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[bekkilyn]

Not really--0it just takes knowing that God set aside one day as His sign that He is the Creator God that made this world and everything in it and around it. And what the beast chooses as an act of showing it's power and authority --or what the beast is going on about how it is to be worshiped.

Then you should have no trouble in pointing those out.

Took me about two seconds of googling:

The significance of the first day of the week (Sunday) for Christians

 

[mmksparbud]

No they didn't. The old covenant seventh day sabbath is still Saturday.

The commandment Sabbath is still Saturday--and they admit that--what they changed is the solemnity of it to Sunday. They made the day of Sunday the day to worship--legally--Constantine did that---to worship on the "venerable day of the sun"--no work on that day. Only ones allowed to work were farmers`.

If you want to observe a physical sabbath day, then that's your choice. Many Christians do observe a sabbath day of rest because it is healthy. It still acts as a means of grace for growing in spiritual maturity and deepening our relationship with God. It's just no longer a ritual commandment under law.

Has nothing to do with choice--I don't care which day it is--God does, and He said which day---just as He said which fruit. He is the Creator God, He decides---we don't.

There is no verse because you are misinterpreting why most Christians meet on the first day of the week. It has nothing to do with observing a sabbath and everything to do with celebrating Christ's resurrection. Christians aren't moving the sabbath from one day to another because there is no requirement to observe a ritual weekly sabbath under the new covenant, so Christians would not be observing a sabbath on *any* day. Or perhaps it's more accurate to say that Christians are always observing a sabbath because we are resting in Jesus day by day as we walk with him.

No, I am nit misunderstanding. I know why they set Sunday aside. And if Christians want to have a day to celebrate His resurrection, there is nothing wrong with that. The problem lies when you keep a day Holy instead of the day God specifically set aside for that purpose. And Jesus never once said--nor did His disciples say-"we will now celebrate the resurrection of Jesus instead of the Sabbath"---never once.
Again--the New covenant does not set aside any of the 10--it only decided where to write them! And once again--no we can not observe every day as a Sabbath for God said we are to work 6 days a week-the 7th is His day--not our day--though it is for our benefit--as everything God does for us is for our benefit.

 

[mmksparbud]

I am personally against laws that limit people's religious freedom, even for non-Christians, and even for religions Christians are naturally opposed to. If the government tried to make observing a seventh day sabbath illegal, I would be opposed to that law.

So are we--if there was a law that said we are to observe Saturday, we would be against it. Observance of God's way of life is one of choice, and love, not force.

 

[mmksparbud]

Old covenant gone. All the jots and tittles of old heaven and earth have passed. Jesus did say this.
The sabbath does still exist though...in HIM.

Last time I looked--heaven and earth are still here---did I miss something?? Looks like same old heaven and earth to me.

Then there is no need to allow them to define it for you, but it might also be a good idea to recognize they don't define it for the rest of us either. I know in my own denomination, there would be a mass exodus if our conference were to force us under the rule of a pope or the papacy, and I would be one of them. Not that I believe it would happen because we have a global democratic conference, but I suppose if the Evangelicals are right and the anti-Christ turns out to be a person who will set up a one world government and one world religion, then true believers would be called out of that system.

It has alr34ady happened. Not exactly a secret. Several Protestant churches have gone back under the rule of the Papacy and the UK and some here. You can look those up yourself. Time will tell.

 

[mmksparbud]

Why allow yourselves to be defined by the RCC? Who cares what they say if you're not a part of their organization? Catholics who believe that there will be in any way wide-scale unity with them while there is a papacy or pope in existence are very deceived, and even then there is all the stuff with Mary and the saints and confession to other human beings, statues and religious icons everywhere, etc. Many protestants are about as anti-pope (*any* pope) as one can get. In fact, people in my region will leave their churches if they even have the appearance of being in any way Catholic.

Who says we are doing that? We are only saying what is to be. What is to happen, will happen, and already is starting.

 

[bekkilyn]

The commandment Sabbath is still Saturday--and they admit that--what they changed is the solemnity of it to Sunday. They made the day of Sunday the day to worship--legally--Constantine did that---to worship on the "venerable day of the sun"--no work on that day. Only ones allowed to work were farmers`.

Constantine made the law for a Sunday because the majority of Christians were *already* worshiping on Sunday. It wasn't like they were all worshiping on Saturday and he just randomly decided for Sunday. He made it the day they were already worshiping because he wanted to show Christians he supported them. It doesn't mean that he changed the sabbath...he was giving them time to worship on a day that they were already worshiping.

The reason SDA are so insistent he "changed the sabbath" is because the little horn in Daniel changing the times and days would be all screwed up, so we have to make sure that the prophetic interpretation remains intact regardless of whether or not it is actually true.

Has nothing to do with choice--I don't care which day it is--God does, and He said which day---just as He said which fruit. He is the Creator God, He decides---we don't.

Of course he decides, but he can also decide who he tells to do something without us being presumptuous to think that everything he says to someone else also applies directly to us too.

No, I am nit misunderstanding. I know why they set Sunday aside. And if Christians want to have a day to celebrate His resurrection, there is nothing wrong with that. The problem lies when you keep a day Holy instead of the day God specifically set aside for that purpose. And Jesus never once said--nor did His disciples say-"we will now celebrate the resurrection of Jesus instead of the Sabbath"---never once.
Again--the New covenant does not set aside any of the 10--it only decided where to write them! And once again--no we can not observe every day as a Sabbath for God said we are to work 6 days a week-the 7th is His day--not our day--though it is for our benefit--as everything God does for us is for our benefit.

God didn't make any commands one way or another as to which days they set aside for worship or for holy days. Gentiles were never required to practice any holy days, unless you might consider a day you observe communion to be a holy day, since Jesus specifically said to do that in remembrance of him. He didn't insist it be done on any particular day of the week though. If we choose to worship God on any given day, then that's simply what we are doing. Worshiping God.

 

[bekkilyn]

Last time I looked--heaven and earth are still here---did I miss something?? Looks like same old heaven and earth to me.

Well as the new heavens and earth pertain to new Jerusalem, so the old heavens and earth pertain to old Jerusalem (or simply the Jerusalem that existed in Jesus' day).

It has alr34ady happened. Not exactly a secret. Several Protestant churches have gone back under the rule of the Papacy and the UK and some here. You can look those up yourself. Time will tell.

Someone at an SDA bible study that I went to a while ago claimed this same thing and then when I went and looked up the organization that was involved, none of the churches that attended whatever meeting it was had changed their individual doctrines and there wasn't anything binding on any of them. It was basically just some agreement to be nice to one another and try to work together as Christians.

 

[bekkilyn]

Who says we are doing that? We are only saying what is to be. What is to happen, will happen, and already is starting.

You're saying what you think is to be. It's your own interpretation of biblical prophecy, and practically everyone who has a theory on how the world will end, Christ's second coming, etc. believe that theirs is the true one. I would be willing to bet none of them are 100% accurate and the only thing we really know is that Jesus will come again.

 

[mmksparbud]

I know that SDA has a belief that once Jesus has completed his work in the heavenly temple they believe he is currently in, then all remaining people will need to be without sin through their own efforts since Jesus is no longer available to be their mediator, but I disagree. Like Paul, I am "persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 8:38-39)

Not exactly---When the work of Jesus as our High Priest is over--then He will say
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

It is that the decisions by all, and judgements for all, have been made--it is the end of deciding. He who is lost--remains lost--He who is saved--remains saved. Time is up. He comes now.
Mat_25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Rev_8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

Ever wonder why there is silence is heaven?--Because no one's home!! They are all on their way here and will go back with us. Going by a day for a year in bible prophecy---that ends up being about a week--round trip!

 

[mmksparbud]

Perhaps they were not being led by the Spirit. What are their fruits? Are they producing any fruit of the Spirit? (Love, joy, peace, kindness, etc.) Someone who is led by the Spirit should be producing fruit of the Spirit in some way. If they aren't then they are more susceptible to their own sinful natures.

Exactly.

 

[mmksparbud]

It says right there in the verse, plain as day, "If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law."

Of course not. If you are led by the spirit you will not disobey what God says--don't go over the speed limit--you won't get pulled over by the cops--the spirit will lead you to stay with in the speed limit!

 

[Karola]

Truth is truth, no matter how God chooses to deliver it!

But God, under the new covenant does not deliver truth concerning law to follow through reading what is written in ink, but through what is written on your heart by the Spirit of the living God. You must be missing out on something, according to what is written in scripture

 

[Karola]

It is a law written by God--period--no matter how He chooses to deliver it.

And he chooses to now deliver it through the Spirit of the living God written on the heart

 

[bekkilyn]

Not exactly---When the work of Jesus as our High Priest is over--then He will say
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

It is that the decisions by all, and judgements for all, have been made--it is the end of deciding. He who is lost--remains lost--He who is saved--remains saved. Time is up. He comes now.
Mat_25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Rev_8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

Ever wonder why there is silence is heaven?--Because no one's home!! They are all on their way here and will go back with us. Going by a day for a year in bible prophecy---that ends up being about a week--round trip!

For I am about to create new heavens
and a new earth;
the former things shall not be remembered
or come to mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever
in what I am creating;
for I am about to create Jerusalem as a joy,
and its people as a delight. (Isaiah 65:17-18)

 

[Karola]

The old covenant was kept outside the Ark, the 10 were the only ones kept inside the Ark---which represents the throne of God. Very simple.

Details concerning the old covenant are not needed concerning law in regard to the new covenant, the law is in your heart and mind.

 

[mmksparbud]

Constantine made the law for a Sunday because the majority of Christians were *already* worshiping on Sunday. It wasn't like they were all worshiping on Saturday and he just randomly decided for Sunday. He made it the day they were already worshiping because he wanted to show Christians he supported them. It doesn't mean that he changed the sabbath...he was giving them time to worship on a day that they were already worshiping.

The reason SDA are so insistent he "changed the sabbath" is because the little horn in Daniel changing the times and days would be all screwed up, so we have to make sure that the prophetic interpretation remains intact regardless of whether or not it is actually true.

Wrong--it was because the majority of the pagans were doing so and this was a way to bring them in and to differentiate from the Jews completely. Christians and Jews were worshipping on Saturday. That is the truth.

 

[mmksparbud]

You're saying what you think is to be. It's your own interpretation of biblical prophecy, and practically everyone who has a theory on how the world will end, Christ's second coming, etc. believe that theirs is the true one. I would be willing to bet none of them are 100% accurate and the only thing we really know is that Jesus will come again.

As I keep saying--so far so good-time will tell!

 

[bekkilyn]

Of course not. If you are led by the spirit you will not disobey what God says--don't go over the speed limit--you won't get pulled over by the cops--the spirit will lead you to stay with in the speed limit!

The purpose of the Spirit is NOT so that we can become better lawkeepers. Read those verses again. We are not under the law.

 

[mmksparbud]

Well as the new heavens and earth pertain to new Jerusalem, so the old heavens and earth pertain to old Jerusalem (or simply the Jerusalem that existed in Jesus' day).



Someone at an SDA bible study that I went to a while ago claimed this same thing and then when I went and looked up the organization that was involved, none of the churches that attended whatever meeting it was had changed their individual doctrines and there wasn't anything binding on any of them. It was basically just some agreement to be nice to one another and try to work together as Christians.

No--the agreement is they go as they are for now--but that they are under the covering of the Papacy, whatever thst means!(that's the fine print nobody reads!)

 

[Karola]

A "saturday Sabbath"??? Do you mean "the Bible Sabbath" or "The Word of God saying 'The seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD' Ex 20:10??

As I stated - I already accept those as "Christians" who pray to the dead, who bow down before images and promise to serve those they represent.

4 “.

I accept as Christians people who have to read law written in ink, in order to know what the law is they believe they should follow, though it is not a law written in ink for the believer under the new covenant. I'm easy going too.
I disagree with your understanding though
Through the law we may or may not become conscious of sin. That is not written in the bible.
As I said previously, catholics woud disagree with your views concerning them praying to the dead and worshipping statues, why not discuss it with them