Signs of the Times... what do you see?

[Douggg]

I'm talking about this very specific generational timeline in Matthew 1:17 :

So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ are fourteen generations.

Show us how 70 years = one generation in this passage please.
Should be simple math.

King David died at 70 years old.

 

[parousia70]

King David died at 70 years old.

ok so we need to account for 27 more consecutive "70 year" generations from David to Christ.

David Became King of Israel in 1002 BC, 1000 years before Christ.
1000/28= 35.714 years per generation

Even if we stretch it From king Davids Birth (1030BC) to the Anointing of Christ (26AD),
28 Generations = 37.678 years per generation

For your 70 year generation position to be correct, Christ would have had to come on the scene no earlier than 960AD, for 28 "70 year generations" from David to Christ, take us from 1000 BC to 960 AD.

A biblical Generation is 40 years.
Thus your conclusions as to what would happen a "generation" after 1967, are wrong.

 

[Dave Watchman]

A biblical Generation is 40 years.

I don't think that it can be. Nothing happened in 2007. So it must be talking about something else. It's like the process of elimination.

Thus your conclusions as to what would happen a "generation" after 1967, are wrong.

I agree with you. It's the "generation" that sees the 1948 Fig Tree which won't pass away until ALL is fulfilled. 1967 was interesting, but there was no decree. No command to "restore".

1969 + the compass of a Jubilee, seven "sevens", is where we're firing on all cylinders.

I was looking at the last two pages of this thread and couldn't figure out what you guys are arguing about.

I see sign sign everywhere a sign blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?

"Thank you, Lord, for thinkin' 'bout me.
I'm alive and doin' fine"

That's how it's looKing to me.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Where does the Bible teach it would be thousands of years later?

Where does the Bible teach it would be thousands of years later?

Where does the Bible teach it would be thousands of years later?

Where does the Bible teach it would be thousands of years later?

“For 2,300 evenings and mornings.
Then the sanctuary shall be restored to its rightful state.”​

This means that there would be zero chance of seeing the LH8, (Man of Sin), and hence the Second Coming until sometime AFTER 1844.

Daniel unsealed for the final "generation".

 

[Dave Watchman]

So they took 1948 added 70 years for the length of a generation (Psalms 90) and came up with Jesus returning no later than 2018.

It looks like I went far enough back in the thread to find what you guys were arguing about on page 14. I don't think that the problem is with these numbers.

Not yet.

The problem arose because there are the 7 years of the 70th week that must precede Jesus's return - which would have meant 2011 as the no later than start of the 70th week.

Didn't happen. So that theory fizzled.

The problem, what has "fizzled", is the 70th week. There's no such thing as a 7 year end time tribulation. Daniel 9's 70th week is over with. It ran from AD27 until AD33.

Jesus said that it would be the worst time ever from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. Would this not include the duration of the flood? And if these days were not shortened there would be "NO FLESH" saved alive. It gives the impression that these days couldn't be any longer than the time that Noah spent in the ark. Noah was about a year in the ark or around 370 days.

That Revelation 12 sign is carving out seven "sevens", or 49 days, and then 370 days until a "darkened" sun and a moon that will not give it's light. Coincidence?

Based on the magnitude of the Event that we're talking about, I'd be keeping my options open.

More Options...

 

[parousia70]

I don't think that it can be. Nothing happened in 2007. So it must be talking about something else. It's like the process of elimination.

Agreed... sort of...

Nothing happened in 2007, nothing happened in 1988.

Therefore Jesus must've been speaking about the generation that was alive at the time HE SPOKE, and not some future generation, for within His 40 year generation, the temple (one of the things included in "all these things") fell, on time, as promised, when the owner of the Vineyard came and destroyed those wicked men miserably. Jesus, the cornerstone, ground them to powder. Matthew 21:33-45

 

[Dave Watchman]

Nothing happened in 2007, nothing happened in 1988.

But you can't say Nothing happened in 2018. Not yet.

therefore Jesus must've been speaking about the generation that was alive at the time HE SPOKE, and not some future generation, for within His 40 year generation, the temple (one of the things included in "all these things") fell, on time, as promised.

Agreed... sort of...

Luke 21's "days of vengeance" was the DofJ. Luke 21 was split into thirds starting after: "But before all this".

Luke 21 and Matthew 24 are too tricky to get into here. Jesus was inside the Temple during the daytime in front of a crowd of people during Luke 21. Rich, poor, widows and all His disciples were there during the daytime..

Matthew 24 saw Jesus leaving the temple and going away. After a 20 minute walk down through the Kiddron valley and up to the mount called Olivet it was night time as He sat on the Mount of Olives. The discourse was private, only a handful of His disciples were there in attendance.

"And every day he was teaching in the temple, but at night he went out and lodged on the mount called Olivet.

"And early in the morning all the people came to him in the temple to hear him.​

But at night he went out and lodged on the mount called Olivet

 

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[Dave Watchman]

“Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?” ~Revelation 6:15-17

The nuclear bunkers designed for luxury living - BBC News
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimdob...largest-planned-doomsday-escape/#145f0ece306f
Why Are So Many Among The Elite Building Luxury Bunkers In Preparation For An Imminent "Apocalypse"? | Zero Hedge

I think this would qualify as a sign.

From the Zero hedge article:

"And just a few weeks ago a Hollywood Reporter article entitled “Panic, Anxiety Spark Rush to Build Luxury Bunkers for L.A.’s Superrich” talked about how “Oscar winners, sports stars and Bill Gates are building lavish bunkers” because of their anxiety about what is coming next.​

But notice what the majority are doing:

"This is all very odd, because among the general population interest in “prepping” has hit a multi-year low. In fact, sales of emergency food and supplies are way down at the moment across the entire industry.​

Saying that there's "peace and safety"?

 

[Another Lazarus]

 

[parousia70]

Clearly they don't control the ability (or lack thereof) of the creator of this meme to employ proper grammar...

I've received emails from widows of Nigerian Princes with $50 Million Dollars to share with me that had better grammar than this meme...

 

[parousia70]

But you can't say Nothing happened in 2018. Not yet.

That's right! The major Blood moon tetrad of 2015 hasn't happened ye.... wait.
Never mind.

Agreed... sort of...

Luke 21's "days of vengeance" was the DofJ. Luke 21 was split into thirds starting after: "But before all this".Luke 21 and Matthew 24 are too tricky to get into here

Is there a reason you cite only Luke 21 and Matt 24 as a response to my inquiry to get you to address Matthew 21:33-45?

 

[Douggg]

Based on the magnitude of the Event that we're talking about, I'd be keeping my options open.

Dave, as time moves forward the picture is going to become more in focus. Right now I am looking at the EU and a ten leader form of government, some change to what it is now. Once we get that, everything gets confirmed at that point because the little horn will be leader over those ten leaders. Everything is triggered then. We want be arguing over the parable of the fig tree any more at that point.

 

[Douggg]

ok so we need to account for 27 more consecutive "70 year" generations from David to Christ.

David Became King of Israel in 1002 BC, 1000 years before Christ.
1000/28= 35.714 years per generation

Even if we stretch it From king Davids Birth (1030BC) to the Anointing of Christ (26AD),
28 Generations = 37.678 years per generation

For your 70 year generation position to be correct, Christ would have had to come on the scene no earlier than 960AD, for 28 "70 year generations" from David to Christ, take us from 1000 BC to 960 AD.

A biblical Generation is 40 years.
Thus your conclusions as to what would happen a "generation" after 1967, are wrong.

I am not understanding your rationale because no matter how you come up with 40 years - all those combinations of base years plus 40 years have fizzled out.
1948+40 = 1988 fizzle
1967+40 = 2007 fizzle

The only combination left is 1967+70= 2037.

 

[parousia70]

I am not understanding your rationale because no matter how you come up with 40 years - all those combinations of base years plus 40 years have fizzled out.
1948+40 = 1988 fizzle
1967+40 = 2007 fizzle

The only combination left is 1967+70= 2037.

Again, you are taking your pre-determined conclusion, and attempting to make the text fit it.

I suggest letting the text speak for itself, and adjust your conclusion to fit the text.

 

[Riberra]

as time moves forward the picture is going to become more in focus. Right now I am looking at the EU and a ten leader form of government, some change to what it is now. Once we get that, everything gets confirmed at that point because the little horn will be leader over those ten leaders. Everything is triggered then. We want be arguing over the parable of the fig tree any more at that point.

I am sure that when the EU got its 10 th country member in 1981 you believed that it was the fulfillment of what you were looking for....
-10 countries revival of Rome +7 years of tribulation =1988
Israel founded in 1948 +a biblical generation 40 years=1988


-In 1981, Greece becomes the 10th member of the EU and Spain and Portugal follow five years later. In 1986-

You totally miss the boat with the EU 10 Countries ....

You should look for something more global the World -reorganized- into 10 regional grouping that will be ruled by 10 rulers ..that will be implemented in the future after an already planned Third World War and economical crash ...

Link
UN Divides the World into 10 Regional Groupings: The Post World War II New World Order Map

God reveals that the coming of Antichrist will be preceded by the deliberate action and planning of 10 rulers that will gain all political power in the world just before Antichrist arises. In fact, the entire world will be reorganized into 10 Super Nations. The creation of NAFTA had nothing to do with economics; rather, NAFTA is Nation #1 of this 10-nation reorganization plan, of which the Bible prophesies in Daniel and in Revelation.

Listen now to God's prophecy concerning the secret plans which these 10 rulers devise to seize control of the world and then hand this control over to Antichrist [the Beast]. Notice that these 10 rulers are secretly working with Antichrist even before he becomes public:

"The 10 horns that you observed are 10 rulers... who are to receive power and authority for a single hour, along with the beast. These have one common policy (purpose), and they deliver their power to the beast... God has put it into their hearts to carry out His own purpose by acting in harmony in surrendering their royal power and authority to the beast until the prophetic words of God shall be fulfilled." [Revelation 17:12-13, 17]

A careful reading of this passage makes it very clear that the 10 rulers devise a plan prior to the appearance of Antichrist, and that they plan to turn their political power over to Antichrist as soon as he arises. This scenario is very consistent with Daniel's revelations about the 10 toes and 10 rulers in chapters 2 and 7, respectively.

The -globalists- charge to a United Nations' government, we know that this is Satan's plan, not God's. We can also know that its final implementation is the result of a conspiracy, supernaturally directed by Satan for well over 100 years. And, just as the Bible foretold, this conspiracy will result in the appearance of Antichrist.

WW3 - Albert Pike and the Three World Wars

UN Divides the World into 10 Regional Groupings: The Post World War II New World Order Map

 

[Douggg]

You totally miss the boat with the EU 10 Countries ....

No, I would not say 10 countries. Although it could turn out that way. It is only necessary to be ten leaders over the EU as a group, and one leader over them Right now we just cannot forsee what it is going to look like specifically and what that body of leaders are going to be called..

 

[Riberra]

No, I would not say 10 countries. Although it could turn out that way. It is only necessary to be ten leaders over the EU as a group, and one leader over them Right now we just cannot forsee what it is going to look like specifically and what that body of leaders are going to be called..

The New World Order will be implemented after WW3 and economic crash :

WW3 - Albert Pike and the Three World Wars

The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the 'agentur' of the 'Illuminati' between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion¦We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.4



Since the terrorist attacks of Sept 11, 2001, world events, and in particular in the Middle East, show a growing unrest and instability between Modern Zionism and the Arabic World. This is completely in line with the call for a Third World War to be fought between the two, and their allies on both sides. This Third World War is still to come, and recent events show us that it is not far off.

 

[Douggg]

Since the terrorist attacks of Sept 11, 2001, world events, and in particular in the Middle East, show a growing unrest and instability between Modern Zionism and the Arabic World. This is completely in line with the call for a Third World War to be fought between the two, and their allies on both sides. This Third World War is still to come, and recent events show us that it is not far off.

I would not call it a third world war, but Gog/Magog. Which God does the judgment.

 

[Archivist]

Well, you probably don't remember what you wrote in post 238...

"And you have not identified why your interpretation is right while others were wrong. In fact others in this thread have pointed out that there are flwas in what you are saying."

So I ask for the specifics of each failed interpretation to identify specifically why they were wrong. Which you are declining to give.

Because the specifics of why they were wrong isn't relevant. The fact is that they were wrong. Again, you haven't explained why your prediction is right when every other prediction to date is wrong.

Now you are going back to no-one knows the day nor hour.

I'm not "going back" to anything. I've said that all along.

Which again, the bible doesn't instruct us to pinpoint the day nor the hour, but to learn the parable of the fig tree.

You claim that you have "learned the parable of the fig tree" and based on that the world is going to end by a certain year. What if you are wrong? What if what you are saying the parable represents is incorrect, that it is referring to something else entirely?

So what is your interpretation of the fig tree and the length of a generation?

I don't have one because I don't try to predict when Jesus will return. He will come in His time. The fig tree blooms, produces fruit, dioes and is replaced by another fig tree.

Which I don't think you want to learn the parable of the fig tree, but just sit back and criticize without actually making a tangible biblical argument.

I have made a "tangible biblical argument." If only the Father knows when Jesus will return then we shouldn't be making predictions.