Scientists don't require time machines to study craters.

[AV1611VET]

The earth's maturity IS history.

Same for the raisins in the raisin bread example that God created instantly?

The Chicxulub crater shows the maturity of the earth in its history.

The Chicxulub crater shows an asteroid (or whatever) hit the earth sometime in the past.

That's all it shows.

Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Same for the raisins in the raisin bread that God created instantly?

No, it's not the same at all. Were you force-fed raisins as a kid?

The Chicxulub crater shows an asteroid (or whatever) hit the earth sometime in the past.

Yes. A historical event, the study of which illustrates the maturity of the earth.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, it's not the same at all.

Yes, it is the same at all.

Were you force-fed raisins as a kid?

No.

And for the record, I don't like raisin bread.

Yes. A historical event,

Yup ... and that's all.

... the study of which illustrates the maturity of the earth.

But not its history.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Yes, it is the same at all.

No it's not.

Yup ... and that's all.

"That's all"? What the heck is that supposed to mean?

But not its history.

Yes it is. An impact crater is evidence of an event that happened. They do not just form.

Or is this more of your "God isn't deceptive, except when I say that He is deceptive" malarkey again? I'd bet money that it is.

 

[AV1611VET]

No it's not.

Either that, or it is.

"That's all"? What the heck is that supposed to mean?

That means that's all.

Quit trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

An object from space hit the earth and made a crater.

That's all there is to it.

Making it into a dinosaur extinction event or some kind of bottleneck event would require a time machine.

Yes it is. An impact crater is evidence of an event that happened.

No kidding?

Did I say it didn't happen?

They do not just form.

Not this one anyway.

Or is this more of your "God isn't deceptive, except when I say that He is deceptive" malarkey again?

Thanks for the cheap shot.

I'd bet money that it is.

Just don't bet that you understand what I'm talking about.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Either that, or it is.

But it's not.

That means that's all.

Quit trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

An object from space hit the earth and made a crater.

That's all there is to it.

Making it into a dinosaur extinction event or some kind of bottleneck event would require a time machine.

Aren't you the person who's so fond of talking about cause and effect?

The OP is showing cause and effect with the asteroid strike, showing that we don't need a time machine to see it.

You'd be useless on a murder case. "Oh, the person has a gunshot wound to the chest and we have evidence of their blood at the crime scene plus DNA from the attacker too? Nah, can't investigate that. We'd need a time machine for that."

No kidding?

Did I say it didn't happen?

You act like it's of zero scientific significance. But then again, you old tag-line was "SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE"

Not this one anyway.

They never just form.

Thanks for the cheap shot.

It's a shot based on many years of knowing your spiel, both as a user and a lurker.

Just don't bet that you understand what I'm talking about.

Don't go throwing stones in your glass house, AV.

 

[AV1611VET]

You act like it's of zero scientific significance.

Something from space hit the earth and left evidence of occurrence behind.

That is all.

Get all the science you can from it, but don't try to convince me it left a huge mark in the earth's history.

All it left behind was a crater and debris [apparently] all over the earth.

It's a shot based on many years of knowing your spiel, both as a user and a lurker.

You think you "know my spiel."

That's important to you, isn't it?

But your previous posts here in this thread show otherwise.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Something from space hit the earth and left evidence of occurrence behind.

That is all.

Get all the science you can from it, but don't try to convince me it left a huge mark in the earth's history.

All it left behind was a crater and debris [apparently] all over the earth.

And how is the latter not a 'huge mark in the earth's history'?

Although then again; you do have your own view on what history actually is.

You think you "know my spiel."

That's important to you, isn't it?

Never once said it was.

But your previous posts here in this thread show otherwise.

When the earth is the topic of discussion, talking about the maturity of the earth is talking about its history. One cannot exist without the other and to say otherwise, especially with regards to the Christian creative narrative, is to be deceptive.

 

[Tuur]

And how is the latter not a 'huge mark in the earth's history'?

I wouldn't mind seeing an animation of the impact of the Chicxulub asteroid set to Bad Day.

 

[dlamberth]

Something from space hit the earth and left evidence of occurrence behind.

That is all.

Get all the science you can from it, but don't try to convince me it left a huge mark in the earth's history.

All it left behind was a crater and debris [apparently] all over the earth.

I'm pretty sure that when something large enough while hitting the earth at asteroid speed with an estimated impact of 72 teratonnes of TNT, flinging debris all over the earth would leave more than a significant mark on earth's history. Science is opening a window into just how far reaching Chicxulbub has impacted earth's history. And it's pretty deep.

 

[sjastro]

Something from space hit the earth and left evidence of occurrence behind.

That is all.

Get all the science you can from it, but don't try to convince me it left a huge mark in the earth's history.

All it left behind was a crater and debris [apparently] all over the earth.

The extinction of over 75% of animal and plant species is no big deal is it.
Next you will be telling us dinosaurs did not become extinct but coexisted with humans using the following as evidence.

I still can't get over it how you left your fellow creationists high and dry and the application of your Boolean standards to your posts in this thread violates your prime directive.

 

[sjastro]

I'm pretty sure that when something large enough while hitting the earth at asteroid speed with an estimated impact of 72 teratonnes of TNT, flinging debris all over the earth would leave more than a significant mark on earth's history. Science is opening a window into just how far reaching Chicxulbub has impacted earth's history. And it's pretty deep.

By comparison the Tunguska event which occurred on the 30th June of 1908 was the airburst of an asteroid about 50-60 metres in size at an altitude of 5-10 km.
This was equivalent to a puny 3-5 megaton explosion yet it resulted in the flattening of around 80 million trees over 2150 km² of forest.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm pretty sure that when something large enough while hitting the earth at asteroid speed with an estimated impact of 72 teratonnes of TNT, flinging debris all over the earth would leave more than a significant mark on earth's history.

I already addressed that in a previous post.

 

[AV1611VET]

The extinction of over 75% of animal and plant species is no big deal is it.

Assuming that's what happened.

If it did, yes, it would be a big deal.

But I don't assume that's what happened.

Especially since the earth was being repopulated after a 99.999999999% extinction event.

Next you will be telling us dinosaurs did not become extinct but coexisted with humans using the following as evidence.

I'd rather use the books of Job, Psalms, and Isaiah as evidence.

I still can't get over it how you left your fellow creationists high and dry and the application of your Boolean standards to your posts in this thread violates your prime directive.

I have a feeling you don't understand my Boolean standards vis-a-vis my Prime Directive.

 

[AV1611VET]

By comparison the Tunguska event which occurred on the 30th June of 1908 was the airburst of an asteroid about 50-60 metres in size at an altitude of 5-10 km.
This was equivalent to a puny 3-5 megaton explosion yet it resulted in the flattening of around 80 million trees over 2150 km² of forest.

So?

 

[Tuur]

I'm pretty sure that when something large enough while hitting the earth at asteroid speed with an estimated impact of 72 teratonnes of TNT, flinging debris all over the earth would leave more than a significant mark on earth's history. Science is opening a window into just how far reaching Chicxulbub has impacted earth's history. And it's pretty deep.

Like earthquakes:

Dino-killing asteroid triggered 'mega-earthquake' that rocked the planet for months

The Chicxulub impact rocked the world. Literally.

www.livescience.com

Now, in this article is something interesting besides the earthquakes: pollen a soon as 6 months after impact. It would be interesting to know if the species is identifiable as it ties into something else: the idea of global incineration due to incoming debris followed by a drop in global temperatures due to blocked sunlight. Something was growing, and even it if was a fast growing species, there was enough light that they didn't wither and die.

 

[sjastro]

Assuming that's what happened.

If it did, yes, it would be a big deal.

But I don't assume that's what happened.

Especially since the earth was being repopulated after a 99.999999999% extinction event.

Of course you don't assume it's the case because you have this ridiculous idea that dinosaurs and humans coexisted.
Don't let the evidence get in way such as dinosaur and human remains not found in the same layers, the Flintstones and creation museums do not give honest accounts.

I'd rather use the books of Job, Psalms, and Isaiah as evidence.

This is your overactive imagination and distortion of the Bible at work, besides as shown in this thread via your Boolean standards you have demonstrated the science is correct and the Bible is wrong without any help from me.

I have a feeling you don't understand my Boolean standards vis-a-vis my Prime Directive.

And I have a feeling you suffer from the Dunning Kruger effect where you are are legend in your own mind without the vaguest understanding of how illogical your Boolean standards are.

 

[SelfSim]

I have a feeling you don't understand my Boolean standards vis-a-vis my Prime Directive.

I think your Prime Directive is actually:

'Whenever science demonstrates that my literal interpretations of the Bible are nonsense, say anything in order to retreat'

 

[dlamberth]

I already addressed that in a previous post.

It looked to me like you down played the significance of Chicxulub on earths history. Still does.

 

[sjastro]

So?

So?
Clearly you can't grasp the scales involved, if a 3-4 megaton air burst at an altitude of up to 10 km can destroy 2150 km² of forest, by comparison the 80,000,000 megaton asteroid impact at the surface is going to do considerably more damage in particular the aftermath when particulate matter ejected into atmosphere resulted in climate change and the destruction of habitats leading to mass extinctions.