Scientists don't require time machines to study craters.

[AV1611VET]

You have destroyed the notion of the Bible as being infallible and your Boolean standards with it.

I think you're wrong.

 

[sjastro]

I think you're wrong.

Prove it.

 

[Astrid]

Prove it.

Both of you are violating forum rules
besides threatening the IQ of anyone
foolish enough to read even one side.

 

[sjastro]

I think you're wrong.

Prove it.

Both of you are violating forum rules
besides threatening the IQ of anyone
foolish enough to read even one side.

And your IQ is?

 

[Astrid]

Prove it.

And your IQ is?

Notenuf i can afford to shed much

 

[sjastro]

Notenuf i can afford to shed much

While you may have found recent posts in this thread not particularly intellectually stimulating, I was trying to make sense of how a serial thread derailer applied the tools of his trade here by undermining YEC, including contradicting his Boolean standards and the "Under no circumstances whatsoever is the Bible to be contradicted" prime directive.

 

[AV1611VET]

While you may have found recent posts in this thread not particularly intellectually stimulating, I was trying to make sense of how a serial thread derailer applied the tools of his trade here by undermining YEC, including contradicting his Boolean standards and the "Under no circumstances whatsoever is the Bible to be contradicted" prime directive.

How'd that work out for you?

 

[Tuur]

For someone whose mantra is "Science can take a hike" is basically stating the science is right and the creationist account is wrong.

How does the Chicxulub impact mean that God didn't create the universe?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

How does the Chicxulub impact mean that God didn't create the universe?

It's more that the dating of the Chicxulub impact to 65 million years ago flies in the face of the Young Earth Creationist view that the earth was only formed 6000 years ago.

 

[Tuur]

It's more that the dating of the Chicxulub impact to 65 million years ago flies in the face of the Young Earth Creationist view that the earth was only formed 6000 years ago.

Maybe. I'm an OEC, not a YEC, but if a YEC was into a theory of time distortion, it would allow for it. The problem is how such time distortion would happen and how would it account for other things that point to a universe billions of years old.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Maybe. I'm an OEC, not a YEC, but if a YEC was into a theory of time distortion, it would allow for it. The problem is how such time distortion would happen and how would it account for other things that point to a universe billions of years old.

I mean, it is true that God could do anything, but it brings up the question of why he would intentionally, in a 6000 year old earth, making everything appear to be, and for all intents and purposes be, magnitudes older than it really was.

Things like the Chicxulub impact only cause problems for YECs because then it's nothing but mental gymnastics and weird commentaries.

 

[Astrid]

While you may have found recent posts in this thread not particularly intellectually stimulating, I was trying to make sense of how a serial thread derailer applied the tools of his trade here by undermining YEC, including contradicting his Boolean standards and the "Under no circumstances whatsoever is the Bible to be contradicted" prime directive.

Making sense of the senseless is as in
vain as my Quest contra said serial derailment.

 

[AV1611VET]

Making sense of the senseless is as in vain as my Quest contra said serial derailment.

Flattery will get you nowhere.

 

[AV1611VET]

How does the Chicxulub impact mean that God didn't create the universe?

Good question.

 

[AV1611VET]

I mean, it is true that God could do anything, but it brings up the question of why he would intentionally, in a 6000 year old earth, making everything appear to be, and for all intents and purposes be, magnitudes older than it really was.

I think the reasons are obvious, don't you?

Some things that require age were brought into existence ex nihilo and ex materia.

My favorite example is raisin bread.

Suppose God created loaves of raisin bread to feed the hungry.

Would you accuse Him of "intentionally making them appear to be older in order to deceive the hungry"?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I think the reasons are obvious, don't you?

Some things that require age were brought into existence ex nihilo and ex materia.

My favorite example is raisin bread.

Suppose God created loaves of raisin bread to feed the hungry.

Would you accuse Him of "intentionally making them appear to be older in order to deceive the hungry"?

It's not the same thing at all.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's not the same thing at all.

Ya ... actually it is.

It's this simple:

Things don't work properly until they're mature, and maturity comes at different times.

An apple matures within 135 days, whereas radiohalos take thousands of years.

But God can create both an apple and a radiohalo in the blink of an eye.

Both fully mature.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Ya ... actually it is.

It's this simple:

Things don't work properly until they're mature, and maturity comes at different times.

An apple matures within 135 days, whereas radiohalos take thousands of years.

But God can create both an apple and a radiohalo in the blink of an eye.

Both fully mature.

Yes, God can create things in the blink of an eye, true.

But to what purpose would God create the entire world with billions of years of history if He only created it 6000 years ago, and apparently doing so that former time frame is a lie but the latter is the truth? Why?

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, God can create things in the blink of an eye, true.

Yup.

But to what purpose would God create the entire world with billions of years of history if He only created it 6000 years ago,

He didn't created the world with billions of years of history.

He created the world with billions of years of maturity.

Just like the raisin bread example.

Loaves of raisin bread, created with mature grapes (raisins).

Grapes need 3 to 4 days in the hot sun to become raisins, but God creating raisin* bread instantly would be deemed an act of deception by some, wouldn't it?

*Raisins ... mature, but without a history.

... and apparently doing so that former time frame is a lie but the latter is the truth? Why?

I don't think you quite get it, do you?

I'm talking about maturity without history.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

He didn't created the world with billions of years of history.

He created the world with billions of years of maturity.

No, it's history. We have evidence of creatures and civilizations that go far beyond 6000 years, we have evidence of geological events that push the age of the earth well past 6000 years.

That is the history of the earth, which is the study of the maturity of the earth. In this situation they're tied together.

I'm talking about maturity without history.

The earth's maturity IS history. You say that God created the earth with a fake history to make it look older than it is. No-one to blame when people say that you call God deceptive.

The Chicxulub crater shows the maturity of the earth in its history.