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Edit: I am dealing with this a bit better now (2 years later), but still struggling.


I am at my whits end.

I am 33, not in much debt, 3 useless college degrees, have a beautiful wife and a 16 month old daughter.

I refuse to cry anymore, refuse to talk to or bother anyone about this anymore. I have tried mental health, drugs...I am even heavily involved in my church. I was saved many years ago.

I am not the best Christian...I smoke two packs a day. I got drunk sitting around the campfire on my last hunting trip. I don't drink very often though. I still listen to hellish rock music on ocassion.

I hurt bad.


Yesterday, I went home from work on lunch and typed up a note to my wife...and this morning continued working on it...wondering when I would get the courage to go to the back yard and do the deed. Wouldn't want to ruin the carpet. Each time I think a little more seriously about it...then I think about it a little more and
decide that "now is not the time".

This is not the first time that I have done this.

Please say a prayer for me.
 
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I am at my whits end.

I am 33, not in much debt, 3 useless college degrees, have a beautiful wife and a 16 month old daughter.

I refuse to cry anymore, refuse to talk to or bother anyone about this anymore. I have tried mental health, drugs...I am even heavily involved in my church. I was saved many years ago.

I am not the best Christian...I smoke two packs a day. I got drunk sitting around the campfire on my last hunting trip. I don't drink very often though. I still listen to hellish rock music on ocassion.

I hurt bad.


Yesterday, I went home from work on lunch and typed up a note to my wife...and this morning continued working on it...wondering when I would get the courage to go to the back yard and do the deed. Wouldn't want to ruin the carpet. Each time I think a little more seriously about it...then I think about it a little more and
decide that "now is not the time".

This is not the first time that I have done this.

Please say a prayer for me.
Lord, please make this man realize that he is a valuable asset in the lives of others. That he needs to take some positive steps to stop being tormented by depression that is easily treatable. Even counseling could be had instead of meds. There are new and very good meds now. You can change meds until you find the right one. I did for years and suffered horridly too. Please don't give up. This may sound really stupid as to how you are feeling but on Thanksgiving why not say a prayer at your table about what things you have to be grateful for. Just trying to help. God bless. If you really think you are going to do the deed please go to the hospital emergency room instead or call 911. God bless you. God loves you.
 
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Imagine how your family would feel if you did the deed. They would be totally devasted. I know you said you have been on meds in the past, but I would suggest giving them another try. Not necessarily the same meds. It sounds like the ones you were on weren't working. Sometimes it takes time to find the right meds. And please don't stop talking to others as it is our only means for support. We are all praying gfor you and asking the Lord to lift this cloud from you....God Bless!
 
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I am at my whits end.

I am 33, not in much debt, 3 useless college degrees, have a beautiful wife and a 16 month old daughter.

I refuse to cry anymore, refuse to talk to or bother anyone about this anymore. I have tried mental health, drugs...I am even heavily involved in my church. I was saved many years ago.

I am not the best Christian...I smoke two packs a day. I got drunk sitting around the campfire on my last hunting trip. I don't drink very often though. I still listen to hellish rock music on ocassion.

I hurt bad.


Yesterday, I went home from work on lunch and typed up a note to my wife...and this morning continued working on it...wondering when I would get the courage to go to the back yard and do the deed. Wouldn't want to ruin the carpet. Each time I think a little more seriously about it...then I think about it a little more and
decide that "now is not the time".

This is not the first time that I have done this.

Please say a prayer for me.
Heya brother,

I know life is tough and I am sure there is pain in your life. Have to have faith that you will overcome the pain, and find joy in life again. I want to you to really think beyond yourself right now. Ask yourself how would your Mother, Father, wife, and daughter will feel if you kill yourself?

I don't know about you, but hurt me more to know my daughter didn't have me there. They need you, and you have to realize that you don't need to be perfect to be a loving father and husband.

Remember we are ALL IMPERFECT BEINGS. There has been ONLY ONE perfect person who has walked this earth. God knows we are imperfect, and he doesn't care what we done wrong. If we put our love, hope, and faith in him. Really have that personal relationship with the Lord, he wipes away our record of wrongs. He continues to do so as we pray and humble our sins to him. There are no best christians, just christians that mature in faith and allow Lord work thru us. Lord can use any of us, smokers and drinkers too.

Religion, man's attempt to get to God, is the one who says if you drink or smoke then your bad christian. Christ said come to me as you are. Lord walked among sinners, tax collectors, prostitutes, lepers, poor. He didn't walk with the priests or the teachers of law.

Lord forgave your sins, and as he forgave them. You must forgive yourself. Overcoming our sinful ways is a process, it takes time. God knows this, and as long you detest your sins and repent. He will make you clean.

Matthew 18:21-23

Parable of the Unforgiving Debtor

21 Then Peter came to him and asked, “Lord, how often should I forgive someone who sins against me? Seven times?”

22 “No, not seven times,” Jesus replied, “but seventy times seven! 23 “Therefore, the Kingdom of Heaven can be compared to a king who decided to bring his accounts up to date with servants who had borrowed money from him.

Think of your mind as a child. Child is learning how to walk, but it trips and falls many times. Imagine satan using your mind to yell at you each time you stumble. Emotional pain of making a mistake becomes so painful that you become afraid to get back up. So you don't learn how to walk. Forgiveness is allowing yourself another chance. Lord forgives us because he knows we are children learning to walk, but satan doesn't want you to walk. Instead he wants you to drown.

Luke 8:28-33

28 As soon as he saw Jesus, he shrieked and fell down in front of him. Then he screamed, “Why are you interfering with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? Please, I beg you, don’t torture me!” 29 For Jesus had already commanded the evil spirit to come out of him. This spirit had often taken control of the man. Even when he was placed under guard and put in chains and shackles, he simply broke them and rushed out into the wilderness, completely under the demon’s power.

30 Jesus demanded, “What is your name?”
“Legion,” he replied, for he was filled with many demons. 31 The demons kept begging Jesus not to send them into the bottomless pit.
32 There happened to be a large herd of pigs feeding on the hillside nearby, and the demons begged him to let them enter into the pigs. So Jesus gave them permission. 33 Then the demons came out of the man and entered the pigs, and the entire herd plunged down the steep hillside into the lake and drowned.

I know this is true, for during my own suicidal depression my mind turned against me.

Realize there is a battle that takes place in our minds. Paul wrote about it in more detail.

Spirit vs the Sinful Nature

Struggling with Sin

This will help you learn how to grow again. 2 chronicles 7:14

This will be a healthy start, but ultimately I want you to humble your heart before the Lord and ask for help. Don't rely on your own strength, rely on his. Seek help, seek wisdom thru prayer and study of the word of God, and realize the truth. That you are a child learning how to grow again, don't let satan get you to drown.
 
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I don't have anything more to add, except that you have another listening ear. I've been in this same boat. Yes, it does hurt, and hurt very, very much. Yes, it does seem like there is no other way. You just want it all to stop.

However, there is hope and relief without making an end to your precious life. As Kristen said, please call someone, or get yourself to the hospital. Please listen to that hesitancy to "do the deed." That is your mind and body telling you that this isn't right.

God does not give us more than we can handle. Even if the temptation is there to harm yourself, God does also provide the way out.

1 Cor. 10:13
NKJ Bible said:
No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.

Please do keep us updated.

:hug: and :crossrc: to you, my friend.
 
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I am at my whits end.

I am 33, not in much debt, 3 useless college degrees, have a beautiful wife and a 16 month old daughter.

I refuse to cry anymore, refuse to talk to or bother anyone about this anymore. I have tried mental health, drugs...I am even heavily involved in my church. I was saved many years ago.

I am not the best Christian...I smoke two packs a day. I got drunk sitting around the campfire on my last hunting trip. I don't drink very often though. I still listen to hellish rock music on ocassion.

I hurt bad.


Yesterday, I went home from work on lunch and typed up a note to my wife...and this morning continued working on it...wondering when I would get the courage to go to the back yard and do the deed. Wouldn't want to ruin the carpet. Each time I think a little more seriously about it...then I think about it a little more and
decide that "now is not the time".

This is not the first time that I have done this.

Please say a prayer for me.

Dear Sawtooth,

Hi brother,

I am so sorry for the pain you are going through that you feel so bad you want to hurt yourself.

I wish we could all be there with you and just hold you and hug you so you would know just how loved you are by us and you know God loves you so very much.

You mentioned you smoke and drink occasionally and listen to rock. Since you mentioned it I take it you feel bad for doing that, but we all do things and many of us do the very same as you've listed, and God in no way thinks less of you or thinks your bad or anything of the sort.

He knows you so intimately and loves you so much. I know we sometimes feel bad for things we do, but it's how we feel, and often times it's how others have made us feel about what we do, when again God not only knows, He never pulls away from us and in no way condemns you for such.

Brother, when you came to Christ, you were forgiven past present and future for all your sins, the second you believed in Christ. And as I said, many of us do the very things, it's that when we're in crisis or great stress that we accuse ourselves or satan himself accuses as he is the accuser of the brethren, but God in no way does such at all, and tell Jesus how you feel and not to worry. We have a whole life time and God will help us each step of the way and so please don't be hard on yourself over things.

I have a friend who also has several degrees and certifications in England, and he can not get more than a minimum wage job.

It's very sad as you have been so dedicated and worked so hard to get those degrees and then not to be able to use them.

You are surely a very hard working person to have recieved such an education and I can hear the pain of not being able to use all you worked so hard for.

I just went bankrupt a few years ago and the stress of debt looming and the phone calls are a tremendous amount of pressure for anyone to deal with. I don't know if you are able to go bankrupt, I know if some is school debt you can't on that, but if you can perhaps you can seek that avenue out.

With the way things are today, so many are in debt and barely making it weekly and it's a very hard world to live in and but I know you can make it through.

As you have these feelings to hurt yourself and have had them before shows the need for someone to help you, someone to talk to, and to care, and help carry the burden you are carrying.

You mentioned meds haven't helped, and I understand that.

At one point it was a med alone that did something that stopped the constant thoughts I had to hurt myself. I do wonder if perhaps the doctor could try other medications if you haven't already tried several as you know with meds, it takes often times many trials of meds to see what will help.

I'm glad to hear your involved in your church as you have a distraction and wondering if there is a deacon or pastor or a brother who you can trust and share all this with.

Often times, we might think we can't tell others what we are going through, when clearly it is what brothers and sisters in Christ are for and God has his men and brother I pray he lead you to someone who will help to carry this burden, as it's too much to bear alone.

Jesus will take it, and you know the verse which says to take every thought captive...if you can do that every moment of every time thoughts come up about anything, no matter what it is, hurting yourself, debt, your life, your education, no matter what is hurting you and coming to your mind, taking it as often as those thoughts come, which may be every minute of the day, and bringing them to Jesus and saying I can't handle this thought, or I can't handle this pain, or God I've no idea where to go or what to do, God please take it and help me.

It's the only way I know to survive is to keep bringing the thoughts to Christ, and the verse says by doing such those things have to be obedient to Him and He does not condemn you, and will not let lies sit, He will take them and the thing is again, it's a moment by moment, as often as needed, taking it all to Jesus. He will not let you bear the pain alone, he will take those thoughts, and the need is to keep bringing them to him.

With the debt, there are so many people in it, and don't answer the phone, don't put anything in your name, stash the letters in a box, and unless you can go bankrupt there's not more you can do if that's not possible and don't let this pressure this stress lead you to wanting to hurt yourself.

Protect yourself at all costs.

And last, of course others have already said it, but if you feel in immediate danger don't hesitate at all, call 911 and go to the hospital.

Please reach out to a brother, someone you can trust and tell him all that is going on. Ask God for who to talk to. And also, if you have not had any counseling it would be great if you could see someone as well outside of a friend as we need to release as much as possible of all that's inside us and counselors are trained and skilled to help with healing and professional help is fairly critical friend.

We love you here and I'll be praying for you and I pray you are able to come back and read how all of us care for you and about you.

love,
tapero
 
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I am at my whits end.

I am 33, not in much debt, 3 useless college degrees, have a beautiful wife and a 16 month old daughter.

I refuse to cry anymore, refuse to talk to or bother anyone about this anymore. I have tried mental health, drugs...I am even heavily involved in my church. I was saved many years ago.

I am not the best Christian...I smoke two packs a day. I got drunk sitting around the campfire on my last hunting trip. I don't drink very often though. I still listen to hellish rock music on ocassion.

I hurt bad.


Yesterday, I went home from work on lunch and typed up a note to my wife...and this morning continued working on it...wondering when I would get the courage to go to the back yard and do the deed. Wouldn't want to ruin the carpet. Each time I think a little more seriously about it...then I think about it a little more and
decide that "now is not the time".

This is not the first time that I have done this.

Please say a prayer for me.

Dear Brother, i've learned to manage through my times of deep depression. i'd like to share with you some resources that can aid you as well. i'd also like to be a resource for you. i'm spiritually gifted in this area. my own life, and well as family members and my own children and grandchild struggle with mental health issues. the Lord has called me to be a ministering heart.
so, in addition to fellowship and personal exsperiance, i'm also recovery staff: we are exsperianced in finding local resources. :hug: ~ many blessings, love dee
 
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Religion, man's attempt to get to God, is the one who says if you drink or smoke then your bad christian. Christ said come to me as you are. Lord walked among sinners, tax collectors, prostitutes, lepers, poor. He didn't walk with the priests or the teachers of law.

Well said.

I attended a bible study last night...we were studying John Chapter 4....it rung a bell as it mirrors what you have said... Jesus and the Samarian woman at the well...
 
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You should seek out professional help.

I already have...

I looked in the eyes of the shrink and did not see how she could possibly help me....it was scary in a way. To be honest, I don't think she ever cared about me.

Besides, I don't want to be on drugs for the rest of my life...
 
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Well said.

I attended a bible study last night...we were studying John Chapter 4....it rung a bell as it mirrors what you have said... Jesus and the Samarian woman at the well...
Awesome brother. Brings me joy to hear your seeking the face of God.

Hang in there, and focus on putting the scriptures into practice too. As well as taking time to talk things out with the Lord. Seems weird at first, but someone other than yourself is listening to your words and/or thoughts. Lastly keep leaning on the Lord to help you in times of weakness.

2 Corinthians 12:5-7


5 That experience is worth boasting about, but I’m not going to do it. I will boast only about my weaknesses. 6 If I wanted to boast, I would be no fool in doing so, because I would be telling the truth. But I won’t do it, because I don’t want anyone to give me credit beyond what they can see in my life or hear in my message, 7 even though I have received such wonderful revelations from God. So to keep me from becoming proud, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger from Satan to torment me and keep me from becoming proud.

8 Three different times I begged the Lord to take it away. 9 Each time he said, “My grace is all you need. My power works best in weakness.” So now I am glad to boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ can work through me. 10 That’s why I take pleasure in my weaknesses, and in the insults, hardships, persecutions, and troubles that I suffer for Christ. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
 
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dear sawtooth. bless your heart dear brother. clergy are considered good counselors too. i have found that i need to interview around to find a good match for me.
mental illness runs in my family. i am, and so is several of my children. so i'm very exsperianced at finding a good fit in both doctor and therapists. maybe i can help you get connected with a local resource? just pm me and help me figure out what you are looking for, then i locate options for you to exsplore. :hug: .... also, getting connected with the right meds is an exhausting and irritating trial of try and wait and try and wait. ugh. i know this all too well. it took me two years to find the meds that work for me. it was because i had to learn about what they provided, and did not, plus all sorts of details. most of all; a good med provider that walked me through what was happening to me. this was the key. he took his time on my family history and med history; and showed me how i was erroring in my consistancy patterns with meds; as well as helping me; help him to find the perfect meds. with this, he had me in therapy and getting monitored and connected with good resources. anyhow. meds are my daily blessing. they help me focus, stay on a schedule, sleep well, and allow me to function as normally as possible. if you are called to be content; and not healled; continue to seek out the resources that will aid you in finding ground that you are growing on. pm me if you need to talk. sometimes, i post so much, that i have difficulty keeping up on idividual bases. :hug: or pop me a link, to remind me to come back. :hug: ~ love dee
 
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I already have...

I looked in the eyes of the shrink and did not see how she could possibly help me....it was scary in a way. To be honest, I don't think she ever cared about me.

Besides, I don't want to be on drugs for the rest of my life...
Sounds like you're not giving conventional medicine a real chance to help you. I guess it must not be that bad if you aren't that desperate.
 
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firstly ive seen some posts here that mean well who quote certain scriptures which is commendable but sorry they dont do nothing usually,there written for an episode,event far back in history and anyway are usually out of context with the thread starters condition,a planner of suicide is right on the edge cliff,i like the other poster STRONGLY advise you to seek counseling wether by your church or your doctor,most clergy have some experience of mental illness and along with prayers at the end of any healing sessions can do wonderful things for the person afflicted......:hug: :hug:
 
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Hey Sawtooth, I am sorry to read about your situation. You have my prayers. If there is a time to go through with it, now wouldn't be your time. You have your daughter and you have to be there for your daughter. Even if you're worthless in your eyes, you mean everything to your daughter. Do what you can to add to her life and maybe there you might actually find a relief from your depression.

The best thing you can do is to keep seeking God, desperately, with your whole life and he will bless you according to his will. God's promise to us is that if we endure in Christ, he will bless us, especially in the second coming. Sometimes we just have to keep our eyes focused on that promise even when we don't see it being fulfilled.

I've been severly depressed, even more so as a Christian than before. I've sought relief before through works. But i've learned to seek a relationship with God and actually form a friendship. I pray just to have a conversation with him and hear/feel what he has to say. I'm no better as a Christian than you are. Don't feel bad about listening to "hellish rock" I listen to Gangsta Rap (Westside!!) I don't live that lifestyle though.
 
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Sawtooth, don't give up on a psychologist just because you didn't find the right one. You have to shop around, there are a lot of shrinks that don't know anything and they are in the business for the money. Care about yourself and be persistent in that area. You have to find the right one with the right approach. You may be correct to find an opposite-sex psychologist, since the relationship of the mother to the male child is the most important. It all depends on the case, and your initial intuition might be correct. Call up a few more and check them out over the phone, etc.

What the others said about the meds is true, you have to go through a "protocol" of various types to see which molecules are the best fit for what you may be lacking. You have to work a bit at it and have faith that you can get the help you need.
 
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Update:

The first part of this year has been very busy for me.
I was an active duty NCO at mid career.

One day at work, in the middle of a depressive episode, the Lord spoke to me and told me in no uncertain terms not to re-enlist. It just popped into my head clear as a bell. I needed to end my career on the active duty side.

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" The benefits of staying in, and the pension were no longer worth it. For some, the military is a 20 year calling, but for me it was not.

I decided to settle down permanently in the state that I love and raise my family.
I found a job that, while not the best paying, was equivelent to what I was making and that I really enjoy.

I still get depressed, but not nearly as bad as what was going on just six months ago. When I do get depressed, I always find myself remembering this psalm:

"This is the day which the LORD hath made, we will rejoice and be glad in it"
 
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