Should Christian be removed from website title?(Should CF be renamed with new vision)

[Glass*Soul]

That's never a mistake Read the whole thread... can't judge a thread by just a few posts. x

This is true. I've now read the entire thing twice.

I noticed no one has addressed any of my points.

 

[D'Ann]

"Anyone who says that they are a Christian, is a Christian" according to CF... Whether they believe in the diety of Christ or divinity of Christ... this site does not represent Christianity anymore.

I voted that Christian should be removed from the title of this website.

 

[Everlasting33]

yes

 

[WarEagle]

Should the word Christian be removed from this website title?

YES! I don't see how they can call it "Christian Forums" when they punish anyone who stands up for sound doctrines and allows all sorts of false teachers to hide behind their skirts.

How about LaodiceanForums.com?

 

[Sothron]

But how have you (and the rest of the conservative subforum for that matter) all of the sudden become more qualified than the individual him/herself to determine if they're really a christian. Better yet, how did you guys become more qualified than God?

Fairly easily actually. The belief in the Nicene/Apostle's Creed is the litmus test for a bare minimum classification as a Christian. It worked for Christianity for thousands of years and this site quite well until recently. There must be some kind of standard to adhere to otherwise anyone can justify any kind of belief by calling it "Christian".

 

[D'Ann]

Fairly easily actually. The belief in the Nicene/Apostle's Creed is the litmus test for a bare minimum classification as a Christian. It worked for Christianity for thousands of years and this site quite well until recently. There must be some kind of standard to adhere to otherwise anyone can justify any kind of belief by calling it "Christian".

Exactly. For centuries, this is how Christians believed... and now, anyone who thinks they are a Christian is... according to CF. Sorry, but no... that is not how it works. No one is God and none of us can judge each others heart... but there is a definite criteria to determine exactly what Christianity is and what it means to be a Christian and the basic fundamentals of Christianity. And people can deny this and debate it all they want... it is in God's hands ultimately... but make no mistake about this... those who mislead innocent souls to the slaughter will answer to God for it. There are always wolves in sheep's clothing seeking to whom they can devour... it's in the Scriptures. Look it up.

 

[Sothron]

Exactly. For centuries, this is how Christians believed... and now, anyone who thinks they are a Christian is... according to CF. Sorry, but no... that is not how it works. No one is God and none of us can judge each others heart... but there is a definite criteria to determine exactly what Christianity is and what it means to be a Christian and the basic fundamentals of Christianity. And people can deny this and debate it all they want... it is in God's hands ultimately... but make no mistake about this... those who mislead innocent souls to the slaughter will answer to God for it. There are always wolves in sheep's clothing seeking to whom they can devour... it's in the Scriptures. Look it up.

If I may relate a personal story I know people that I met in college who called themselves "Christians". They did not believe Jesus was the Son of God or had any kind of divinity. In point of fact they did not even believe in God or religion. What they did was say that Jesus was a man who had to pretend to be a god in order to get his message of love and forgiveness across to people and that message is what was important, not him.

So they consider themselves "Christians" because they believe in a message from a good man who was forced to lie about his divinity.

Now can anyone tell me with a straight face they consider that "Christian"? But yet if they came here under the new rules they would be allowed to call themselves just that and to go and spread their own message to babes in Christ or other nonbelievers. In point of fact that's how they met me: they came to Christian college fellowship class to try and recruit people to their "new Christianity".

 

[Erinwilcox]

I'd like to point out that there are people from all sorts of denominations here agreeing that the term "Christian" should be removed from the site. . .I see Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, non-denom, Presbyterian, Reformed Baptist, etc., etc. etc. How often do various of these denominations post together in a thread and actually agree wholeheartedly on something? Not often. This is a pretty universal agreement. It is not just coming from one denomination.

 

[John1and1]

We can vote to change the name

Vote to keep the name in shame

but i see a third alternative

I vote we keep calling it Christian, and show people how we take it back for Christ with the word alone in a face down of debates, leaving no room for anything but scripture. Let the error be shown in the word. Those who love God will see He is not confounded, and the truth seekers will find truth.

We know it is prophesied that in the latter times many will depart from the faith and men wont endure sound doctrine... Lets not let it shock us so much when we see it come to pass since God is the one who forewarned us. Many more will fall but this will only serve to make us all stronger.

 

[intricatic]

I'd like to point out that there are people from all sorts of denominations here agreeing that the term "Christian" should be removed from the site. . .I see Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, non-denom, Presbyterian, Reformed Baptist, etc., etc. etc. How often do various of these denominations post together in a thread and actually agree wholeheartedly on something? Not often. This is a pretty universal agreement. It is not just coming from one denomination.

Who was it who said these reforms have actually worked, but in an antagonistic sort of way to the original intent of the site?

Well... I also see a lot of unity here.

 

[CyberPaladin]

Who was it who said these reforms have actually worked, but in an antagonistic sort of way to the original intent of the site?

Well... I also see a lot of unity here.

Exactly nothing brings people closer together than a common enemy.

 

[D'Ann]

If I may relate a personal story I know people that I met in college who called themselves "Christians". They did not believe Jesus was the Son of God or had any kind of divinity. In point of fact they did not even believe in God or religion. What they did was say that Jesus was a man who had to pretend to be a god in order to get his message of love and forgiveness across to people and that message is what was important, not him.

So they consider themselves "Christians" because they believe in a message from a good man who was forced to lie about his divinity.

Now can anyone tell me with a straight face they consider that "Christian"? But yet if they came here under the new rules they would be allowed to call themselves just that and to go and spread their own message to babes in Christ or other nonbelievers. In point of fact that's how they met me: they came to Christian college fellowship class to try and recruit people to their "new Christianity".

Wow... Exactly. This whole new CF concept of Christianity is soooo wrong. How many seekers are going to be misled into false beliefs thinking that they are Christians...

I'd like to point out that there are people from all sorts of denominations here agreeing that the term "Christian" should be removed from the site. . .I see Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, non-denom, Presbyterian, Reformed Baptist, etc., etc. etc. How often do various of these denominations post together in a thread and actually agree wholeheartedly on something? Not often. This is a pretty universal agreement. It is not just coming from one denomination.

I agree.

We can vote to change the name

Vote to keep the name in shame

but i see a third alternative

I vote we keep calling it Christian, and show people how we take it back for Christ with the word alone in a face down of debates, leaving no room for anything but scripture. Let the error be shown in the word. Those who love God will see He is not confounded, and the truth seekers will find truth.

We know it is prophesied that in the latter times many will depart from the faith and men wont endure sound doctrine... Lets not let it shock us so much when we see it come to pass since God is the one who forewarned us. Many more will fall but this will only serve to make us all stronger.

I understand what you are saying, but many of us are not good with debate, nor good with expressing our Christian beliefs. Many of us will reach out to others in a very loving way and gently share our faith and the Word of God... but I don't believe in debating against fellow Christian brothers and sisters in Christ to display the various different Christian faiths there are.

I do believe that what we all can do is reach out to the seekers in some of these non-Nicene forums and work together, united in Christ in reaching out to those who are seeking and giving them answers to their questions and praying with them and for them.

What really is upsetting to me is that let's say I'm a seeker and I don't know a thing about Christianity... I don't know what the word Nicene means or Trinity or any Christian terminalogy and so I google the word Christian looking for a Christian site to help me learn about Christianity. What pops up? Christian Forums.

So I click on it and then I notice all of the various different forums... but I want to learn about the theologies of the various Christian faiths and so... I click on the Theology Forums. I see that there are Nicene Christians and Non-Nicene Christians... I wonder... wow... let's see what Non-Nicene Theology is about... and so I click on it... what do I see?

I see the following subforums:

Unitarian/Non-Trinitarian... ooooh... interesting.. wonder what that theology is all about... but then I notice the following subforums as well:

Latter Day Saints
Jehovah's Witnesses
Trinitarian Theology

Wow... they all are Christian too... Cool. Always wondered what the Mormons and JWs believed... maybe I should go start asking those members some questions...

Thus... another seeker is lead astrayed by a false doctrine...

That is how this whole new CF is hurting seekers and unbelievers and babes in Christ who may not know very much and can easily be led astrayed... This is despicable.

 

[Erinwilcox]

Excellent post--how on earth is that supposed to be honoring to God--when His truth is hidden, concealed, and misconstrued? The Bible gives a CLEAR definition of what a Christian is and CF's new, "better than the Bible" version goes COMPLETELY against what God teaches--cause CF knows better.

 

[Erinwilcox]

What ever happened to. . .

From March of 2006

Originally Posted by Erwin
1. To me CF is more than just a website, it is also a ministry, and this vision is something that only Christians understand and appreciate.

2. All our rules and policies, though it may appear generic, have foundations in Christian doctrine and the Bible.

3. This site is Christian forums and although non-Christians are welcome, the target audience is still Christians.

4. A large majority of Christian members will not submit to being moderated by non-Christians.

All of the above points can be challenged and counter-arguments brought forth, but this policy will not change while I remain webmaster.

 

[D'Ann]

Very good posts ... and well... I guess Erwin lied.

 

[Crazy Liz]

Very good posts ... and well... I guess Erwin lied.

Please don't accuse someone of lying when it is possible that he changed his mind.

I thought saying something would not change sounded unwise to me, since people do learn and change their minds. But saying "I will never change my mind," is so inconsistent with human experience to make reliance on such statements even more unwise.

 

[Angel4Truth]

The bible doesnt change. Its not inconsistant with human reality. We should be modelling a christian site on its absolute truths.

 

[Voegelin]

We can vote to change the name

Vote to keep the name in shame

but i see a third alternative

I vote we keep calling it Christian, and show people how we take it back for Christ with the word alone in a face down of debates, leaving no room for anything but scripture. Let the error be shown in the word. Those who love God will see He is not confounded, and the truth seekers will find truth . . .

Good suggestion but I would also include tradition for two reasons:

We don't want to suggest our Catholic brethern not employ all the teachings of their church.

The left, especially gay sites, have a plethora of webpages full of carefully selected scripture organized in a way to be coped and pasted to shout down those who express the full truth. Seen these dueling threads. They become so clogged they drive people off.

But back to your general suggestion. I wonder if these changes are having a positive effect right now. There is unity I have not seen before. People are coming out and doing as your suggest--fighting for their faith. Perhaps there has been too much of a reliance on mods. It is, after all, as you say: up to us.

 

[ReformedChapin]

What ever happened to. . .

From March of 2006

I'm sad to say it went down the drain sister.

 

[Sothron]

What ever happened to. . .

From March of 2006

Irony, where is thy sting?