should the NHS be shut down, so that English people can just evolve?

[PsychoSarah]

You're barking up the wrong tree here.

I think YECs are wrong, but I support them 100% in their fight against evolution.

Really? So you support bad science because it helps to get rid of something you think challenges your world view

 

[Loudmouth]

You're barking up the wrong tree here.

I think YECs are wrong, but I support them 100% in their fight against evolution.

Why do you purposefully spread lies?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why do you purposefully spread lies?

You mean by saying God embedded age into His creation? or Jesus walked on water?

 

[PsychoSarah]

You mean by saying God embedded age into His creation? or that Jesus walked on water?

No, by supporting people you know are incorrect or feel are incorrect (YECs) when they address a point.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, by supporting people you know are incorrect or feel are incorrect (YECs) when they address a point.

Should I stop supporting this site monetarily if I disagree with the owner?

 

[Loudmouth]

You mean by saying God embedded age into His creation? or Jesus walked on water?

Can you keep track of a conversation or not?

This is the lie that you keep spreading.

"According to one authority on evolution, if evolution is actually true, then the next step up for mankind is the tobacco plant."

 

[PsychoSarah]

Should I stop supporting this site monetarily if I disagree with the owner?

Depends on what you disagree with and whether or not that matters in the context of the site.

 

[Dizredux]

Do you consider him a defender of the faith?

If not, should I consider you a defender of the faith?

(Or do you just not care?)

No, unfortunally I feel him to be very dishonest and I suspect he does a lot of damage to efforts to bring people to Christ.

I care very much and worry about people like Hovind driving young people away from Christianity. I think blatant and egregious lying is probably one of the worse things you can do in trying to invite and keep young people in the church.


Of course AV, your mileage might vary.


Dizredux

 

[AV1611VET]

No, unfortunally I feel him to be very dishonest ...

Fair enough.

How about we consider you just as dishonest because you believe the "lie" of TE?

I find it interesting that some Christians couldn't care less about whether one is a TE, YEC, or OEC; yet let someone badmouth science, and it's like they've stepped on hallowed ground and should be declared anathema maranatha.

[Rhetorical questions:]

Which error is worse in your eyes?

Thinking God made the universe in six solar days, or thinking evolution is "just a theory"?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Fair enough.

How about we consider you just as dishonest because you believe the "lie" of TE?

I find it interesting that some Christians couldn't care less about whether one is a TE, YEC, or OEC; yet let someone badmouth science, and it's like they've stepped on hallowed ground and should be declared anathema maranatha.

[Rhetorical questions:]

Which error is worse in your eyes?

Thinking God made the universe in six solar days, or thinking evolution is "just a theory"?

God making the universe in 6 solar days, since the sun wasn't there for a couple of them

 

[Dizredux]

Fair enough.

How about we consider you just as dishonest because you believe the "lie" of TE?

I'm sorry but I feel that is a very foolish thing for you to say. We were discussing Hovind. In my opinion he is deliberately dishonest without excuse. That is far different than someone simply disagreeing.

While I may not agree with some of them, I do not call your religious beliefs lies because you apparently believe them. If someone believes something to be true even if it turns out not to be, then they are not lying. Hovind, on the other hand, I feel is deliberately dishonest or at least has no respect for being truthful.

I find it interesting that some Christians couldn't care less about whether one is a TE, YEC, or OEC; yet let someone badmouth science, and it's like they've stepped on hallowed ground and should be declared anathema maranatha.

Perhaps some do but I am not responsible for them, only for myself.

[Rhetorical questions:]

Which error is worse in your eyes?

Thinking God made the universe in six solar days, or thinking evolution is "just a theory"?

The idea of a six day creation is not a problem to me if it is someone's sincere religious belief. It is problem however if they insist that it is fact and wants it to be taught in science class.

On "Just a theory", Very often this is not being dishonest as this is what people they trust tell them. All it really says is that the person does not know much about science.

So one is not a problem and the other is correctable if the person wishes to learn.

On the theory of evolution, since there is huge and I mean huge amounts of evidence supporting it, the TOE could hardly be termed a lie.

Dizredux

 

[[serious]]

We should get rid of breaks on cars and just let Newton's laws of motion do their thing!

 

[Loudmouth]

How about we consider you just as dishonest because you believe the "lie" of TE?

TE's don't have to lie in order to support their claims.

Do you really think you are justified in spreading misinformation just because you don't like other peoples' theology?

 

[gattaca]

pharmaceutical companies getting rich from sell bogus drugs to NHS


What the Tamiflu saga tells us about drug trials and big pharma | Business | The Guardian

 

[USincognito]

You do know that NAZI is an acronym for "socialism," don't you?

We do not because it's not true.

You don't make an acronym with letters from a word that's not in the phrase, nor do you use more than one letter in an acronym.

But when has being factual, accurate and correct or off topic ever stopped you.

 

[InLight]

pharmaceutical companies getting rich from sell bogus drugs to NHS

The NHS does something that would make all THINKING Americans sleep easy in their beds,
it takes away the prospect of losing everything because of illness or an accident.

The US claims not to have anything to do with socialism, however,
One in seven Americans receive food stamps, that's about 46.5 million Americans.
food stamps are now known as Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP.

Here are a few facts (dirty word) about myths that Americans think are true.

Myth #1.
The US government is involved in class warfare attacking the rich to lift up the poor.

There is a class war going on all right. But it is the rich against the rest of us and the rich are winning. The gap between the rich and everyone else is wider in the US than any of the 30 other countries surveyed. In fact, the top 10% in the US have a higher annual income than any other country. And the poorest 10% in the US are below the average of the other OECD countries. The rich in the U.S. have been rapidly leaving the middle class and poor behind since the 1980s.

Myth #2.
The US already has the greatest health care system in the world.

Infant mortality in the US is 4th worst among OECD countries – better only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.

Myth #3.
There is less poverty in the US than anywhere.

Child poverty in the US, at over 20% or one out of every five kids, is double the average of the 30 OECD countries.

Myth #4.
The US is generous in its treatment of families with children.

The US ranks in the bottom half of countries in terms of financial benefits for families with children. Over half of the 30 OECD countries pay families with children cash benefits regardless of the income of the family. Some among those countries (e.g. Austria, France and Germany) pay additional benefits if the family is low-income, or one of the parents is unemployed.

Myth #5.
The US is very supportive of its workers.

The US gives no paid leave for working mothers having children. Every single one of the other 30 OECD countries has some form of paid leave. The US ranks dead last in this. Over two thirds of the countries give some form of paid paternity leave. The US also gives no paid leave for fathers.

In fact, it is only workers in the US who have no guaranteed days of paid leave at all. Korea is the next lowest to the US and it has a minimum of 8 paid annual days of leave. Most of the other 30 countries require a minimum of 20 days of annual paid leave for their workers.

Myth #6.
Poor people have more chance of becoming rich in the US than anywhere else.

Social mobility (how children move up or down the economic ladder in comparison with their parents) in earnings, wages and education tends to be easier in Australia, Canada and Nordic countries like Denmark, Norway, and Finland, than in the US. That means more of the rich stay rich and more of the poor stay poor in the US.

Myth #7.
The US spends generously on public education.

In terms of spending for public education, the US is just about average among the 30 countries of the OECD. Educational achievement of US children, however, is 7th worst in the OECD. On public spending for childcare and early education, the US is in the bottom third.

Myth #8.
The US government is redistributing income from the rich to the poor.

There is little redistribution of income by government in the U.S. in part because spending on social benefits like unemployment and family benefits is so low. Of the 30 countries in the OECD, only in Korea is the impact of governmental spending lower.

Myth #9.
The US generously gives foreign aid to countries across the world.

The US gives the smallest percentage of aid of any of the developed countries in the OECD. In 2007 the US was tied for last with Greece. In 2008, we were tied for last with Japan.

Despite the opinions of right wing people, the facts say the US is not on the path towards socialism.

But if socialism means the US would go down the path of being more generous with their babies, their children, their working families, their pregnant mothers, and their sisters and brothers across the world, I think we would all appreciate it.

 

[[serious]]

pharmaceutical companies getting rich from sell bogus drugs to NHS


What the Tamiflu saga tells us about drug trials and big pharma | Business | The Guardian

Google and Amazon are getting rich from the internet. That makes teh internet bogus and it should be banned!

 

[naveed]

should the NHS be shut down, so that English people can just evolve?

should the NHS be shut down, so that English people can just evolve?

why are there so many sick English people?

 

[bhsmte]

He shouldn't be.

He has to be.

 

[bhsmte]

No, unfortunally I feel him to be very dishonest and I suspect he does a lot of damage to efforts to bring people to Christ.

I care very much and worry about people like Hovind driving young people away from Christianity. I think blatant and egregious lying is probably one of the worse things you can do in trying to invite and keep young people in the church.


Of course AV, your mileage might vary.


Dizredux

Studies have demonstrated, it is people like Hovind, that drive many young people from the church.