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Should Christians support Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.

Should Christians support Jerusalem Third Temple?

  • Yes... the words of Ezekiel must come to pass.

    Votes: 9 12.5%
  • No.... it will lead to the rise of the Anti-Christ fellow.

    Votes: 9 12.5%
  • Yes.... living waters will flow from the restored Third Temple.

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • No... Christians must not support animal sacrifice.

    Votes: 38 52.8%
  • I am not certain but I will research this question further.

    Votes: 9 12.5%
  • No... this could cause a war to break out.

    Votes: 5 6.9%

  • Total voters
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DennisTate

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Why do you believe her NDE account, or anyone's account? There are Hindus who also have NDEs, meeting their Hindu gods. Are they genuine, or just the work of demons, or mental illness? We often pick and choose which NDEs we like or dislike.

I believe it was an article in Psychology Today that got me interested in the
topic of near death experiences back in 1989. By 1990 I was reading them so
much that I had to go off in a different direction from the Worldwide Church of God
that I had been a member of since 1979.

I simply could NOT go along with the "soul sleep" doctrine that I had been
taught since I had been a teenager after beginning to read these accounts.
NDE's sounded too much like II Corinthians 12;2-4 for me to write them off.....
so I had to admit that my church had been seriously in error on that doctrine.

As I read more and more and more NDE accounts verses all through the Jewish
and Christian scriptures began to make sense that I had been scratching my head
over for years.

One reason why I read NDE accounts so much is that they gave a better answer to
many troubling questions that I had had than I could find in any other source.

Dr. George Ritchie's Near-Death Experience



Several near death experiencers even saw the New Jerusalem and gave fascinating
details about it that correspond brilliantly with Revelation chapter 21.

In just the last year I read another NDE account that answers questions that
I have had for decades. My wife can apply for her Israeli citizenship partly based on her
mom's maiden name but of the two of us I am the one who has been
far more interested in all things Jewish for over forty years.

Catholic near death experiencer told she was Jewish...moves to Israel.

Catholic near death experiencer told she was Jewish...moves to Israel.
 
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No true believer is Christ will support, directly or indirectly, the building of a third temple that mocks at the supreme sacrifice of Jesus Christ. The OT has been fulfilled, and speculations on old prophesies are not our business.

Thank you for expressing your opinion on this controversial topic Righttruth.

It is a common belief among Christians that the offering of sacrifices by the Rabbinic
community would somehow take away from the metaphorical Passover Lamb role played
out by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus in 30 C. E. but..... as we read what he said about all the
writings of Moses and the Prophets it becomes apparent that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus, in his
glorified immortal body, that he received after being resurrected and ascending to the
Ancient of Days the Father, sure seems to be the very one working out world events so that every word of
Ezekiel 40 - 48 comes to pass.


Matthew 5:17


"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."

It was his statements like this to the average Jew of his time period that got
him into trouble with the leadership of the Rabbinic Jewish community of that time period,
that............ was led by a group of Rabbis many of whom HAD BEEN CHOSEN BY KING HEROD
THE GREAT!
 
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Catholic near death experiencer told she was Jewish...moves to Israel.

If I have a DNA test done and discover that I have a Jewish ancestor will it change my relationship with God?
Should I then move to the modern State of Israel and lay claim to a piece of land?


Joh 4:20  Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship." 
Joh 4:21  Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 
Joh 4:22  You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 
Joh 4:23  But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 
Joh 4:24  God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

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My wife is a gifted Pentecostal girl from Quito, Ecuador.

Not long after I contacted her through a Christian internet dating website
she was somehow told by Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to fast and pray for me for 35 days. She
drank only fruit juices for three days / week for four weeks and then seven days in a row
only fruit juices for the fifth week.

I was 3000 miles north of her basking in the most astonishing Shalom / peace of mind
that I had ever had in my life, but especially in the last decade..... because after my dad
died in 1990, I volunteered for something more than a little scary......... and my nerves had
been pretty shot from 1990 - 2000.

Due to my wife's gifts I've been studying the Pentecostal Movement that I didn't know
all that much about even though my grandmother had been Pentecostal.

It seems like G-d works in special ways.... in special places......
for various reasons?!

Why would G-d pour out H-s Holy Spirit / Ruach ha Kodesh in a very humble
building on Azuza Street??????

I don't know the exact answers for this but......
G-d has made promises to do certain things in Jerusalem.... in specific
location in Jerusalem...... so from what I have seen..... those promises will be
kept......... and yes.... moving to Israel could well become an option for many of us
who feel a strong connection to Judaism.
 
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there will not be a third temple -
what God has destroyed -
no man can rebuild -

Actually...... the destruction of the Second Jerusalem Temple or restored Temple of Solomon, that is also known as the Temple of Herod...... was caused by
the fallen state that the Sanhedrin of the time of John the Baptist and
Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus were in!


John 2:15

"And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;"
 
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And what of the NDEs that don't mesh with Christian doctrine, like Hindu ones where they meet Hindu gods? Do you see how we can pick and choose which NDEs we like and dislike?
 
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And what of the NDEs that don't mesh with Christian doctrine, like Hindu ones where they meet Hindu gods? Do you see how we can pick and choose which NDEs we like and dislike?

The human being Buddha... actually existed and still exists because
Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is an ethical judge of all humans and is very much in
the line of Cyrus......

who not only decreed the rebuilding of the Temple of Solomon
who not only gave freedom of religion to Jews.... but also to
the residents of all 127 provinces of the Medo- Persian Empire......

this is at the core of why the being of light treated angry Atheist Howard Storm
with such love....
and why he did not bother to tell his specific name to former Atheist Ms. Beverly Brodsky......

It is time for the Bride of Messiah to rise up..... .and understand this part of the role of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.......


President Donald Trump = modern Cyrus prophecy?


President Donald Trump = modern Cyrus prophecy?
 
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So do you believe every NDE you read?
 
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So do you believe every NDE you read?

Not exactly because Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus after forty days of fasting.....
was certainly near death.... .and in what sounds much like an out of the body
experience..... he...... Messiah Yeshua - Jesus...... (in my opinion a man with more of
the Holy Spirit than either Moses / Moshe or King David or Isaiah)......
met SATAN!!!!!

I am in no position to rule out the possibility of parts of Matthew 4 taking place
in the out of the body state!

Matthew Chapter 4 (KJV)

Mat 4:1


"Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.



But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Mat 4:10


Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."
 
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So do you believe every NDE you read?

One of the key tests that can show whether or not somebody had a
mere out of the body experience....... or a full fledged near death experience from G-d
and / or The Messiah..... is the LIFE REVIEW!

Hebrews 9:27

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"


Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Prophecy Of Baruch Chapter 6


[6] "For my angel is with you: And I myself will demand an account of your souls."
 
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At this time I believe that the possibility of other time lines.....
or Multiverse.... come down to a very simple question...... if you......
had infinite time...... and essentially infinite technological capability......
how far would you go..... to lead one of your children or grandchildren.....
or great grandchildren..... to some level of "salvation" so that they could
handle being in a paradise / heaven state in the afterlife?
 
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But... assisting the Jewish community to rebuild their Jerusalem Third Temple will... .prove that we take the words of Ezekiel chapter 40 - 48 seriously. Which can be a huge step toward Christians and Jews cooperating with each other on many more world problems and issues.

I actually agree with much of your ideas Sultan of Swing.....
but I am wide open to the possibility that a Jewish person praying
for the return of Moshiach / Messiah...... or asking something in the name of
Moshiach / Messiah...... can be answered with every bit as much power as when
a Christian prays.......

A Jewish scholar may know more about what Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus actually taught
on many questions than what a Christian scholar believes..... because we have been taught
many incorrect ideas on what Jews actually believed and why.

Here is a question that will trouble almost any scholar no matter what their background.....

The being of light of NDE fame, G-d or Satan?

Is The Being Of Light, G-D Or Satan?
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  1. *
    He is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in his glorified form.
    2 vote(s)
    18.2%

  2. He is Satan appearing as an angel of light.
    1 vote(s)
    9.1%
  3. *
    He is HaShem/ the G-d of Abraham/ YHWH.
    3 vote(s)
    27.3%

  4. If there is a LIFE REVIEW... then it is G-d.
    1 vote(s)
    9.1%

  5. I really am not sure but I am researching this.
    3 vote(s)
    27.3%

  6. Who we meet depends on if we are sincerely religious?
    1 vote(s)
    9.1%

  7. Near death experiences are a halucination caused by brain chemical reactions.
    4 vote(s)
    36.4%

  8. Maybe it is connected to memories of lights in delivery room from birth.
    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. *
    The being of light is the Elohim who formed Adam and Eve.
    2 vote(s)
    18.2%
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Although I shouldn't be, sometimes I am still shocked by what I come across on CF. This is one of those times.
 
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Although I shouldn't be, sometimes I am shocked by what I come across on CF. This is one of those times.

If Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus believed fully in the prophecies regarding his own need to
be killed..... and resurrected after three days......
then in comparison to that prediction...... that is not so easy to see at first.....
then the Ezekiel 40 - 48 prophecy is pretty clear and understandable.
 
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No. Christians shouldn't support the building of the third temple.

There is no meaning or significance of such a thing, it is neither bad or good, it's just irrelevant.

The Al-Aqsa Mosque sits on the historic Temple Mount, the political upheaval and violence that would result in tearing down the third holiest site in Islam makes it one of the absolute worst ideas in the history of bad ideas. There's simply no reason, in an already tumultuous time and place, to throw napalm on the fire. As Christians we should be peace makers and supporters of peace, and actions which deliberately destroy peace and result in bloodshed--on all sides--should be regarded as unacceptable for us.

Those are two significant reasons why Christians shouldn't support such an endeavor.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I have came to agree with the theory that the Jerusalem Third Temple's
should be above the Gihon Spring.... well away from either the Dome of the Rock
or tha Al Aqsa Mosque.

Ernest L. Martin - Wikipedia


 
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Technically...... your advice is both logical as well as good.....
but for Moses to stretch out his staff toward the Red or Reed Sea....
wasn't the most logical course of action at the time either?!


John 13:35

"By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have loveone to another."

Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus had both Rabbinic Jews as well as Messianic Jews in his audience when he
spoke these words........ When Christians and Messianic Jews and Messianic Gentiles support
the Orthodox Jewish community in their desire to fulfill their role and make sure that the words of
Ezekiel and other prophets come to pass.........

Love and mutual respect between Jews and Christians will greatly increase......

and extreme skepticism will begin to be conquered and soon almost erased from the earth!

All men = seven billion inhabitants of the earth.....
you.... his disciples...... both Jews as well as Christians who believe firmly in these words....


Matthew 22:36

"Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

This is the first and great commandment.

And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

It is my belief that a genuine vision of the future was given to a woman
from Alberta, Canada that explains what G-d wants to do in the Islamic world.


A word for those ministering to Moslems!
 
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Yes.... the promise of a new covenant....
and the promise of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on ALL FLESH....
are topics that Jews and Christians have much to talk to each other about.

A man from Uganda wrote an article more than five years ago that is
extremely relevant at this time. I quote his article in full here in post #1....


Do you believe a massive Holy Spirit tsunami is coming?
 
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You have gotten into something rather important here......
King Herod the Great made additions to the Second Temple that
caused it to no longer fit with the description given in Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48.....

Did his renovations cause the Second Temple to be defiled?

The Jewish leaders speaking to Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus were obviously
in agreement with the Rabbinic leaders who felt that it was kosher for
King Herod the Great to make additions to the Second TEmple...... but
were they correct?
 
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