Sabbath lie

[Frogster]

It was made for man at creation and is part of the creation week. Sabbath/seventh day.

would you promote Sabbath if it were not in the law?

 

[Cribstyl]

Crib, you are a good poster, and you are smart!

Thanks, I try to keep it real with a little help from my friends Scatch, listed, Bugster, Frogster, VictorC, Sophrosyne, LLOJ, more coffee,

 

[Frogster]

Thanks, I try to keep it real with a little help from my friends Scatch, listed, Bugster, Frogster, VictorC, Sophrosyne, LLOJ, more coffee,

You do a good job, clear, grisp, with some salt, and pepper, and with some, a splash of hot sauce!

 

[Elder 111]

The scriptures in Genesis say that God blessed and sanctified the seventh day, not the Sabbath day.
Your only concern is to make Ex20:11 and Mark 2:27 support your comments. You will not address the scriptures I presented to support my comments.
Let's look at your so-called truth. ( Why not give the same expository to the texts I presented)

It's an obvious stretch to link these scriptures Elder, the context are not related.
The comparable texts that you should examine closer is the complete Sabbath commandment in Ex20 and Deut 5

In order not to lose you early, lets look at Deut 5 first.
The Sabbath commandment can be outline as such:
A) The Commandment (what you must do)
B)How and when to do it(6days for all labor, rest on 7th)
C) Why to do it


Deut 5:12 ‘Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. (A)


13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. (B)

15 And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day. (C)
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[Ex 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. (A)
9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. (B)

11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.(C)

You selectively ignore Deut5:15; that being slaves brought out of Egypt as when God first commanded them to keep the Sabbath. (rest from slavery)

In Deut: You were slaves in Egypt therefore(this is why) keep the Sabbath.

The word therefore is the key to understanding that God's rest and the Sabbath are separate issues.
Ex20 simply means: God rested on the seventh day therefore (this is why) He bless the Sabbath day.

The fact that "God rested on the seventh day" is twisted to "the Sabbath was the seventh day in which God rested."

There is no twisting! Ex 16:16. Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
Ex 31:15. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

 

[Elder 111]

would you promote Sabbath if it were not in the law?

Is there another reason? I do not believe God placed it there because He had nothing else to do.

 

[Cribstyl]

There is no twisting! Ex 16:16. Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
Ex 31:15. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

No twisting, but go back a few weeks to Ex12 and we know that the Children of Israel were slaves working 7days a week in Egypt.

I detect you're trying to highlight show that Sabbath preceded Sinai........but you wont be honest and see when it was first given in Ex16.

 

[VictorC]

Your own quote of Exodus 20:11 proves that the Sabbath didn't exist at creation. It is necessary for the impetus to exist before it can be drawn on for the result. The same pattern exists in Deuteronomy 5:15. The Exodus existed before the Sabbath did, just as God's rest existed before the Sabbath did.

Leaving out verse 28 shows that you have no idea Jesus was declaring His divinity - He is Lord of the Sabbath because the Sabbath was made for man, and doesn't pertain to God. The Sabbath wasn't made for God. It can't be found in the creation account.

Jesus said it was made for man. When was everything made that was made?

Feigned dementia doesn't help you - it only reveals incompetence. If nothing else, everyone can see that when you're confronted with Scripture, you have nothing to reconcile your opinion with it. Here you threw away the Bible and posted rhetoric attempting to force-fit an unbiblical idea in it's stead. This reveals that the Bible isn't the basis of your beliefs.

 

[VictorC]

There is no twisting! Ex 16:16. Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
Ex 31:15. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Is there another reason? I do not believe God placed it there because He had nothing else to do.

In both of these responses, you didn't respond to the content or questions confronting you. You didn't even try. All you did was excuse your twist against Holy Writ, as if it were a common thing you can throw away.

 

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Frogster View Post
would you promote Sabbath if it were not in the law?

Is there another reason? I do not believe God placed it there because He had nothing else to do.

Here's the CRUX of ALL hair splitting and thinking up nonsense ever vented over the Sabbath.

The true reason for the Sabbath—the Resurrection of Jesus on the Sabbath—, was hijacked by Sundayists. They robbed the Sabbath's sole honour and bestowed it upon the Day of the lord Sun. They made the Day of the lord Sun the Lord's Day.

HOW? What was that honour belonging to the Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD?

In the beginning after the fall it was Christ through grace and mercy in the Seventh Day in Genesis 3:8 to 24;

At the Passover of Yahweh it was Christ through grace and mercy in the Sabbath and “third day” in Exodus 14:13-31;

And at the Passover of Yahweh again, it was Christ through grace and mercy in the Sabbath—, in all the Gospels and finally in Matthew 27:62 to 28:1-4, Ephesians 1:19-23 Colossians 2:12-19 Hebrews 4:8-10 et al.

These Scripture all were attributed to Sunday through centuries of man’s thoughts and contemplations and considerations and preferences TAKEN FOR GRANTED through the POWER OF TRADITION AND POPULARITY WITH PEOPLE, instead of the fear of God and suffering for His Name’s sake.

 

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

In both of these responses, you didn't respond to the content or questions confronting you. You didn't even try. All you did was excuse your twist against Holy Writ, as if it were a common thing you can throw away.

Now this is what <<twist against Holy Writ>> is.

You don't even quote a Scripture; you just ACCUSE---no more than ACCUSE, and falsely. Elder111 posted what is written and posted it TRUTHFULLY.

You did the <twisting against Holy Writ>.

What does <Holy Writ> mean to you but your rock to stone with!

 

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

I'll try again....

 

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Originally Posted by Elder 111 View Post
Jesus said it was made for man. When was everything made that was made?

Feigned dementia doesn't help you - it only reveals incompetence. If nothing else, everyone can see that when you're confronted with Scripture, you have nothing to reconcile your opinion with it. Here you threw away the Bible and posted rhetoric attempting to force-fit an unbiblical idea in it's stead. This reveals that the Bible isn't the basis of your beliefs.

Astounding! Witness illustration of SELF-WITNESS and ego&#8212; it&#8217;s unbelievable yet to the letter and spirit of it, exact and pertinent. Goodness gracious me! I have never seen the peer of a self-portrait!

By the way, where are you picking up your phraseology?

 

[Elder 111]

No twisting, but go back a few weeks to Ex12 and we know that the Children of Israel were slaves working 7days a week in Egypt.

I detect you're trying to highlight show that Sabbath preceded Sinai........but you wont be honest and see when it was first given in Ex16.

When Moses returned to Egypt the Israelites rested on the Sabbath. Ex. 5:And Pharaoh said, Behold, the people of the land now are many, and ye make them rest from their burdens.
There is no need to twist, we find in God's word clear support for the facts.
Twisting is required to deny the Sabbath before Sinai not to support it.

 

[listed]

You do a good job, clear, grisp, with some salt, and pepper, and with some, a splash of hot sauce!

Hot sauce keeps the system clean. Peppers are great food.

 

[VictorC]

Now this is what <<twist against Holy Writ>> is.

You don't even quote a Scripture; you just ACCUSE---no more than ACCUSE, and falsely. Elder111 posted what is written and posted it TRUTHFULLY.

You did the <twisting against Holy Writ>.

What does <Holy Writ> mean to you but your rock to stone with!

You wrote two posts to complain about my posts, but in neither response did you identify anything that you disagree with. Or, are you just being contentious for no reason because you have already reduced everyone to "Sundayists" as you posted to someone else? Most of us have publicly stated that Sunday Sabbatarianism is just as fraught with errors as Saturday Sabbatarianism.

Elder111 doesn't acknowledge Scripture attesting to the origin and jurisdiction of the Sabbath, from the Law's record itself. His usual rhetorical questions are his method of rejecting the answers staring him in the face, and when he does quote Scripture it usually refutes his own opinion. That's what you're defending.

Try responding to content.

 

[listed]

Why is there so much bickering from the law people? Is it because there is no commandment -

Thou shalt not bicker nor belittle another?

It always seems to be very heavy on threads not started by them. Must be their silencing tool.

 

[VictorC]

When Moses returned to Egypt the Israelites rested on the Sabbath. Ex. 5:And Pharaoh said, Behold, the people of the land now are many, and ye make them rest from their burdens.
There is no need to twist, we find in God's word clear support for the facts.
Twisting is required to deny the Sabbath before Sinai not to support it.

You've already been dragged onto the carpet for replacing the Sabbath with a three-day journey into the wilderness to offer a sacrifice with this reference. That doesn't help establish the Sabbath's origin prior to the manna experience, itself about a month before the covenant from Mount Sinai was declared.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The Israelites will keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath for all their generations to come: this is an eternal covenant. (Exodus 31:16)

Notice that it is Israel that is to observe the sabbath.

 

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

The Israelites will keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath for all their generations to come: this is an eternal covenant. (Exodus 31:16)

Notice that it is Israel that is to observe the sabbath.

Mm... we all know that. Who did you think else?

 

[Frogster]

Hot sauce keeps the system clean. Peppers are great food.

I hear ya..