority to remove money from my possession, a government has legitimate authority to remove a percentage of my income from me.
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It has been known to happen once or twice in history and recent times, people disobeying their leaders and continuing to commit acts of violence against a group of people of a given religion/race etc.
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It was an expression of utter bafflement. Which continues. If by contemporary revelation you mean somehow fitting modern events into bible prophecies, then yes, I do not understand and never will. To me it is like stepping into the twilight zone.
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lawtonfogle
My solace my terror, my terror my solace.
I have heard the explanation which says Paul was saying to to not act out as it would destroy ones witness. Don't go "Nah nah, I don't have to listen to you because I have a new, better, and far more powerful ruler." On the other hand, opposing some governments will booster ones witness, especially in today's world.
To put it simply, becoming a Christian is not a reason to stop following ones current government. Of course, what Paul actually writes is a bit different than that (it sounds more absolute of an "Obey" order). For some people, there are sufficient explanations to overcome this (culture, he was being a bit over strict because based on the idea (set the boundary to be a mile, and they won't go farther than 2), ect.), others do not. I just think of some of the leaders throughout human history, and realize that it would be wrong to listen, so who cares if it is wrong to not.
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lawtonfogle
My solace my terror, my terror my solace.
And if the world was as populated back then as it is today, the blood would have been just a thicker... if not thicker.
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lawtonfogle
My solace my terror, my terror my solace.
Ah, but the thief has been granted a 'Godly' authority over your life. Who are you to try and overthrow it? But better, he has the same authority over your children.
Of course, I don't go for the standard interpretation...
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lawtonfogle
My solace my terror, my terror my solace.
I think you have come full circle. The original question posed is no different than asking how do you know which 'government' has authority or not. How can you be sure the gang doesn't have authority, while a bigger group does?
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lawtonfogle
My solace my terror, my terror my solace.
Not to mention it is a practice which has a track record of failing for as long as humans have been able to write. It has a few successes, but flip enough coins and one will land on its side (and stay there for a decent amount of time).
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I really feel for Paul in this case.
He wrote a series of letters and 2000 years later they are scrutinized word by word by Christians (and non-Christians sometimes) because it's claimed that what he wrote is divinely inspired. He didn't seem to intend to compile his works into a finished product to be considered divine. He was a preacher and religious leader, so taking his works as divine is equivalent to taking any modern preacher's written accounts as divine.
He wrote a series of letters and 2000 years later they are scrutinized word by word by Christians (and non-Christians sometimes) because it's claimed that what he wrote is divinely inspired. He didn't seem to intend to compile his works into a finished product to be considered divine. He was a preacher and religious leader, so taking his works as divine is equivalent to taking any modern preacher's written accounts as divine.
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I absolutely agree. It appears that many Evangelican Christians have - by no authority from God - built an entire theology/religion around the 'Pauline' scriptures. I've wondered many times how Christianity would have been affected had the New Testament stopped after the four gospels. It seems to me that Paul's epistles have been responsible for much dissention within the Church that would not have occurred had they not been given the 'divinity' that they have. I realize this is not the fault of Paul although I do have the impression that he had a rather narcisistic and chauvinistic personality.
Perhaps "What would Christianity be without Paul?" might be a good topic for another thread but I'm not sure if it would fit the ethics & morality criteria.
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