Setting it Straight

[honorthesabbath]

Its a combination of capitalism and politics. People in poorer countries want a better life for themselves just like people in richer countries. If politicians/international businesses could find a way to reduce or eliminate the disparity between rich and poor in the developing world then there would be a reduced need for illegal immigration. (Europe has a similar problem). As long as the world worships the almighty dollar, pound or euro this problem will continue. We Western consumers are quite happy when we get cheap goods not considering the abuse of labour that happens in these places to keep more disposable money in our pockets. So don't blame the illegal immigrant worker blame the system that brought him/her over.
BTW all European immigrants today enjoy the fruits of the immoral invasion of the American continent, too many years have passed for you all to 'go back home to Europe' but I wonder if deportation was on the cards tomorrow if only the Native Americans would vote for it? lol

Oh--there is not doubt about that--as I'm sure they would want others deported back to Africa.

 

[honorthesabbath]

I'm sorry, I apologize , I didn't mean it that way. I said it wrong as I indicated above. Attribute this to being a thick headed old man who doesn't always read what he writes correctly. Sorry

God Bless
Jim Larmore

LOL--I was sure that you had made some kind of error in your writing. I've done that myself on occasion. But thank you so much for the apology. It did make me feel better!

 

[happywiththelord]

i have no problem with immigrants coming to this country. for goodness sakes, that is how this country was raised up. BUT, i agree that it should be done legally. I feel that using there lack of income and coming here for a better life and having to do it illegally is a bunch of "hooy"! I think that is a copout. (forgive my spelling, some of these words i just dont know how to spell! haha)

I have a very dear friend who is in his 60's and his wife is the same age. they immigrated here from germany after WWII. They had absolutely NOTHING! POOR as church mice! They got a sponsor and came here and lived with them while they went to school and WORKED and eventually was able to save enough to get naturalized and become a citizen. They had to be tested on american history and also had to be able to speak the language before they were able to become citizens. that whole process was NOT EASY for them, but they did it! and did it happily! when i asked them about this subject, it makes them very upset! they think the illegal immigrants are so wrong. The hoops they had to go through was long, and expensive, but was done. They dont want to see whats happening with the illegals. They think the illegals should be shipped back and do the process the correct way!

I have no problem with people coming to this country, but do it LEGALLY! And stop making excuses why you/they cant. because it can be done!

 

[honorthesabbath]

Amen Happy--and just think how ALL those immigrants who struggled to come this country LEGALLY feel to see these others not only get 'shoe in' citizenship, but are able to get FREE dental, medical, birthing and food to name a few 'perks' for violating our laws. ALL at the expense of those who are here legally or are natural borns.

Like your friends from Germany, they learned the language and wanted to CONTRIBUTE to America, not rape it.

I understand that they want a better life, but do you accomplish that by stealing from your neighbor? I'd love to have a bigger house--should I go steal one and move in?

Our family donates A LOT of money to ADRA and other ministries. I give it gladly and cheerfully. But I resent the heck out of having my income stolen from me to give to thieves.

Here are a few links that may enlighten those who are not aware....
www.newswithviews.com/Slagle/john18.htm
www.newswithviews.com/Wallace/andrew1.htm
www.newswithviews.com/Wallace/andrew.htm

 

[moicherie]

Oh--there is not doubt about that--as I'm sure they would want others deported back to Africa.

Well considering those others were immorally shipped over without thier consent their descendants will take reparations instead.....lol

 

[moicherie]

Like I said blame the system, who gives the illegal immigrants free resources? Do you really expect them to say no thank you we will do without? I understand the despair legals have with illegals, we have the same problem over here. My parents and their compatriots were invited to rebuild the so called mother land after WW2 to help rebuild the country which was really to do the work the indigenous peoples did not want to do.
They did not recieve any benefits whatsooever they had to sink or swim by themselves. Now the pendulum has swung to far the other way. This week the media reported the increase in children sent to the U.K illegally and abandoned on the streets. This is a global economic problem, deal with that and the illegal immigration will decrease hence don't blame the illegals blame the politicians and multi corporations that run the economy all over the world - so that we in the West can benefit from cheap goods.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Like I said blame the system, who gives the illegal immigrants free resources? Do you really expect them to say no thank you we will do without? I understand the despair legals have with illegals, we have the same problem over here. My parents and their compatriots were invited to rebuild the so called mother land after WW2 to help rebuild the country which was really to do the work the indigenous peoples did not want to do.
They did not recieve any benefits whatsooever they had to sink or swim by themselves. Now the pendulum has swung to far the other way. This week the media reported the increase in children sent to the U.K illegally and abandoned on the streets. This is a global economic problem, deal with that and the illegal immigration will decrease hence don't blame the illegals blame the politicians and multi corporations that run the economy all over the world - so that we in the West can benefit from cheap goods.

I agree with you. It IS the fault of the multinational corporate giants wanting cheap labor and offering little to no benefits. They are using the ignorance of these people to gain fantastic profits.

But at the same time, we cannot excuse the poor for acting in ways that are immoral or illegal. It comes done to personal integrity. Even for the poor.

 

[sentipente]

I agree with you. It IS the fault of the multinational corporate giants wanting cheap labor and offering little to no benefits. They are using the ignorance of these people to gain fantastic profits.

Far be it from us to blame ourselves for wanting cheap goods.

 

[happywiththelord]

yes, cheap goods, but at what expense?!

 

[sentipente]

Many times I have been called a racist and a bigot because of my political views on the illegal immigration problem. I resent this immensely.

I am NOT a racist nor a bigot. For heavens sake--ALL my ancestors are immigrants to this country. But the BIG difference is that they did it LEGALLY.

By whose standards? By the legal standards of the Native Americans or by the legal standards of those who stole the land from the Native Americans? Just what do you mean by legally?

 

[sentipente]

I wonder if Honor is as exercised about the American Corporations who control large plantations south of the border putting pressure on small farmers down there.

 

[moicherie]

I agree with you. It IS the fault of the multinational corporate giants wanting cheap labor and offering little to no benefits. They are using the ignorance of these people to gain fantastic profits.

But at the same time, we cannot excuse the poor for acting in ways that are immoral or illegal. It comes done to personal integrity. Even for the poor.

Its easy to talk 'personal intergrity' when its not your belly on the line every day deciding whats best for you and your family knowing that somewhere is a country where food is plentiful so much so that the society suffers from obesity from gorging too much of it and where people complain when the price of petrol goes up a few cents or pennies. I guess its easier to pick on the poor, desparate illegal immigrant then to picket the buildings of Moreprofitatothersexpense plc...

 

[reddogs]

Many times I have been called a racist and a bigot because of my political views on the illegal immigration problem. I resent this immensely.

I am NOT a racist nor a bigot. For heavens sake--ALL my ancestors are immigrants to this country. But the BIG difference is that they did it LEGALLY. I have copies of my father's and grandmother' passports from Sweden. And guess what, back then, no one trying to make a phone call to a company had to press #2 from Swedish!

I DO believe in law and order. So if that makes me a racist or bigot, then those who think that need a lesson in what true racism is. I also have Native American Indian in me, and have heard my grandfather many times complain about the 'white man" and how they cheated the Indians out of their own land and the corruption of the American government.

And so--I am VERY keen about "IMMIGRATION". After all--look what happened to the NAI's because they could not stem it's tide.

It makes no sense to me to have to stand for hours in an airport--getting patted down like a common criminal-having your luggage x-rayed and sifted thru because YOU might be terrorist, while allowing our borders to remain wide open for any tom, dick or harry to stroll across as they please.

It is the DUTY of the federal government to PROTECT our borders. They are NOT doing this because they want the North American Union to develop.

We also cannot be blind to the fact that those who are coming by the MILLIONS ILLEGALLY into this country are not here to better this country. They are draining our resources and drying up the Social Security funds that hard working Americans have contributed to.

And to make this perfectly clear--I don't care which direction or of what nationality illegals come from, what they are doing is WRONG, pure and simple. I am against the WRONG acts of these individuals. If that makes me a racist or a bigot, then those of you who are against rapists and murderers are bigots too. Shame on your for judging those ppl who are just trying to 'have a better life' at the expense of others.

By the way, for those of your who have accused me of this, why not ask my ethnic clients if they think I am a racist. They will laugh in your face.

As a hispanic, IMO just saying someone 'is coming over the border unabated' is not of itself a racist statement as hispanics can have this opinion and it not be racist, just as if someone of native Indian heritage said the statement 'those on the Mayflower and other ships came in unabated'. You have to show prejudicial intent in the statement/opinion such as if the statement was "those 'mad englishmen' on the Mayflower and other ships with 'sun crazed pretentious english' came in unabated instead of sinking in the deep blue sea "

Now so saying this I have to add that just as every person has sin, so does every person have prejudice in its many variations even if so subtle they dont see or sense it. We have it in some form or the other and shows up more often than not in how we think of, look at, react or talk to a person of a different shade of color, language, sex, or even age.......its part of our corrupted heritage from sin, which is cleansed through the work of the Holy Spirit............

 

[mva1985]

As a hispanic, IMO just saying someone 'is coming over the border unabated' is not of itself a racist statement as hispanics can have this opinion and it not be racist, just as if someone of native Indian heritage said the statement 'those on the Mayflower and other ships came in unabated'. You have to show prejudicial intent in the statement/opinion such as if the statement was "those 'mad englishmen' on the Mayflower and other ships with 'sun crazed pretentious english' came in unabated instead of sinking in the deep blue sea "

Now so saying this I have to add that just as every person has sin, so does every person have prejudice in its many variations even if so subtle they dont see or sense it. We have it in some form or the other and shows up more often than not in how we think of, look at, react or talk to a person of a different shade of color, language, sex, or even age.......its part of our corrupted heritage from sin, which is cleansed through the work of the Holy Spirit............

Red,

I am glad you wrote what you did. I also believe that everyone and I mean everyone has some prejudice to one degree or another, and in its many variations.

Very well written!!!

 

[mva1985]

By whose standards? By the legal standards of the Native Americans or by the legal standards of those who stole the land from the Native Americans? Just what do you mean by legally?

I always thought Native Americans didn't believe you could own the land - so if you can't own it how does one steal it?

 

[honorthesabbath]

I'm referring more from the stand point of WELL fed illegals in this country who come in illegally and once they are here continue to break our laws. They have total disregard for our laws.

In my state, it is a legal requirement that a driver must be licensed AND have at least liability insurance. The illegals don't bother to get either and yet, when you look in the roster of car accidents each day in our area, it is THEM who are involved in most of them. That is IF they don't hit and run (as I have personally observed, so I KNOW it's true).

One of our church members had an illegal slam into the side of her van while her two little children were in it. When she used her cell phone to call the police, what they found is that the illegal driver had neither a license or insurance. But guess what--they were let go.

Folks--it that were you or me--we would have been cited or jailed! So yes--there is some bad stuff going on in our country, but I guess it's all a part of prophecy.

 

[sentipente]

I always thought Native Americans didn't believe you could own the land - so if you can't own it how does one steal it?

Don't make me have to do this. The one who then claims to own the land has stolen it.

 

[mva1985]

Don't make me have to do this. The one who then claims to own the land has stolen it.

Your medicine doesn't taste very good does it.

Do I agree with how Native Americans were treated - No. But it is now in the past and I can't do anything about it.

Do I agree with how slaves were treated - No. But again that was in the past and we need to move on.

If I illegally entered Mexico I would be considered a felon, and promptly dealt with, but that is not the way it is here in the USA. So yes I am frustrated by the illegal immigration problem. I don't know the exact answer, but to start we need to stem the flow of illegals coming into our country.

 

[sentipente]

Your medicine doesn't taste very good does it.

What are you talking about?

 

[honorthesabbath]

Well considering those others were immorally shipped over without thier consent their descendants will take reparations instead.....lol

I'm wondering how long those amends should go on though in your eyes? Do you have a number in mind?