Should Christian be removed from website title?(Should CF be renamed with new vision)

[Hishandmaiden]

I voted unsure.
I disagree with many of the site policies, but I am still unsure over where I stand in this.

 

[MeekOne]

The bible doesnt change. Its not inconsistant with human reality. We should be modelling a christian site on its absolute truths.

Here...here!

 

[rushingwind62]

Very good posts ... and well... I guess Erwin lied.

I don't know that Erwin lied but I do think he has lost sight of the vision he once had for cf. It was suppose to be a place for unting all christians now look at it. New subforums are going up everywhere and in many places chaos has taken over.I understand he wants to give the people more say so but at what cost? My question is, Is the new cf worth all this division and chaos??

 

[Debi1967]

Yes as it no longer applies to this website

ChristianForums-Uniting all Christians as one Body

Well that is now a totally inaccurate statement to say about this site.

BTW-no more Wiki INSANITY

 

[erin74]

Actually I think the Uniting all Christians thing is the whole problem.

For a ministry not to go astray it must have the gospel, the cross of christ, at the centre of all it does. This site has unity. If unity is central then the gospel can and will be compromised, which is what we have seen here. If the gospel is central it cannot be compromised.

CF is just heading where it is destined - warped by liberalism. Unless the gospel is the centre, which I can't see happening now, it cannot be salvaged from liberalism which is devouring it.

I don't think the name will change. It is one reason why this site has been so successful - if you go looking for a forum for christians on google what will pop up - CF. That's it's big pull - there's now way it will change.

However, it is only christian in that it discusses christian things, not in that it is by nature christian.

Hence my resignation has been submitted.

 

[drstevej]

Well said Erin.

I think a Be a Christian link at the bottom of the page is strange when most of what is above is a confusion of that.

Your resignation may go unnoticed by Erwin, but frankly it is a huge loss to CF. Thank you for your wonderful service to the Lord.
You are a dear sister in Christ.

 

[erin74]

Dead?
I really hope that was a typo! LOL.

Thank you for your kind words Steve - I probably should have left when you did and stayed off staff. It has been a rather futile effort to remain onboard so long it seems.

On the unity thing. When I was at uni I was part of a group that was part of the International Fellowship of Evangelical Students. It has its roots in a group called, I think, CICU, which broke of from a group called the Student Christian Movement. They did so at a time when the SCM was still quite close to conservative views. However when 2 members confronted the leadership they established that they didn't hold the cross as the centre of their beliefs (I think unity might have been there actually). They are now a shell of what they were and riddled with liberalism, while IFES continues as a strong evangelical non-denominational organisation. Quite amazing really.

 

[drstevej]

Dead?
I really hope that was a typo! LOL.

Thank you for your kind words Steve - I probably should have left when you did and stayed off staff. It has been a rather futile effort to remain onboard so long it seems.

On the unity thing. When I was at uni I was part of a group that was part of the International Fellowship of Evangelical Students. It has its roots in a group called, I think, CICU, which broke of from a group called the Student Christian Movement. They did so at a time when the SCM was still quite close to conservative views. However when 2 members confronted the leadership they established that they didn't hold the cross as the centre of their beliefs (I think unity might have been there actually). They are now a shell of what they were and riddled with liberalism, while IFES continues as a strong evangelical non-denominational organisation. Quite amazing really.

Dear sister,

An AW Tozer quote

Before the Christian Church goes into eclipse anywhere there must first be a corrupting of her simple basic theology. She simply gets a wrong answer to the question, 'What is God like?' and goes on from there. Though she may continue to cling to a sound nominal creed, her practical working creed has become false. The masses of her adherents come to believe that God is different from what He actually is; and that is heresy of the most insidious and deadly kind.

 

[Erinwilcox]

Erin--I must say that for Erwin not to notice all of the excellent, wonderful staff members who have resigned would be a great shame. Practically everyone that I had any respect for has resigned over these issues. . .so many people who poured out their hearts and their time for CF are just being disregarded and unnoticed. Their labours in love and mercy, it would seem, were in vain. I am so very grieved.

 

[drstevej]

I asked about Constance's post calling some of us "workers for the enemy".

Her husband deleted the thread and gave as his reason

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see here.

The new openness is illusory.

Steve

 

[Mary_Magdalene]

Yikes!!

 

[icedtea]

Erwin's comment of If you don't like it, leave, shows how 'christian' this board is.

 

[Mary_Magdalene]

Erin--I must say that for Erwin not to notice all of the excellent, wonderful staff members who have resigned would be a great shame. Practically everyone that I had any respect for has resigned over these issues. . .so many people who poured out their hearts and their time for CF are just being disregarded and unnoticed. Their labours in love and mercy, it would seem, were in vain. I am so very grieved.

the only explaination that i can think of is that erwin never truly understood how people who were on staff viewed cf. most staffers DID see Cf as a ministry and most staffers loved being here for the members. Most staffers had their hearts invested in CF and then when erwin made these changes, their hearts were torn out.
which, hindsight being 20/20, we all should have seen coming. to erwin, these changes are slight and shouldnt be much of a bother to people. maybe he is just so out of touch with the ministry he started he cant see it anymore.


i have disagreed with erwin on many things in the past and by dialogue with him in the CR, i realized a long time ago he just never got why staffers were here. Which is sad but at the time i realized this (a year or so ago), he wasnt much involved anyway so I continued to use this platform as a ministry for me to do. but, i did know the day would come when all it would come to a boil and blow up like it did.

 

[invisible trousers]

Yes, it should; conservative christians are the only people who are qualified to determine if something or someone is really a christian.

Since these new rules, which allow for more fellowship between believers and non-believers among other things, are definitely not conservative, CF and anyone who supports the new rules aren't christian.

 

[Erinwilcox]

Yes, it should; conservative christians are the only people who are qualified to determine if something or someone is really a christian.

Since these new rules, which allow for more fellowship between believers and non-believers among other things, are definitely not conservative, CF and anyone who supports the new rules aren't christian.

This point was already dismissed--if you take a close look at the posters in this thread in SUPPORT of Christian being taken out of the name, you'll see that there are people here from ALL denominations, conservative and not conservative, Protestant and Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, etc.


You shall know them by their fruit.

 

[Mary_Magdalene]

Since these new rules, which allow for more fellowship between believers and non-believers among other things, are definitely not conservative, CF and anyone who supports the new rules aren't christian.

thats not very nice, invisibletrousers.

 

[erin74]

Erin--I must say that for Erwin not to notice all of the excellent, wonderful staff members who have resigned would be a great shame. Practically everyone that I had any respect for has resigned over these issues. . .so many people who poured out their hearts and their time for CF are just being disregarded and unnoticed. Their labours in love and mercy, it would seem, were in vain. I am so very grieved.

Yeah it's a bit of a kick in the teeth really.

 

[Angel4Truth]

On a positive note though whether it was apreciated by one person or not God sees the intent of the heart and thats who really matters - Him and those we have been blessed to serve and minister to in their times of need. If even one person drew closer to God through anything we did while in service here , that time was well spent reguardless of it were noticed by others.

 

[D'Ann]

Please don't accuse someone of lying when it is possible that he changed his mind.

I thought saying something would not change sounded unwise to me, since people do learn and change their minds. But saying "I will never change my mind," is so inconsistent with human experience to make reliance on such statements even more unwise.

One thing that my Christian life has taught me... is to be humble enough to admit when I've made a mistake.

Liz, you are right in that maybe he didn't lie about this issue. In retrospect, he changed his mind. The problem is that he seems to be consistently changing his mind in an inconsistent manner hurting tons of people who have continually supported him behind the scenes and up front. People who fought on his behalf.. he has betrayed. He might of meant not to do so, but he did, and that hurts. But... life is about living and moving on and learning and growing. So, I need to re-evaluate my experience here and learn and grow from it. I will never trust Erwin's ability to make consistent decisions. (sorry, I know that is harsh), but I feel betrayed, slapped in the face, insulted and now... I'm licking my wounds and I'm healing. Eventually, I won't be angry and hurt. Eventually, this will only be a memory that I will learn from and grow from and overcome because that is how life is.

Furthermore, Liz, I have always respected your judgement and I've always seen that your heart has a deep desire to do the right things in Christ. Although, I didn't always agree with you or your methods, I always felt that you were sincere and that means something to me. Thank you.

The bible doesnt change. Its not inconsistant with human reality. We should be modelling a christian site on its absolute truths.

Exactly.

I'm sad to say it went down the drain sister.

And I keep hoping that somehow, CF will come back up from the drain... time will tell????

I don't know that Erwin lied but I do think he has lost sight of the vision he once had for cf. It was suppose to be a place for unting all christians now look at it. New subforums are going up everywhere and in many places chaos has taken over.I understand he wants to give the people more say so but at what cost? My question is, Is the new cf worth all this division and chaos??

Good post. It's not really a question of "Is the new cf worth all of this division and chaos? (No, it's not)... but the real question is that most of us never had a choice in the matter when Erwin decided to make these changes. Well, like Erwin said, it's his site and he can do what he wants and so... I have to let CF go and leave... even though, this is breaking my heart because CF has been my home for sooo long on the net, but I have a good life outside of the net and maybe something good will come of me spending less time here.

Yes as it no longer applies to this website

ChristianForums-Uniting all Christians as one Body

Well that is now a totally inaccurate statement to say about this site.

BTW-no more Wiki INSANITY

I love ya sis.

Actually I think the Uniting all Christians thing is the whole problem.

For a ministry not to go astray it must have the gospel, the cross of christ, at the centre of all it does. This site has unity. If unity is central then the gospel can and will be compromised, which is what we have seen here. If the gospel is central it cannot be compromised.

CF is just heading where it is destined - warped by liberalism. Unless the gospel is the centre, which I can't see happening now, it cannot be salvaged from liberalism which is devouring it.

I don't think the name will change. It is one reason why this site has been so successful - if you go looking for a forum for christians on google what will pop up - CF. That's it's big pull - there's now way it will change.

However, it is only christian in that it discusses christian things, not in that it is by nature christian.

Hence my resignation has been submitted.

and I completely agree. I resigned too for the same reasons.

Erin--I must say that for Erwin not to notice all of the excellent, wonderful staff members who have resigned would be a great shame. Practically everyone that I had any respect for has resigned over these issues. . .so many people who poured out their hearts and their time for CF are just being disregarded and unnoticed. Their labours in love and mercy, it would seem, were in vain. I am so very grieved.

Amen. What I think he forgotten is that staff members were members before they were staff. As members we cared so deeply for CF that we actually wanted to give back and help and viewed our sacrifices as part of our ministry here and we did this with love in our hearts for our fellow members. This whole thing hurts.

Erwin's comment of If you don't like it, leave, shows how 'christian' this board is.

I know. It made me feel like gee... it was okay for members to sit in DR constantly whining and complaining about everything under the sun, but now it's not okay for us to express our feelings... and we should just leave... well, he is right in that... I really should leave. He has made it very clear that we are not accepted here and that we have been excluded.

the only explaination that i can think of is that erwin never truly understood how people who were on staff viewed cf. most staffers DID see Cf as a ministry and most staffers loved being here for the members. Most staffers had their hearts invested in CF and then when erwin made these changes, their hearts were torn out.
which, hindsight being 20/20, we all should have seen coming. to erwin, these changes are slight and shouldnt be much of a bother to people. maybe he is just so out of touch with the ministry he started he cant see it anymore.


i have disagreed with erwin on many things in the past and by dialogue with him in the CR, i realized a long time ago he just never got why staffers were here. Which is sad but at the time i realized this (a year or so ago), he wasnt much involved anyway so I continued to use this platform as a ministry for me to do. but, i did know the day would come when all it would come to a boil and blow up like it did.

Amen. HUGS

This point was already dismissed--if you take a close look at the posters in this thread in SUPPORT of Christian being taken out of the name, you'll see that there are people here from ALL denominations, conservative and not conservative, Protestant and Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, etc.


You shall know them by their fruit.

Yup... exactly. HUGS

thats not very nice, invisibletrousers.

I agree. That was not nice invisibletrousers.

Yeah it's a bit of a kick in the teeth really.

and a slap in the face too.

 

[Skripper]

However, it is only christian in that it discusses christian things, not in that it is by nature christian.

Exactly.