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Savior of the World, or Eternal Failure?

Der Alte

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Thank you for deending my position against Fine Linen and St. Stephen. Now if they would only recognize these truths, all would be well!
My pleasure. All we can do is keep providing the truth and perhaps we can reach some people who are on the fringes thinking about joining or leaving one of the heterodox groups.
 
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There are three views of the final judgment. I have chosen a different view than you and most others. Yet I am treated as if I came from another planet. Go figure.

The other planet is a glorious place to rest your weary head (and spirit). On that lonely planet are some of the finest trophies of the love & grace of Abba.

I despise lists, but among Father's pleasure are the Isaac Watts, George MacDonald & Dr. Wm. Barclay to name a few. Yes, and a bunch are not on the list, some of whom are my personal friends & great inspiration.

Dearest Father: thank you for Your lonely planet!

 
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You're basically saying that faith in Christ is a waste of time and energy..
No, I'm not saying that at all. Very worth while. Now and forever.
 
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So you weren't saved by faith... standing in the vast presence of truth in your face?

No, I was saved by faith.. never seeing Jesus. Only hearing of Him through the Bible and people preaching or giving testimony of Him and what He has done for us... Believing even though I have not seen... Remember?

John 20:29 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

29 Jesus said unto him, “Thomas, because thou hast seen Me, thou hast believed. Blessed are they that have not seen and yet have believed.”


Standing in the face of Christ in all His majesty, power and glory.. with your sins out there on the table, in plain site with no way to deny it...your whole life exposed in detail....and then accepting Christ for who He is....... Is not faith...

That's like standing outside the bank with a mask in one hand, a bag of money in the other and a gun stuck down your pants at the back.. and admitting you did it and won't do it again...

Besides, Jesus went and proclaimed himself to those in Hades between his crucifixion and resurrection. And one day every knee will bow and tongue acknowledge him, on earth, in heaven and under the earth. How can you say it's not possible when it has already happened?

Yes, every knee will bow... We went over this before... did we not..

Every criminal will submit to it's judge... and the judges ruling...guilty or innocent.. they will have to live by that ruling and the power given to that judge. They will not deny it.

Just because they bow does not mean they are saved.. Not a soul in the universe will deny, one day, that Christ is Lord of Lords....

Some... just before they are sent into outer darkness.
 
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There are three views of the final judgment. I have chosen a different view than you and most others. Yet I am treated as if I came from another planet. Go figure.
Maybe because your view is not biblical, lets everyone get a trophy.. just like the "all winners" tournaments of today...

Oh.. if life were really like that.. Then these kids get out in the real world and are shocked when someone tells them that they didn't do something right.. they failed at something.. they were late and are going to get their pay docked.....

A world where nobody loses.... is pathetic and disrespectful to all involved.
 
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No, I'm not saying that at all. Very worth while. Now and forever.
Well, my buddy at work denies God out right.. Say's I'm a fool for believing in a fairy tale.. He's arrogant and well educated... His morals and integrity are non existent...

But.. he doesn't need faith in Christ and, according to you.. will go for a walk with me in eternity... because God is going to give him a "good talking too"...
 
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Well, my buddy at work denies God out right.. Say's I'm a fool for believing in a fairy tale.. He's arrogant and well educated... His morals and integrity are non existent...

But.. he doesn't need faith in Christ and, according to you.. will go for a walk with me in eternity... because God is going to give him a "good talking too"...

You should tell him the bible says the fool says in his heart there is no God. I guess that may not go down too well though :)
 
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You should tell him the bible says the fool says in his heart there is no God. :)
Yep, done that..

Thing is, people like that don't believe the bible.. so.. what it says.. to them.. is nonsensical circular reasoning..

All I can do is plant a seed and live to show the light of Christ.. If the man desires.. The seed will grow.. If not.. then.. according to some here.. ah.. he'll be in eternity with me anyway.. no fuss no muss..
 
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Well, my buddy at work denies God out right.. Say's I'm a fool for believing in a fairy tale.. He's arrogant and well educated... His morals and integrity are non existent...

But.. he doesn't need faith in Christ and, according to you.. will go for a walk with me in eternity... because God is going to give him a "good talking too"...
Finally, you understand. Now was that so difficult? - lol
 
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Seriously?
I have been supporting my views with scripture all along.
People here have shown you time and time again, with scripture and Greek translations.. and simple analysis and comprehension of the text.. that you are incorrect.

Not to mention the simple logic and theological impossibilities.

Anyway... I'm done here.

God bless.
 
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Ok.. so.. just ignore evidence that you are in error.. good choice.
When only one set of opinions are allowed, it makes for a very small world.
The "us versus them" thing is so divisive. And unnecessary.
 
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People here have shown you time and time again, with scripture and Greek translations.. and simple analysis and comprehension of the text.. that you are incorrect.

Not to mention the simple logic and theological impossibilities.

Anyway... I'm done here.

God bless.
Could we not say the same thing to you?
The forever burning hell doctrine that we were raised with is deplorable.
A good father doesn't put his kids in the oven. Simple.
 
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I am aware that some people will oppose us on the grounds that the Greeks of today use the phrase "the aions of the aions" meaning eternal, everlasting. A Greek gentleman told me several years ago that "the ages of the ages" is how they express eternity in Greek, and that when the book of Revelation says "and the smoke of their torment ascends up to the ages of the ages" (Rev. 14:11) it means FOREVER. Ah, that sounds convincing, conclusive, final and unanswerable, does it not? But precious friend of mine, in studying Bible language we are studying ANCIENT GREEK, not MODERN. The Greek language in two thousand years has changed to such an extent that the ancient tongue is altogether unintelligible to a modern Greek. The fact is, for over a thousand years, up till the year A.D. 1453, Greek was almost unknown or forgotten in most of Europe. Even in Italy, which formerly had been dominated by Greek, it became almost unknown. Ancient Greek has been a dead language for 1500 years! Anyone who knows anything at all will at once see the utter ridiculousness of this form of argument. Ancient and modern Greek are as different as day and night. As well might we teach our children the English of 2,000 years ago, and then expect them to be proficient in modern English, as to try to apply modern meanings to ancient Greek. The older the English, the more unintelligible it becomes. The spelling changes, word meanings change, sentence structure changes, until finally one is hopelessly lost in a morass of indecipherable hieroglyphics. Even in the four centuries since the translation of the King James Bible, what changes have taken place! "Thee" and "thou" have been replaced by the more familiar "you" and are no longer used except in classical literature and religion. "Let" meant to "restrain or prevent" in King James' day; now the word means exactly the opposite, to "permit or allow"! So with Greek. Ancient Greek is a dead language, while modern Greek is a living language, with about as much similarity as there is between German and English.

Source: The Savior of the World, by J. Preston Eby
Kindgdom Bible Studies Savior of the World Series Part 1
 
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Der Alte

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I am aware that some people will oppose us on the grounds that the Greeks of today use the phrase "the aions of the aions" meaning eternal, everlasting. A Greek gentleman told me several years ago that "the ages of the ages" is how they express eternity in Greek, and that when the book of Revelation says "and the smoke of their torment ascends up to the ages of the ages" (Rev. 14:11) it means FOREVER. Ah, that sounds convincing, conclusive, final and unanswerable, does it not? But precious friend of mine, in studying Bible language we are studying ANCIENT GREEK, not MODERN. The Greek language in two thousand years has changed to such an extent that the ancient tongue is altogether unintelligible to a modern Greek. The fact is, for over a thousand years, up till the year A.D. 1453, Greek was almost unknown or forgotten in most of Europe. Even in Italy, which formerly had been dominated by Greek, it became almost unknown. Ancient Greek has been a dead language for 1500 years! Anyone who knows anything at all will at once see the utter ridiculousness of this form of argument. Ancient and modern Greek are as different as day and night. As well might we teach our children the English of 2,000 years ago, and then expect them to be proficient in modern English, as to try to apply modern meanings to ancient Greek. The older the English, the more unintelligible it becomes. The spelling changes, word meanings change, sentence structure changes, until finally one is hopelessly lost in a morass of indecipherable hieroglyphics. Even in the four centuries since the translation of the King James Bible, what changes have taken place! "Thee" and "thou" have been replaced by the more familiar "you" and are no longer used except in classical literature and religion. "Let" meant to "restrain or prevent" in King James' day; now the word means exactly the opposite, to "permit or allow"! So with Greek. Ancient Greek is a dead language, while modern Greek is a living language, with about as much similarity as there is between German and English.

Source: The Savior of the World, by J. Preston Eby

Kindgdom Bible Studies Savior of the World Series Part 1
Well it must be true this guy Eby who has no stated qualifications in Greek says it is.
Here is a link to some factual history of the Greek language.
Greek Language and Linguistics: History
 
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