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Scientist gives lecture on effects of Covid vaccine.

Discussion in 'Conspiracy Theories' started by Jeshu, Sep 27, 2021.

  1. Jeshu

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    Sure any vaccine which can be proven to work safely, and has been ethically made, is most welcome. The questions is are they really there? And at what cost are we serving these modern idols today? (Vaccine injuries are very real.)

    However i don't think the Covid vaccines fall in that category of ethical, safe and effective. They are all experimental, we simply don't know the long term outcome these vaccines are going to have.

    Places where a lot of people are fully vaccinated still fight Covid, and in most cases the death rate is right up, not down.

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  2. Sabertooth

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    We know that too well, but we now know what to look out for.
    Most routine vaccines are safe, or have safe alternatives available.

    On a related note, I have been injured by a contemporary version of anesthesia as an adult. (It is a nuisance injury.) There is no reason to believe that foul play was involved. I just avoid that drug going forward.
    Those that don't use aborted fetal cells can be considered ethical.
    Those that use established developmental procedures can be considered safe.
    (The long-term safety of novel procedures is less certain, especially where pre-existing conditions are concerned.)
    Effectiveness, however, can only be determined by "wait-and-see."
     
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  3. Jeshu

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    What do you want me to notice about that report?
    (I am already "on the fence" about mRNA vaccines.)
     
  5. Jeshu

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    Just gathering evidence really

    The vaccines you are betting on are still to be seen about, i haven't seen much research on it, or heard about people using it.

    Have got any data on those vaccines?
     
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  10. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    What are you on the fence about?
     
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    RUMBLE - "informal British/UK" discover (an illicit activity or its perpetrator) ie: to discover the true facts about someone or something secret and often illegal:
     
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  13. Sabertooth

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    For mRNA vaccines,
    1. Is ethical ☑
    2. Is safe (for our family immune condition) ☐
    3. Is serviceably effective ☐
    Even without consulting conspiratorial sources, mainstream media regularly contradicts itself on #3.
    Having been a plaintiff in two previous vaccine injury cases, that kind of double-talk is not new (to us) and does not inspire confidence.
    (Neither do brow-beating or name-calling...)
     
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  14. Michael Collum

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    The one who fears is never perfected in love.
     
  15. GOD Shines Forth!

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    The fear John is speaking of in 1 John 4:18 has to do with judgment...and nothing to do with vaccines, pro or con.
     
  16. Michael Collum

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    Conspiracies are all about fear and fearmongering, the 1st John passage speaks about how love is matured within us so we have confidence on the day of judgment, and that fear is the exact opposite direction of that love. You proposal that this passage is not a valid reference for application, is quite toxic.
     
  17. GOD Shines Forth!

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    John's "fear" was defined, yours (conspiracies) doesn't meet the definition . There is nothing toxic about this assessment.
     
  18. Jeshu

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    i fully agree. However not seeking after truth when we are being lied to 24/7 by this world is just as foolish as sticking your head in the sand. Calling everyone who raises the alarm a conspiracy theorist, a label cleverly invented by the CIA to stop people from believing any other narrative than the official one, it is best to seek out all things and hold onto what is good and not trust the powers to be to speak the truth.

    25 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out to Be True | Best Life
     
  19. Sabertooth

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    Suggesting that an experimental medicine has (or might have) flaws is not the same thing as a "conspiracy theory."
    To "conspire" means to "plot together."
    The "trial & error" nature of drug introduction anticipates that there will be a certain number of unintentional errors.

    It only takes on a conspiratorial quality when
    1. such negative reports are suppressed,*
    2. competing products are withheld, etc.
    *The lack of such negative reports is suspicious in and of itself.
    (Most conventionally approved medicines include a long list of disclaimers.)
    If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.
     
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  20. Michael Collum

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    Isaiah 8:12 illustrates that conspiracies are all about fear.

    The counter conspiracy theory is, the antivax element in US culture was created by Russian intelligence operatives.

    In other news, I'm already fully vaccinated and did not grow an additional arm. So no issues.
     
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