Science vs. Christian

[joshua 1 9]

One of Ussher's mistakes

Ussher did not make any mistakes. He had a lot of references that he used.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Which Hebrew version?

Whatever version the Kabbalah Hasidim Rabbi's use. They are the ones with the teaching on that.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Ussher did not make any mistakes. He had a lot of references that he used.

Of course he made mistakes and one of those was not considering the chronologies of the LXX and SP, not to mention extra-biblical chronologies (eg, Jubilees, Josephus, etc...). It's a rather glaring omission on his part. There are 3 versions of the Old Testament with markedly different chronologies, and he didn't even mention this, much less take it under consideration. Seems like his choice of preferred chronology is arbitrary.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Whatever version the Kabbalah Hasidim Rabbi's use.

Why use that one?

 

[nolidad]

Just for sake of argument, how long is the Millennium then?

Exactly as it says in all languages 1,000 years!

Mil=1,000 annum= year.

 

[nolidad]

LXX dates Eden to almost 8000 years ago, which is basically in agreement with archeology

We cannot know for certainty where Eden was! The flood destroyed the entire topography of the world, and the present tigris and euphrates rivers could be just rivers renamed after the originals and be in a different location.

But I prefer to rely on the genealogies in Scripture which dates Eden c. 6,000 years.

 

[nolidad]

wasn't intended to in any way dismiss God nor our worship of Him ... was just saying that we argue and argue about creation and evolution in relation to this turned into that here on earth .... when ... both science and creationists agree, the beginning of all things started in the cosmos.

Actually , space and the earth were created together. the moon and sun and stars came later!

 

[nolidad]

well, one view is that the Eden story is an accurate (if maybe not completely precise) deep memory of the transition from hunter-gather to farmer...

i.e. the Agricultural Revolution -- arguably the most momentous change ever, for example cumulative to date the AR has caused more climate change than the Ind. Rev.

So Adam & Eve would represent all of those early "Mesolithic" HG cultures you implied, up until about 6000 BC and the dawn of Agriculture (= curse of Gen 3:19) and large urban cities (= Cain living in Nod and building the first city)

But why not just believe Gods Word? Adam and his descendants were farmer gatherers until after Noah left the Ark when god gave mankind permission to eat meats!

 

[joshua 1 9]

Why use that one?

Because their tradition is time honored and goes back to Abraham, Moses & Adam. The problem is they add to what Moses wrote so Jesus tells us to be careful. Matthew 23:2 “The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So practice and observe everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach"

I just follow the teaching about the Hebrew Letters themselves. I do not try to figure out all the different symbols the way they do. All of the Hebrew Letters can be found in the Star of David. A Star is made up of two triangles. Father, Son & Holy Spirit - Body, Soul & Spirit.

 

[nolidad]

Because their tradition is time honored and goes back to Abraham, Moses & Adam. The problem is they add to what Moses wrote so Jesus tells us to be careful. Matthew 23:2 “The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So practice and observe everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach"

I just follow the teaching about the Hebrew Letters themselves. I do not try to figure out all the different symbols the way they do. All of the Hebrew Letters can be found in the Star of David. A Star is made up of two triangles. Father, Son & Holy Spirit - Body, Soul & Spirit.

Maybe, maybe not- but it is irrelavent! Israel is the covenanted people of God with or without the Mogen David.

It was not of significant value to Israel until the 19th Century.

 

[joshua 1 9]

well, one view is that the Eden story is an accurate (if maybe not completely precise)

The story of Adam & Eve in the Bible is very precise. As a carpenter I use to make templets or patterns. They also use the word paradigm or archetype. Everything becomes standard because they follow the pattern or the templet. The Bible refers to shadow and types. Eden in our Biology book is a biodiverse eco sytem. Only this according to the Science of Botany is the beginning of the domestication of plants and animals. So that makes Eden very special. This is why science uses the words Adam, Eve & Eden. Esp when talking about a common ancestor that the theory of evolution is based upon. The second chapter of Genesis talks about the "generations" Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations (תּוֹלְדָה) of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens," This is a very powerful verse as is the very first verse in the Bible: Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

Genesis ch 1 is about beginning. Ch 2 is about the generations. Ch 3 is about the Tree of the Knowledge of good & evil and the serpent. This lays the foundation for the rest of the Bible.

 

[joshua 1 9]

but it is irrelavent!

Understanding the Hebrew letters that are used to write the Bible is anything but irrelevant. If you understand what the letters represent then you understand what a word means. In Bible school we learn that we define a word based on context. There is a lot more to understanding the Bible then just looking at context. We look at words to understand a sentence and in the same way we look at the letters to understand the meaning of a word. Just like elements are made up of atoms.

 

[joshua 1 9]

This leaves too many unanswered questions about he nature of biblical chronologies to take Ussher seriously.

Yet his book is still in print and people still talk about his book a lot today.

 

[nolidad]

Understanding the Hebrew letters that are used to write the Bible is anything but irrelevant. If you understand what the letters represent then you understand what a word means. In Bible school we learn that we define a word based on context. There is a lot more to understanding the Bible then just looking at context. We look at words to understand a sentence and in the same way we look at the letters to understand the meaning of a word. Just like elements are made up of atoms.

I was reffewring ot the Hebrew alphabet represented in the Mogen David- not the Hebrew alphabet.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Whatever version the Kabbalah Hasidim Rabbi's use. They are the ones with the teaching on that.

if they are such authorities on scripture, then should we trust what they say about Jesus being the Christ?

 

[Erik Nelson]

Because their tradition is time honored and goes back to Abraham, Moses & Adam. The problem is they add to what Moses wrote so Jesus tells us to be careful. Matthew 23:2 “The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So practice and observe everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach"

I just follow the teaching about the Hebrew Letters themselves. I do not try to figure out all the different symbols the way they do. All of the Hebrew Letters can be found in the Star of David. A Star is made up of two triangles. Father, Son & Holy Spirit - Body, Soul & Spirit.

how can they be both authoritative and have edited the text?

 

[Erik Nelson]

But why not just believe Gods Word? Adam and his descendants were farmer gatherers until after Noah left the Ark when god gave mankind permission to eat meats!

gatherers until genesis 3:19, then vegetarian farmers, yes

makes me think of India where they still don't eat beef

historically, farming developed before animal husbandry, so still consistent with the overall gist of genesis

 

[Yekcidmij]

Yet his book is still in print and people still talk about his book a lot today.

So too with the Enuma Elish. This isn't a reason.

 

[joshua 1 9]

how can they be both authoritative and have edited the text?

Jesus can add to what we receive from Moses because He is the Word of God. Also He is the Son of God so He has that authority.

 

[joshua 1 9]

if they are such authorities on scripture, then should we trust what they say about Jesus being the Christ?

Of course we can trust the teaching of Jesus. The Hasidim only follow the teachings of Moses. So they only talk about what Moses & the Prophets tells us about the Messiah (Mashiah). That in and of itself has a lot of value to see the second coming from their perspective. Which for them is actually the first coming. They do not accept Jesus as the Lamb of God they only accept Him as the Lion of Judah. When the church is raptured out of the world they will again become God's witness here in this world. The age of Grace will have come to an end and for 7 years we will be under the law. When the sacrifices on the temple mount begins again.