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Karola

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Yes--And who is it that He makes a covenant with? And when?
This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.’b]'>[b]

17 Then he adds:

‘Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.’c]'>[c]

18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

This covenant began when sacrifices for sin were no longer necessary. It is made for anyone who accepts Christ as their saviour
 
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Exactly--anyone who accepts Christ as their Savior--there are millions who haven't -- yet. And many who say they have but haven't --I was even baptized as a teenager. An outward show only---meant not one single, solitary thing to me. I started reading my bible again in my 30's. I'd forgotten everything--I had been so angry with God I had told Him to go away and leave me alone, out loud. I had gotten involved with a man after my divorce who only wanted a wife that was of his faith--Church of God--back when the founder was still alive. He gave me a book--I read the bible and felt that it was not true---I kept on reading--searched other faiths again but still didn't want to come back to God-just curious. Took a while before I finally surrendered. It was the ink the lead me back. It was the Holy Spirit that then finally took over. He had been leading all along, really--In my anger I had kept saying no. One day I got the distinct impression--"I will not ask again"--scared me for some strange reason--still took a while though.
 
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And the law not being written in ink but written on the heart obviously includes gentiles, for Paul wrote that to gentiles!!!

No--He wrote it to Jews, and the very first Christians. Then He went to the Gentiles. And preached the word of God to them until they accepted Christ.
 
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No--He wrote it to Jews, and the very first Christians. Then He went to the Gentiles. And preached the word of God to them until they accepted Christ.
I'm not going to continue a discussion, where all you care about is trying to reason anything, however absurd, in order to defend your particular belief and that of your denomination. And You will sacrifice sola scripture, to do it, for what matters to you most, in truth is not what is written in the bible but defending your beliefs. SDA are not the only ones to do this of course, people will reason anything on the internet, to defend their particular denominational beliefs. I will leave you to it
 
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Hardly that--but what can be said for those that fell for David Koresh, Jim Jones and others like them under the guise of being Christian?
It shows these people had an appalling lack of knowledge of what the word of God says or they would not have gone to them and on to their deaths.
 
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What is plainly written in the bible may not be true, this is proven by those who followed after David Koresh, Jim Jones and others etc.
Maybe only Jews have the laws written in their hearts etc

Non stimulating discussion

But that is the point--what is plainly written in the bible would have led them away from those cults, never into them! Just asked a former Mormon this also--and she said it is just that--an appalling lack of knowledge of the word of God. When she read the bible--she came out of Mormonism. Why would only Jews have the law written in their hearts?
 
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The internet creed of some:

I will reason anything in order to defend my, and my denominations beliefs, for that is what matters most, not what is actually written in the Bible. And if I have to jettison sola scripture to do it, sobeit, it is a price I am willing to pay. However, when I myself quote scripture, I expect, no I demand everyone accepts what I write.
 
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For the record, I avidly read the bible, the Holy Spirit reveals immense truth to you through it.
However, where the law is concerned God desires you to follow, scripture is very clear. Un der the new covenant, that law is written in your mind and placed on your heart. It is not a law written in ink, but one written by the Spirit of the living God on tablets of human hearts.
Can anything meaningfull come from these kinds of debates, where people will reason anything rather than accept what scripture plainly states, in order to follow in effect follow old covenant paths led by their particular denomination? No
 
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It is very interesting to note, that those who insist you must follow a specific Saturday sabbath, rely on a law written in ink to believe that, not a conviction that comes from within, and under the new covenant, the conviction comes from within concerning law to be followed, for that is where the law has been placed
 
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Sooo very, very wrong-it is a conviction that comes from within--it is from the Holy Spirit--hope one day you will listen to it----bye.
 
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It keeps coming back to the same thing. You either follow after the Holy Spirit or the written code, you cannot do both according to Paul. The Holy Spirit, who is the Spirit of truth was given to lead believers into truth.
Follow after the written code, and you rely on what is written in ink to know the law God desires you to follow. That is not Spirit led Christianity, you are devoid of it
 
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Sooo very, very wrong-it is a conviction that comes from within--it is from the Holy Spirit--hope one day you will listen to it----bye.
So you had an inner conviction you must follow a specific Saturday sabbath from within, without firstly reading law written in ink? I do not believe that, and I doubt anyone else would either
Bye
 
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LOL!! When you know the Spirit is leading--you know it--I know it---but many people will not listen-messes with their routine! Thank you for your diagnosis! God is the final judge.
 
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So you had an inner conviction you must follow a specific Saturday sabbath from within, without firstly reading law written in ink? I do not believe that, and I doubt anyone else would either
Bye

You don't listen very well--do you? Post #825 answered that. You either did not read it or ignored what I said fir your own theory---you have a tendency to do that a lot.
 
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You don't listen very well--do you? Post #825 answered that. You either did not read it or ignored what I said fir your own theory---you have a tendency to do that a lot.
Yep, you were convicted to follow a specific Saturday sabbath by firstly reading law written in ink, thanks
 
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(You don't need to apologize for taking the time you need. I have no expectation of any instant responses. )

See, now you are completely redefining what worship is and severely limiting it to a very narrow concept. Whenever we gather together in his name is worship regardless of what we are doing. You don't think having a meal with the transformed Christ in the flesh isn't worship? We're talking about communion with him in his very person! Wow, I would be overcome had I been there!

The reason you can't find much if any relevance to the sabbath is that there is no relevance to the sabbath. They were meeting together on the first day of the week on all of those occasions not to observe a sabbath day, but to worship God and to celebrate Christ's resurrection. That's what a worship service for non-sabbatarian Christians is all about! Maybe sabbatarians meet together only to corporately have a sabbath day and whatever that entails, but that's not what the rest of us are doing or at least the why of what we're doing. We meet because of all the stuff listed above and more. It's about honoring and glorifying God...worshiping him and honoring him. It doesn't even have to be on Sunday or any other day of the week and many congregations offer services on other days too. Nothing whatsoever to do with sabbath because Gentiles are not under the Sinai covenant that includes a ritual sabbath day and never have been.

You seem to want so much for the first day of the week to have no meaning that you have to creatively make it appear as if nothing significant happened on that day, but in reality, practically everything of significance in the new testament happened on that day.

If observing a sabbath was of primary importance, then not only would all the apostles, disciples, and even Jesus himself be proclaiming it throughout the gospels and letters, but all the significant events pertaining to Christians (as distinguished from Jews) would have also happened on the sabbath, but that's not the case. The sabbath is the sabbath and was specifically for the Israelites at Sinai and their descendants, and "The Way" noted the first day of the week as Christ Jesus, God himself in the flesh, was resurrected that day, and it was his resurrection that changed everything. Without the resurrection, absolutely none of it would matter because we would all be condemned no matter how many laws and sabbath days we diligently followed.
 
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Yes--but the first time He created Sabbath there were no Jews!! And when Jesus said Sabbath was made for man--He did not say Sabbath was made for Jews..

And the first time he actually commanded anyone to observe a sabbath day, to write it into law, was in the covenant he made with the Israelites physically present at the mountain at Sinai (and *not* with their ancestors, i.e. Abraham, Adam, Sarah, etc.) and their descendants, i.e. Jews.

In the garden, there was no evening and morning. God was there...Jesus, who IS our rest, and the Spirit of course were there, and there was a ongoing sabbath after the six days were done. And now after the resurrection, this is the type of sabbath we have yet again through Christ. We should not be mistaking God's sabbath with the ritual weekly sabbath he commanded to the Israelites at Sinai and used specifically as a sign for that covenant. Observing a weekly ritual sabbath has no further function because that ritual sabbath was just a shadow that was pointing to Christ, our true rest, all along.

I wonder if it was coincidence that the following article appeared in my inbox this morning:

Giving Sabbath A Rest
 
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