Sell all that you have, give to the poor, and follow me

[Steeno7]

Do you own a TV? Do you own other luxury items that are completely irrelevant to your survival and spiritual growth? Also, are you aware that children are starving to death, dropping dead by the minute?

If you answered yes to all of these, then are you not living in a perpetual state of deliberate sin, no different from homosexuals, adulterers, thieves, and etc?

Are you aware that makes no sense whatsoever?

 

[Taom Ben Robert]

Your ignoring his point

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Your ignoring his point

Are you addressing me or Steeno7? My alert said you quoted me but I don't see that in your post. After the edit I can't tell what you mean.

 

[com7fy8]

Once, all I possessed with me was in one suitcase. I walked with it from Brookline to Boston Common, and tried to get a blind person to buy it for a quarter so I could say I sold it. He was suspicious. So, I offered to give him a quarter so he could buy it. No, he wouldn't.

So, there could be a problem. If someone fools oneself into thinking he or she can buy one's way into Heaven, Satan might keep people from buying the person's things, so he or she feels he or she can't go to Heaven!

So, you need to have the right reason for what you do.

appreciation . . . of all Jesus did on the cross for us . . . appreciation of Jesus, Himself, now . . . . love and adoration of God . . . not only trying to pay God off, like He is at some distance. There are people who can guilt-trip themselves, and suppose paining themselves will pay God off so they can keep doing their wrong pleasure things.

So, now I consider that if I love our Heavenly Father, I want Him to be pleased; I am not only about getting rewards for myself; I desire and seek what pleases Him. So, in case He enjoys having Jesus reward me, then fine

But Jesus Himself is our real Reward > Genesis 15:1. And we are rewarded with family love and sharing with one another who are God's children. This is now. God's love is much of all the best of our being Christians > Romans 5:5. And this love has us with God and with one another, sharing and caring as family.

 

[Taom Ben Robert]

Are you addressing me or Steeno7? My alert said you quoted me but I don't see that in your post. After the edit I can't tell what you mean.

I was referring to you

 

[Nihilist Virus]

I was referring to you

Whose point did I ignore?

 

[Taom Ben Robert]

Why? Did I suggest there's nothing to be learned or benefited from the episode concerning the rich young ruler? My posts earlier in this thread, in fact, state just the opposite.

The problem here seems to be that you want it to be one of two ways:

1) Jesus told the rich young ruler to sell all he had and follow Jesus, therefore Christians ought to live in voluntary poverty.
2) Nothing in Scripture matters.

The problem is that we're telling you there's another option:

3) Jesus' statement to the rich young ruler is never suggested as a universal commandment for the Christian Church, but from it we learn that the call of discipleship from Jesus means a rejection of our lives--in the case of the rich young ruler it meant getting rid of all his material wealth, but for others it might be giving up their livelihood (as in the case of Peter and Andrew), or it may mean facing the chopping block, as St. Paul did when Nero had him beheaded. Voluntary poverty, or quitting your job isn't the call of discipleship, the call is "Come, follow Me" that may mean poverty, or losing your job, it may mean going out into the desert like St. Anthony, it may mean being stoned to death like St. Stephen, or being crucified like the martyrs of Nagasaki. What is important is the call, because it's the call to take up the cross and follow Him.

-CryptoLutheran

This point

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Once, all I possessed with me was in one suitcase. I walked with it from Brookline to Boston Common, and tried to get a blind person to buy it for a quarter so I could say I sold it. He was suspicious. So, I offered to give him a quarter so he could buy it. No, he wouldn't.

So, there could be a problem. If someone fools oneself into thinking he or she can buy one's way into Heaven, Satan might keep people from buying the person's things, so he or she feels he or she can't go to Heaven!

So, you need to have the right reason for what you do.

appreciation . . . of all Jesus did on the cross for us . . . appreciation of Jesus, Himself, now . . . . love and adoration of God . . . not only trying to pay God off, like He is at some distance. There are people who can guilt-trip themselves, and suppose paining themselves will pay God off so they can keep doing their wrong pleasure things.

So, now I consider that if I love our Heavenly Father, I want Him to be pleased; I am not only about getting rewards for myself; I desire and seek what pleases Him. So, in case He enjoys having Jesus reward me, then fine

But Jesus Himself is our real Reward > Genesis 15:1. And we are rewarded with family love and sharing with one another who are God's children. This is now. God's love is much of all the best of our being Christians > Romans 5:5. And this love has us with God and with one another, sharing and caring as family.

You should give everything away again and wander North America doing good works, preaching the gospel.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

This point

His point is not that good. Saying Paul's calling was the chopping block is bizarre because it was hardly voluntary. Same for the other martyrs. If he is referring to the "Why die for a lie?" argument, that's been debunked.

Also you ignore my point. I think that owning a TV and golf clubs while children starve to death is a sin. Disagree? We can have a scripture showdown.

 

[Taom Ben Robert]

Except Christ does not comment every believer to become poor , but to follow him

 

[Taom Ben Robert]

His point is not that good. Saying Paul's calling was the chopping block is bizarre because it was hardly voluntary. Same for the other martyrs. If he is referring to the "Why die for a lie?" argument, that's been debunked.

Also you ignore my point. I think that owning a TV and golf clubs while children starve to death is a sin. Disagree? We can have a scripture showdown.

No it's not , what is a sin is refusing to help them with the resources you have , having things is not a sin , loving things over people is .

 

[aiki]

Via Crucis answered you very well. You don't seem able to comprehend his point(s), however. Your scant and confused response to his posts make this quite clear.

Selah.

 

[grandvizier1006]

Why don't you visit a church? Spend some time with a pastor. Ask him (or her!) what he (or she!) thinks.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

No it's not , what is a sin is refusing to help them with the resources you have , having things is not a sin , loving things over people is .

A television is a resource. You can sell it for money and use the money to get any resource you want.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Via Crucis answered you very well. You don't seem able to comprehend his point(s), however. Your scant and confused response to his posts make this quite clear.

Selah.

It is against the rules to insult the intelligence of another user on these forums. Kindly leave and never speak to me again.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Do any of you take communion? Why? Jesus wasn't talking to you. He told his disciples to do it in remembrance of him. You don't remember Christ because no one here is 2000 years old. You only know of him.

See, I think that if Christ were to tell one particular person or one particular group of people to suck on a lolly pop or eat crackers and drink wine, then you all will do it. But if he commands one person to do something that is extraordinarily inconvenient, you all will not do it. And all the while you will talk about how you carry your crosses daily.

 

[ViaCrucis]

His point is not that good. Saying Paul's calling was the chopping block is bizarre because it was hardly voluntary.

The life of discipleship which Paul lived which led to the chopping block was voluntary.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Nihilist Virus]

The life of discipleship which Paul lived which led to the chopping block was voluntary.

-CryptoLutheran

And you voluntarily own a television while children starve to death. Please reconcile that with the teachings of Jesus Christ.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Do any of you take communion? Why? Jesus wasn't talking to you. He told his disciples to do it in remembrance of him. You don't remember Christ because no one here is 2000 years old. You only know of him.

And that argument might work if it wasn't for the fact that the Eucharist, via the apostles, was put into practice throughout the churches.

Also, the language used is τοῦτο ποιεῖτε εἰς τὴν ἐμὴν ἀνάμνησιν, "do this for the remembrance of me", the concept of anamnesis (remembrance) is important in Christian theology. In the Jewish understanding of the Passover during the Seder it is said "We were slaves in Egypt", the act of remembrance of the Jewish people in the Passover is not merely to remember, it isn't a passive recollection of past events. For Jews it is an active participation in the event remembered, "We were slaves"

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/i-was-redeemed-from-egypt/

For Christians the celebration of the Eucharist for the remembrance of Christ is not to sit back and think, "Oh, wasn't that Jesus fellow nice?", neither is it to simply think back on the past event of Christ, it is to bring the past together with us now, and to understand ourselves in the drama and reality of Christ, His passion, His death, and His resurrection as it happened. When we receive the bread and the wine, for the remembrance of Him, we do this not merely because these are tokens of a bygone event which we are fond of, but because--as He says--these are His body and blood, broken and shed for us. We do not encounter a memory of Christ, we encounter the living Christ.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Quid est Veritas?]

Firstly, you shouldn't lead with a "yes" to a post that is both rude and erroneous.

Secondly, what is biased about the options? What option is being left out?

They are highly biased. They either equate 'riches' to crass material possessions or imply there are no material possesions in heaven or imply that the only reason to follow Christ is to be rewarded instead of from love and gratitude. You need a whole lot of extra options to make up for the highly biased ones you have. It is clear that you have a lack if understanding of the virtue of Charity.