Sabbath Forever!

[HARK!]

I didn't bring it up and when it was brought up I rejected it yet @HARK! continues to repeat it as my argument which I continue to reject. it's not forced in the sense that I must accept it, it's forced in the sense it doesn't belong and it's unwanted like someone constantly hitting you with a fly swatter.

Oh, so now you're the victim?

Here is the false dichotomy that you presented. You did bring it up; and it was directed toward me:

You must see sabbath as something to obey and not as a gift to receive. Have you never experienced the rest of God? Do you not seek it? This is crux of the Sabbath.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

YHWH's covenant is with Israel.

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

Yahshua was commissioned only for Israel.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Yet the very people Jesus was sent to reject the premise.

 

[DamianWarS]

Agreed:

so let's talk about the deeper parts of the sabbath then, not the surface.

 

[DamianWarS]

Oh, so now you're the victim?

Here is the false dichotomy that you presented. You did bring it up; and it was directed toward me:

do you enjoy this banter? let's halt this digression.

 

[HARK!]

so let's talk about the deeper parts of the sabbath then, not the surface.

What are you quoting me on? When did I say "agreed" In this thread?

How can one get into the depth of a subject, in absence of the superficial foundation?

 

[HARK!]

do you enjoy this banter? let's halt this digression.

So should I consider this a retraction of your false implications about me? Are you acknowledging that presenting a choice of either obedience to the sabbath, or accepting the gift of the sabbath, is a false dichotomy?

 

[HARK!]

Yet the very people Jesus was sent to reject the premise.

What premise?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

What premise?

The premise that Jesus actually went to the 'house of Israel'. Most believe they disappeared from history, leaving only Jews and Gentiles. Even the disciples puzzled over this. Paul addressed all three groups but was pretty vague about it (maybe we can blame the translators).

 

[DamianWarS]

What are you quoting me on? When did I say "agreed" In this thread?

How can one get into the depth of a subject, in absence of the superficial foundation?

The quote links back to your comments, you may read it yourself if you don't remember saying it. I'm not sure if you're playing games or what your motivation is here. Do you or do you not think the laws have greater depth to them than their surface words? If so is not the Sabbath worthy of discussing this depth?

 

[BobRyan]

I didn't bring it up and when it was brought up I rejected it yet

Well you have free will.

@HARK! continues to repeat it as my argument which I continue to reject. .

He quotes you saying it? Or he says it for you and signs your name to it??
- Or he says "you just said this ... and I don't agree with that" where what he then puts in as your words are not your words at all?

 

[BobRyan]

The quote links back to your comments, you may read it yourself if you don't remember saying it.

Are you suggesting that we go back through all the posts on the thread until we find one that demonstrates you point?

 

[BobRyan]

Can I receive sabbath in fullness on other days or is this just a once a week sort of thing?

What day does the Bible say is the Sabbath? ... "everyday"? if so please provide the quote for the sake of the readers

 

[BobRyan]

This book by Chris White,
Should Christians Keep The Sabbath? - A Refutation of Seventh Day Adventism and the Hewbrew Roots Movement, directly addresses the Sabbath and its applications to the New Covenant, through the use of scripture. It's essentially a Bible study he made into a book. The below video is actually an audio of the book itself. I suggest a listen for those interested.
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hmmm "read this book if you want to see my point"???

I see a lot of people here posting in favor the Bible Sabbath that are not SDA - is it your claim that they would all change their doctrine as soon as Adventists stop quoting the Bible - saying the 7th day is the Sabbath???

 

[BobRyan]

Assuming someone is able to keep the Sabbath holy, the question becomes;
Can keeping the Sabbath holy make someone holy?
1 Peter 1:15. But as the one who called you is holy, you also are to be holy in all your conduct.
Hebrews 6:1. Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on to perfection;
not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith towards God.
Okay, I may have answered my own question to some extent.

The Gospel with its "new birth" brings both justification and sanctification.

It is the "saints that keep the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12 - not the wicked. It is not how a wicked person becomes a saint.

 

[DamianWarS]

What day does the Bible say is the Sabbath? ... "everyday"? if so please provide the quote for the sake of the readers

"God again set a certain day, calling it 'Today.'"

What day of the week is "today"?

Also what does it mean when the Son of God says to come to him and he will give us rest? What word did he use when he spoke of this "rest"? Should we seek this rest? And when is it available?

 

[pasifika]

"God again set a certain day, calling it 'Today.'"

What day of the week is "today"?

Also what does it mean when the Son of God says to come to him and he will give us rest? What word did he use when he spoke of this "rest"? Should we seek this rest? And when is it available?

Great post! If the the 7th day Sabbath still remains then God would Not have spoken about “another day” of rest..Hebrews 4:8

 

[Bruce Leiter]

In the Beginning:


(CLV) Gn 2:3
And Elohim blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, for in it He ceased from all His work that Elohim had created by making it.

(CLV) Ex 20:11
For in six days Yahweh dealt with the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and He stopped on the seventh day. Therefore, Yahweh blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it


The Time of Moses:


(CLV) Lv 16:31
It is a sabbath of cessation for you, and you will humble your souls; it is an eonian statute. (FOREVER)

(CLV) Lv 24:8
Sabbath day by sabbath day shall he arrange it before Yahweh regularly on behalf of the sons of Israel, an eonian covenant.
(An everlasting covenant)

In the Time of Yahshua:


(CLV) Lk 4:16
And He came to Nazareth, where He was reared, and, according to His custom ion the day of the sabbaths, He entered into the synagogue and rose to read.


After Yahshua's Ascension:


(CLV) Hb 4:9
Consequently a sabbatism is left for the people of God.

(CLV) Hb 4:10
For he who is entering into His stopping, he also stops from his works even as God from His own.

(CLV) Hb 4:11
We should be endeavoring, then, to be entering into that stopping, lest anyone should be falling into the same example of stubbornness.

(CLV) Ac 17:2
Now, as was Paul's custom, he entered to them, and on three sabbaths he argues with them from the scriptures,


The Great Time of Trouble:

(CLV) Mt 24:20
Now be praying that your flight may not be occurring in winter, nor yet on a sabbath,

(CLV) Mt 24:21
for then shall be great affliction, such as has not occurred from the beginning of the world till now; neither under any circumstances may be occurring.


In the Kingdom to Come:

(CLV) Isa 66:22
For just as the new heavens and the new earth which I shall make shall stand before Me, averring is Yahweh, So your seed and your name shall stand.

(CLV) Isa 66:23
And it will come to be, as often as the new moon comes in its monthly time, And as often as the sabbath comes in its sabbath cycle, All flesh shall come to worship before Me, says Yahweh.

You're right that the Bible commands that we spend one day in seven in worship and rest from our daily work. However, Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. As a result, he told the objectionable Pharisees in Matthew 12:1-14 that their petty rules that they had added to the law were wrong when he defended his disciples' picking and eating grain and when he healed a disabled man on the Sabbath. On another occasion, he said that man was not created for the Sabbath but the Sabbath for man.

When he died on the cross, he did away with the outward form of the law and the Sabbath (Colossians 2:13-17. Therefore, the early church could decide on which day to worship and rest. They chose Sunday because on it Jesus rose from the dead.

We must not get hung up on the outward form of the laws because those forms were Israel's laws, not for the New Testament's international church. However, the inner principles do apply to New Testament Christians.

 

[HARK!]

The premise that Jesus actually went to the 'house of Israel'. Most believe they disappeared from history, leaving only Jews and Gentiles.

This is what Yahshua himself said

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

But we also know this:

(CLV) 2Ki 17:18
So Yahweh showed Himself exceedingly angered with Israel and put them away, out of His presence. None remained but the tribe of Judah by itself alone.

None! Israel was carried away.

I suppose that you are familiar enough with scripture to know that Judah followed Israel in her harlotry.

In other words since Israel had been carried away; and Yahshua was commissioned only for those of Israel who were lost; then it would stand to reason that all who receive him, and only those who receive him, are Israel.

(CLV) Ro 9:6
Now it is not such as that the word of God has lapsed, for not all those out of Israel, these are Israel;

(CLV) Ro 9:7
neither that Abraham's seed are all children, but "In Isaac shall your seed be called."

(CLV) Ro 9:8
That is, that the children of the flesh, not these are the children of God, but the children of the promise is He reckoning for the seed.

 

[HARK!]

The quote links back to your comments, you may read it yourself if you don't remember saying it. I'm not sure if you're playing games or what your motivation is here. Do you or do you not think the laws have greater depth to them than their surface words? If so is not the Sabbath worthy of discussing this depth?

Again, how do you propose to reach that which is at a deeper level of discipline and understanding, while bypassing the rudimentary elements of the oracles of YHWH?

There is only one way to the Father. Yahshua told us to follow him, as he lived in perfect obedience to his Father's perfect Torah.

(CLV) Isa 28:10
For instruction is added to instruction, Instruction to instruction, principle to principle, Principle to principle, a bit here, a bit there.

(CLV) 1Co 11:1
Become imitators of me, according as I also am of Christ.

 

[HARK!]

Great post! If the the 7th day Sabbath still remains then God would Not have spoken about “another day” of rest..Hebrews 4:8

That's not what the verse says; and just so you know, Joshua was written long before Yahshua was born.