'Shoot Them All At the Border': DMV Employee Investigated for Facebook Comment on Immigrants

[TLK Valentine]

The citizens own it. The ILLEGAL migrant does not.

Does that mean that any citizen should be allowed to shoot an illegal migrant?

Are you declaring open season?

 

[Ana the Ist]

And if they break into a country their intent is obviously crime as well....otherwise they'd go to a border crossing point and take the legal route.

Well they'd be denied at a port of entry...they haven't filled out the proper paperwork and waited for their turn to immigrate legally. That's also a part of this issue I never see the left address...the injustice done to those immigrating legally when we simply allow those here illegally to stay.

They are, by definition, criminals for entering illegally...but that doesn't guarantee they're here simply for crime (though some certainly are, there's a reason why car theft is so prevalent along the southwest border).

From what I understand...most are here because they don't really understand the realities of the US and what life is really like. They believe that we're all so rich that they will simply be given enough money to live off of....and they can get a free education regardless of age. They don't know how much things cost...it's basically a whole lot of misconceptions

Some certainly turn to crime...that's often all but inevitable if they find themselves in a community that has an organized crime element already. For the most part though, they're here for the jobs and benefits.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Well they'd be denied at a port of entry...they haven't filled out the proper paperwork and waited for their turn to immigrate legally. That's also a part of this issue I never see the left address...the injustice done to those immigrating legally when we simply allow those here illegally to stay.

They are, by definition, criminals for entering illegally...but that doesn't guarantee they're here simply for crime (though some certainly are, there's a reason why car theft is so prevalent along the southwest border).

From what I understand...most are here because they don't really understand the realities of the US and what life is really like. They believe that we're all so rich that they will simply be given enough money to live off of....and they can get a free education regardless of age. They don't know how much things cost...it's basically a whole lot of misconceptions

Some certainly turn to crime...that's often all but inevitable if they find themselves in a community that has an organized crime element already. For the most part though, they're here for the jobs and benefits.

The ones who do arrive at the border legally and seek asylum are then illegally turned away by the border patrol without a hearing.

When the only other option becomes to return to whatever horror they were running from in the first place, sneaking in starts to look pretty good.

When those we entrust to uphold the law choose not to follow it, there's no incentive for anyone else to, either.

 

[mina]

Sorry? A picture with a glass of wine? Unless it was taken at school, what business of the employer?

It's not. It fell under a moral turpitude clause in her contract ( or so the district claimed ). It was a super conservative region of the country. She sued and won. If you work with the public , don't give anyone that dislikes you a present on your social media. Don't put anything up that can be misunderstood or misconstrued in an extreme way. And if you flat out hate groups of people , if you advertise it, people will go after you.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The ones who do arrive at the border legally and seek asylum are then illegally turned away by the border patrol without a hearing.

When the only other option becomes to return to whatever horror they were running from in the first place, sneaking in starts to look pretty good.

When those we entrust to uphold the law choose not to follow it, there's no incentive for anyone else to, either.

The vast majority claiming asylum don't get approved for it...

That doesn't justify turning them away of course, but the lack of space for asylum seekers does. If so many weren't outright lying about needing asylum or exaggerating their need...they'd probably have enough room for all the legitimate cases.

Also is this a real issue? I've seen reports that it's happened...I just don't know how often.

 

[ripple the car]

You can be fired for anything you put on social media that goes against what your employer wants in people that are representing them. I imagine supporting murder is frowned upon by most bosses. When I was teaching , a teacher within my district was fired for taking a picture with a glass of wine and making it their fb profile picture .

I think that's kind of dumb.

 

[mina]

Yes, I agree. The girl with the wine did nothing wrong; she just had a run in with someone that disliked her personally and who probably had some sort of position or power within the community. As for the girl in the OP, she voluntarily put an ugly attitude out into the world (using her own name and info.). Words we put out there unfortunately can have consequences if you anger enough people.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I don't disagree with you...I just don't understand why you say it like it's not a concern. Imagine if I told you...

"I'm not worried about policy xyz, it's only gonna hurt the poor."

Would you think that's a good reason to dismiss other people's worries? The poor in this nation are at least 30 million people....and most people struggle with poverty at some point in their lives.

I just don't see it. Let me ask you, seriously, do the poor have the worst schools? Do they have the worst health outcomes? Least opportunities? Most problems with drugs and violent crimes?

Why would we ever....ever...think it's a good idea to just keep piling more poor people on that problem instead of fixing it?

Oh, I do think it's a legitimate concern. I just think it's a somewhat different concern than what was originally articulated, and I think that if we're going to worry about job prospects for the poor, then we should try to do things to improve job prospects for the poor, and not use false concern as cover for our latent xenophobia.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I think that's kind of dumb.

It is -- and back when employees were treated as actual people, it probably wouldn't have happened.

Alas, you're no longer a person -- you're a "human resource." Resources get replaced at the drop of a hat all the time.

 

[Moral Orel]

I had heard that the woman in question has said the quote was taken out of context. She had said it came from a wider discussiond in which she was being facetious and parodying anti immigration people.

I haven't seen anything beyond the stand alone quote, but frankly, absent other information I can accept that explantation. Many of us on this forum have made some pretty damning statements while being sarcastic in an expression of frustration.

Everybody just skipped right over your post. Seems like an important distinction to me. Did you look at the screen capture? She ended it with a "" so I think she was just joking. People can complain about her being insensitive about a sensitive topic if they want, but moving straight to claiming she meant it isn't accurate. At my last job my boss walked in on me halfway through repeating a David Cross bit about segregated graveyards, and it gave a much different impression than hearing the whole thing. We had to have a talk...

 

[TLK Valentine]

The vast majority claiming asylum don't get approved for it...

This is true -- but they are legally entitled to a hearing in front of an Immigration court judge -- which too many of them aren't getting.

That doesn't justify turning them away of course, but the lack of space for asylum seekers does. If so many weren't outright lying about needing asylum or exaggerating their need...they'd probably have enough room for all the legitimate cases.

We usually don't blame the victims when law enforcement chooses to break the law...

Also is this a real issue? I've seen reports that it's happened...I just don't know how often.

How often does it have to happen before we agree it has to stop?