Should Christians support Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.

[ToBeLoved]

Even in Islam Jesus is revered as a prophet of God.
In contrast, in Modern Judaism, Jesus is believed to be in Hell boiling in excrement presently.

Odd that Christians prefer Judaism's view of Christ over Islam's.

I agree.

I think that Christians assume because the Jewish people follow the Old Testament that they are open to Christ and just do not believe in Him. But ask a Jew if Jesus even comes from the line of David and chances are they won't even have considered it as a possiblity. The culture is against anything Jesus and wont even speak His name much less look at Him as anything but an imposter.

They are brought up that to even think or speak about Jesus is to betray their culture. Jesus is not even evaluated.


It's very sad.

 

[Hethatreadethit]

That same spirit (which in your writings, you are confusing as not in the believing "gentiles" (which is not God's meaning of gentile Christians , but your own)

I wish I could cross out the word gentile Christian because there aren't any...not if they are born again of HIS SPIRIT

If a gentile believes the gospel and is born of Christ's spirit, he has been counted in THE ISRAEL of GOD which is HIS SON

Not all of Israel are of ISRAEL

However GOD has reserved to HIMSELF a remnant who will also believe

Hi 5
I wish everyone would be saved and all believers could rejoice under the banner of ISRAEL.
Realistically there is a Spiritual war taking place and the key player on the bad side is called satan. Things now seem to be low key, perhaps because most of the Gentile Christian world and Jews as well are asleep. If the light is beginning to shine in this very early morning hour, it is because God is going to make His presence known, and then the forces of darkness will be confronted and their identity will be manifested. This short time will be the last chance to come out of sin for any believers left standing.

If I seem harsh or arrogant, I speak according to what I believe, and it is not the concept of the world and its fast food religion. Christ was not a smooth talker and He put the traditions of the Jews in their place. I am by no means a traditional religious person, but I seek the truth no matter how harsh the reality. So don't cry about how harsh I am, just try to understand the concepts I reveal.

Psa 51:7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.

 

[Hethatreadethit]

Watch this Rabbi and You'll know enough:

All that bickering. That's why there is FOOTBALL. I don't get upset about people's indifference, for all matters big and small, God will judge in His own time. Speak the truth and pursue peace with all. And share a good joke once in a while.

 

[Hethatreadethit]

Even in Islam Jesus is revered as a prophet of God.
In contrast, in Modern Judaism, Jesus is believed to be in Hell boiling in excrement presently.

Odd that Christians prefer Judaism's view of Christ over Islam's.

PAUL KILLED CHRISTIANS

 

[Hethatreadethit]

What we need to realize is that it all comes down to the Messiah for the Jews and that Jesus is not it.

So that is why they think we are pagan. However, it seems to me that in this culture that little is known about Jesus at all. They do not even evaluate Jesus as a 'could be' Messiah, but instead totally ignore the idea at all because their culture is waiting for someone to set things right as far as Israel and the Jewish peoples are concerned. I may be wrong, but this is what I see.

I would rather call Jesus the Messiah or the Christ or the Lord or the Word of God. Why? Because whatever the name, it has been run into the ground and tread over, and abused, and lied about, falsely testified, and cast down to a position equivalent or slightly less than aspirin. Paul said and understood that this would all turn into DELUSION or spiritual drunkenness.

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Deu 29:19 And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:

This comes about from removing your ears from the truth to follow after your own will.

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

That is why it takes hundreds of different church's to deceive the world around them.

Isa 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

 

[Hethatreadethit]

So you believe Paul meant "every human on earth" when he said "all Israel".
Got it.
Thanks for clarifying.

Your welcome

 

[parousia70]

Is HE honored just as THE FATHER is honored?

Nope, but at least they don't make the claim that He is currently in Hell Boiling in excrement for His sins the way Jews Do.

Why you prefer the Jewish view of Jesus over and Above Islam's remains a mystery to me though..

 

[parousia70]

Islam substitutes Mohammed's word over JESUS

They are willing to believe that Mohammed has great standing
The Jews don't do that

Indeed. Unlike Muslims, Jews believe Jesus is currently in Hell Boiling in Excrement, but for some reason so many Christians give Jews a pass on that...

That is those who truly belong in **ISRAEL, HIS SON**

Which would be Jesus, His Jewish Followers, with Gentiles grafted in.
You Know, THE CHURCH.

 

[ToBeLoved]

PAUL KILLED CHRISTIANS

Before he turned to Christ.

So does not Christ saving Paul and justifying him (declaring him righteous) mean anything less then?

If Christ didn't or wouldn't forgive each of us, we would all be on the fast track to "H E double toothpick".

 

[miknik5]

Hi 5
I wish everyone would be saved and all believers could rejoice under the banner of ISRAEL.
Realistically there is a Spiritual war taking place and the key player on the bad side is called satan. Things now seem to be low key, perhaps because most of the Gentile Christian world and Jews as well are asleep. If the light is beginning to shine in this very early morning hour, it is because God is going to make His presence known, and then the forces of darkness will be confronted and their identity will be manifested. This short time will be the last chance to come out of sin for any believers left standing.

If I seem harsh or arrogant, I speak according to what I believe, and it is not the concept of the world and its fast food religion. Christ was not a smooth talker and He put the traditions of the Jews in their place. I am by no means a traditional religious person, but I seek the truth no matter how harsh the reality. So don't cry about how harsh I am, just try to understand the concepts I reveal.

Psa 51:7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.

Yes
Only ONE who washes
And if HE does not wash us, we have no part with HIM

(John 13)

 

[miknik5]

I would rather call Jesus the Messiah or the Christ or the Lord or the Word of God. Why? Because whatever the name, it has been run into the ground and tread over, and abused, and lied about, falsely testified, and cast down to a position equivalent or slightly less than aspirin. Paul said and understood that this would all turn into DELUSION or spiritual drunkenness.

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Deu 29:19 And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:

This comes about from removing your ears from the truth to follow after your own will.

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

That is why it takes hundreds of different church's to deceive the world around them.

Isa 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

Would you say that the members of THE CHURCH do not believe?

Or is it that they aren't showing a more profound witness of CHRIST to unbelievers?

 

[miknik5]

Indeed. Unlike Muslims, Jews believe Jesus is currently in Hell Boiling in Excrement, but for some reason so many Christians give Jews a pass on that...



Which would be Jesus, His Jewish Followers, with Gentiles grafted in.
You Know, THE CHURCH.

You don't like HIS BODY?

HE isn't excluding anyone
But there is a requirement

That's faith and belief in THE GOSPEL

Which is not restricted to either Jew (those near) or gentile (those far)

 

[parousia70]

You don't like HIS BODY?

What exactly did I say that gave you THAT idea??

HE isn't excluding anyone
But there is a requirement

That's faith and belief in THE GOSPEL

Correct. An I've never even hinted that I believe otherwise, so I'm still unclear why you are directing this at me?

Which is not restricted to either Jew (those near) or gentile (those far)

Gentiles haven't been "far" for 2000 years now... Gentiles ceased being "far off" in the first century when they were, at that time, through their Faith in Christ, "Brought near" as "fellow Citizens" of the "commonwealth of Israel" (Ephesians 2:11-19)

 

[parousia70]

Things now seem to be low key, perhaps because most of the Gentile Christian world and Jews as well are asleep.

Oddly Today, those who practice Christianity are True Israel, while those who practice Judaism are genetic gentiles, excluded from any covenant relationship with the living God.

 

[miknik5]

What exactly did I say that gave you THAT idea??



Correct. An I've never even hinted that I believe otherwise, so I'm still unclear why you are directing this at me?



Gentiles haven't been "far" for 2000 years now... Gentiles ceased being "far off" in the first century when they were, at that time, through their Faith in Christ, "Brought near" as "fellow Citizens" of the "commonwealth of Israel" (Ephesians 2:11-19)

Only those "gentiles" who believe

 

[miknik5]

Oddly Today, those who practice Christianity are True Israel, while those who practice Judaism are genetic gentiles, excluded from any covenant relationship with the living God.

Excludes only if they remain in unbelief

But if they believe they too will be grafted into the "olive tree"

 

[parousia70]

Only those "gentiles" who believe

Are you saying one day this will be extended to gentiles who do not believe as well?

 

[parousia70]

Excludes only if they remain in unbelief

Indeed.

But if they believe they too will be grafted into the "olive tree"

Exactly.

So what was your objection again?

 

[miknik5]

I think we have a different understanding of a gentile and a Jew

The Jew (those "near" who had the word and promises of God) and the gentile (those "far" who didn't)

And yes in THE BODY, God has brought the two (Jew and gentile) together and made them one man in CHRIST

And though not all who say they are a Jew are a Jew

But I detect that you already have identified who are Gentiles

And you can't do that

You can't say that those of Islamic faith revere CHRIST and the unbelieving Jew doesn't

Both, before the eyes of GOD, are "Gentiles" (outside the promises in CHRIST) if they remain in unbelief

 

[miknik5]

When GOD says leave the outer courts to the Gentiles to be trampled on

Did you think it would be only those who aren't naturally born a Jew?

It will be unbelievers
It will be the "violent men of the covenant" mentioned in Daniel
It will be all those who received the wrong mark