Should Christian be removed from website title?(Should CF be renamed with new vision)

[drstevej]

I am pleased Erwin moved this to an area where the entire site can give feedback.

Steve

 

[Erwin]

Hi members

This poll, started by drstevej, was PMed to me recently. I think that it does make a good point and I wanted it moved out of the Conservative Christians forum to the Announcement forum to gather input from other members as well.

The issue here is whether CF's name should be changed and its vision modified to reflect its current framework.

This site at the moment is at a cross-roads, and can go either way. It can either become:

1. A safe social community site with a heavy and strong Christian influence (with the vision being to offer a safe online community, and a secondary vision being to allow Christians to outreach to non-Christians) - which will allow for a name change;

OR

2. Return to a more restricted Christians-only site with a heavy emphasis on uniting mainstream Christians only with a less emphasis on outreach, in which case we keep the name.

Bear in mind that options 1 and 2 are both valid - there is a place for either forums.

I think that at this moment members are frustrated because CF is halfway between options 1 and 2, so members are confused as we have a vision that belongs to option 2 but a setup that is more like option 1.

Therefore, I think we need to make a decision.

I'm going to leave this up to the community. I've extended the above poll to 3rd of August.

I will listen to the members here, and will defer to the final decision.

Please feel free to discuss this issue in this thread.

 

[Debi1967]

Option 2 please

 

[invisible trousers]

Jesus never associated with the non-believers along with the unwanted and downtrodden; voted 2.

 

[Letalis]

Are we being given an option about what we'd like CF to become?

 

[meh]

Can someone explain because I'm confused?

When people voted before (I saw the original thread) they voted yes, change the name because we don't like the vision and don't think it represents a Christian forum or whatever.

Now it seems like you vote for yes if you support the new vision and want CF to remain as is with these new changes, and vote No if you want to revert back to the old CF. So people who voted yes would most likely be actually now voting no, wouldn't they? So the poll should be started over?

I don't really care to be honest. I'm just confused.

 

[Skripper]

Option 2. But I would suggest, then, starting a new poll. I would also suggest that the poll be posted in each congregation forum. While this is better than in the Conservative Christians Forum, alone, there are still many that won't see it, even here. So I think it should be posted in each congregation forum. And make it a "public" poll. So if anyone votes more than once, (which could and would happen if it's placed in more than one location), only one vote from each member "counts." This would entail a little bit of work on the part of staff, to cross reference the polls in each forum, but it wouldn't be THAT hard, I wouldn't think.

 

[newbeliever02072005]

option 2

 

[free2be]

Can someone explain because I'm confused?

When people voted before (I saw the original thread) they voted yes, change the name because we don't like the vision and don't think it represents a Christian forum or whatever.

Now it seems like you vote for yes if you support the new vision and want CF to remain as is with these new changes, and vote No if you want to revert back to the old CF. So people who voted yes would most likely be actually now voting no, wouldn't they? So the poll should be started over?

I don't really care to be honest. I'm just confused.

Good point meh, I agree.

 

[frumanchu]

Option 2. But I would suggest, then, starting a new poll. I would also suggest that the poll be posted in each congregation forum. While this is better than in the Conservative Christians Forum, alone, there are still many that won't see it, even here. So I think it should be posted in each congregation forum. And make it a "public" poll. So if anyone votes more than once, (which could and would happen if it's placed in more than one location), only one vote from each member "counts." This would entail a little bit of work on the part of staff, to cross reference the polls in each forum, but it wouldn't be THAT hard, I wouldn't think.

Agreed. There is some confusion between the original poll's intent and what Erwin wants to accomplish with it. A new poll would probably be the better route.

 

[Angeldove97]

Option 2, even though I voted for the option before Erwin changed the purpose of this poll.

I also suggest a new poll so that people can understand why and what they're voting for.

 

[TheDerek]

I'm going to be honest here. I've been away at camp all summer, barely getting on the internet. I was shocked at the changes of CF, but I had decided to stick around staff. During the last reforms I left, and I always regretted that decision. So I had decided to stick around.

But If this site becomes a site that is no longer Christian, I do feel that I must no longer be apart of staff.

This is not meant to be a threat of "change it back or I quit." This is just my honest feelings. I joined Christian Forums oh so many years ago, and I have poured many hours into it. If God really does lead Erwin into a new, non-Christian Forum, then more power to it. I just will not be apart of it on staff.

 

[drstevej]

As OP I have no objection to a new poll.

 

[meh]

I'll PM Erwin and bring up the issue of the poll confusion in case he would like to re-visit it and so he doesn't get a full PM box about it

 

[Skripper]

I would also suggest some sort of minimum post count for any member to vote. This would help eliminate any "new" sock accounts created for the purpose of voting multiple times.

 

[Angeldove97]

But If this site becomes a site that is no longer Christian, I do feel that I must no longer be apart of staff.

This is not meant to be a threat of "change it back or I quit." This is just my honest feelings. I joined Christian Forums oh so many years ago, and I have poured many hours into it. If God really does lead Erwin into a new, non-Christian Forum, then more power to it. I just will not be apart of it on staff.

Agreed with you Brother
(And I'm glad you'll be sticking through this!! )

 

[Angeldove97]

I'll PM Erwin and bring up the issue of the poll confusion in case he would like to re-visit it and so he doesn't get a full PM box about it

Thank you very much Mary!!

 

[Skripper]

As OP I have no objection to a new poll.

Who cares what you think?

 

[Letalis]

Option 2.

 

[FriendsFellowship]

Hi members

This poll, started by drstevej, was PMed to me recently. I think that it does make a good point and I wanted it moved out of the Conservative Christians forum to the Announcement forum to gather input from other members as well.

The issue here is whether CF's name should be changed and its vision modified to reflect its current framework.

This site at the moment is at a cross-roads, and can go either way. It can either become:

1. A safe social community site with a heavy and strong Christian influence (with the vision being to offer a safe online community, and a secondary vision being to allow Christians to outreach to non-Christians) - which will allow for a name change;

OR

2. Return to a more restricted Christians-only site with a heavy emphasis on uniting mainstream Christians only with a less emphasis on outreach, in which case we keep the name.

Bear in mind that options 1 and 2 are both valid - there is a place for either forums.

I think that at this moment members are frustrated because CF is halfway between options 1 and 2, so members are confused as we have a vision that belongs to option 2 but a setup that is more like option 1.

Therefore, I think we need to make a decision.

I'm going to leave this up to the community. I've extended the above poll to 3rd of August.

I will listen to the members here, and will defer to the final decision.

Please feel free to discuss this issue in this thread.

I vote for option number two, although in the poll I voted for a name change:

2. Return to a more restricted Christians-only site with a heavy emphasis on uniting mainstream Christians only with a less emphasis on outreach, in which case we keep the name.

I want to point out a serious concern with this poll.

Erwin's post seems to suggest that a vote for name change is a position in support of his "option number 1".

If a member who is not comfortable with the changes sees the poll and votes for the name to change, then his or her vote might be construed as a vote agreeing with the changes!



I think we need clarification or a better worded poll!

EDIT: OK, I see everyone else on CF already sees the problem!