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Senate GOP repeals ObamaCare mandate

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by NightHawkeye, Dec 2, 2017.

  1. littotes60

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    Plenty of people can buy insurance. The key is that you have to make enough money to do so. If someone is too lazy to get a good job, maybe they shouldn't be so worried about health care.

    I don't even know why we have "insurance" to begin with. You should pay for the healthcare you need at the fair market value. And if someone in America can't afford healthcare then they just have to either deal with it on their own or become less lazy and start making good money.

    Healthcare is EXACTLY like buying a new television set. If you can't afford it maybe you shouldn't get it.
     
  2. mark46

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    Yup, if I can't afford surgery, I should just stay home and die of cancer. If I can't afford to treat treated for a communicable disease, I should just keeping going to work and infect others.

    What a bunch of nonsense!
     
  3. wing2000

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    ...and you could not afford it because you are lazy.
     
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  4. wing2000

    wing2000 Ex Crosswalk Member Supporter

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    Well said.

    Why should I (and my employer) have to pay for the irresponsibility of others?
     
  5. discipler7

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    It's different because a person driving a car can cause major damage to other vehicles, properties, pedestrians and/or other drivers, besides to his or her ownself and own car.
    ... In fact, cars and trucks have been used by Muslim terrorists as weapons of mass murder.

    Health insurance is to cover one's own health damage, especially hospitalization to repair the damage. It has nothing to do with covering others' health damage. People take care of their own health.
     
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  6. Tanj

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    Car Insurance doesn't cover malicious acts. Someone damaging their car through malice doesn't get to claim.

    Also non Muslims.
    Vehicle-ramming attack - Wikipedia

    Except they don't. So everyone else ends up paying for them.
     
  7. Vylo

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    Healthcare overall wasn't that expensive. It cost on average $134 in 1958 (when my mother was born. It is now over $8,000 dollars:

    The Cost of Health Care: 1958 vs. 2012
     
  8. Almost there

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    "The poor" are not hurt by tax breaks to "the rich". That is because "the poor" don't pay taxes. The only way it affects "the poor" is that they may get less money or stuff from "the rich" via the power of the government's gun.

    And I put those two phrases in quotes because I see people as individuals, not part of a group. I care about the individual stories and like to avoid class warfare. That's more of a USSR sort of thing.
     
  9. wing2000

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    ...."stuff" such as funding health care for children (CHIP):

    Sen. Orin Hatch:
    “We’re going to do CHIP, there’s no question about it in my mind. And it’s got to be done the right way,” Hatch said. “But the reason CHIP’s having trouble is because we don’t have money anymore, and to just add more and more spending and more and more spending, and you can look at the rest of the bill for the more and more spending.”
    GOP Senator says it’s hard to fund $14 billion children’s health care program — then advocates for $1 trillion tax cut

    ...and the voted to cut revenues more.
     
  10. Almost there

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    Yes. And much more.

    This is not why government exists in this country and DEFINITELY not why the FedGov exists.
     
  11. hislegacy

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    Pfft... thank you Mr. Obama. I actually went online to the Healthcare exchange to get a definitive price for health coverage for my family - me, my wife and son. I make 52,000 a year - here is a screen shot

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    That is the lowest cost - do you see the estimated yearly costs? 13,949.00 how on earth do I afford that?

    I bring home just shy of 875 a week. That is 3,500 a month, 1,162.00 of that would have to go for medical insurance costs.
     
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  12. Almost there

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    My wife and I are 64. We have had no health care insurance since the day obamacare went into effect. And don't tell anyone, but if you go to a hospital without insurance and have a credit card, health care is very cheap. Still. It's comical, actually. I'm talking 70-90% cheaper.

    But our health insurance is Jesus. And he has been very faithful. And we take personal responsibility for our health. i.e. diet and exercise.
     
  13. wing2000

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    Then, I guess you won't object when Medicare and other entitlement programs are defunded down the road when the GOP claims we don't have enough money to help those who need it most.
     
  14. iluvatar5150

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    For some reason, this assumes you'll be spending an extra $682/mo on medical expenses on top of your premiums. You'd have to have some kind of chronic illness to be racking up those kinds of bills, in which case, it would likely behoove you to have insurance.
     
  15. Belk

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    You do realize it shows the monthly cost of the plan right on the screen, correct?
     
  16. iluvatar5150

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    No, $480 would go to insurance costs.

    And the answer to how you afford it is you live in a state where the median home price is $116,000, like, say, Oklahoma. The lower mortgage payments from the $150k+ you saved on your house (compared to a more densely populated state) would more than cover those projected expenses.
     
  17. Vylo

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    You probably should be thankful, it could have been higher, and if this tax plan destroys the mandate it will be unaffordable.

    For my coworker, a plan from our company when he retires is $18,000+ for just him and his wife, and that is with a company subsidy.
     
  18. Almost there

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    I would replace "GOP" with "our representtives".

    And yes. I've been for that for my entire life. Medicare, medicaid, Social Security, you name it. If I had put into a private savings account what I've put into Social Security my whole life and just let it collect typical CD rates (certificate of deposit), I'd be rich and could live much more comfortably than I could on Social Security.

    Did you know that when SS was created, most men died before the age it kicked in? I think SS eligibility should be increased by one year every 3 years until it hits 75. I'm almost 64. When I was younger the "Full" retirement age was 65. They've already bumped it. For me it's now 66. For people younger than me, it's even later. For those of you in high school it might end up even later, though I don't think this country, as we know it, will be around then. In fact, I strongly believe we'll enter the great tribulation way before that.
     
  19. hislegacy

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    Uh, yeah that is why I posted it. The issue is that you have to pay the total deductible before any of the benefits can be used. Well whoop tie do.

    I’d love for you to come show me how!
     
  20. iluvatar5150

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    My house was about $270,000 and we put 20% down, so my mortgage was about $217,000. Our monthly payment, including property taxes, is around $1700.

    For a house half that expensive, you should pay about half that per month. If your property tax rates were higher than mine (as they are for my brother in Houston, where home prices are also low), then maybe the monthly payment drop wouldn't be 1:1. But my rates (2.248%) are almost 3x the average property tax rate in Oklahoma (0.868%), so your payment should be even lower.

    The average mortgage payment in OK should be somewhere in the neighborhood of $1,000/mo cheaper than mine. That would cover nearly all of that projected medical expense.

    For the record, this is a 1400 sq ft house, so it's not extravagant, and when we bought it a couple years ago, my wife and I were each making about what you are now (I was a shade under it), so it's not like we're rich.
     
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