The 7th trumpet is the last trumpet in the Bible.
irth and death of Christ, as well as the fall of Satan.
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The Bible very explicitly speaks of two trumpets that will be sounded after Messiah returns.
The Coming of Jesus mentioned in Revelation 16:15-16 happen the same DAY that of Revelation 19....thus both chapters are related..Yes.
No, because the book is not in chronological order.
This has been proven multiple times.
One of the simplest examples is the return of Christ in Revelation 16:15-16 and also in chapter 19.
The 7 Th Trumpet is a Tribulation Trumpet .The 7th trumpet is the last trumpet in the Bible.
Forever...but there is some work to do...The text of Revelation 11:15 clearly states it is the time when the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God and Christ "forever". How long is "forever", and how could the text be any clearer?
The beginning of Revelation 12 talk effectively about the birth and death of Christ......AND also about a time in the FUTURE when Satan and his fallen angels will be cast out of Heaven down to Earth Revelation 12:7-12....who will start the beginning of the 42 months reign of the Beast described in Revelation 13.The beginning of chapter 12 is a review of Church history, which includes the birth and death of Christ, as well as the fall of Satan.
Last trump, 7th angel sounding, voice of seventh angel, "Same Event" end of this world.The Bible very explicitly speaks of two trumpets that will be sounded after Messiah returns.
The Coming of Jesus mentioned in Revelation 16:15-16 happen the same DAY that of Revelation 19....thus both chapters are related..
The 7 Th Trumpet is a Tribulation Trumpet .
There will be a TRUMPET that will sound AFTER THE TRIBULATION....
Forever...but there is some work to do...
That is why Jesus will begin to .. clean the house in Heaven first--- by casting Satan and his fallen angels out of Heaven Revelation 12:7-12
The beginning of Revelation 12 talk effectively about the birth and death of Christ......AND also about a time in the FUTURE when Satan and his fallen angels will be cast out of Heaven down to Earth Revelation 12:7-12....who will start the beginning of the 42 months reign of the Beast described in Revelation 13.
Your response has nothing to do with the context of Matthew Matthew 24:29-31
Matthew 24:30 is a literal future event in the second advent and resurrection. You can symbolize all ya want, I dont buy it.Sure it does.
As I asked before, Show us where scruipture teaches you to interpret "They shall see the son of man coming on the clouds" in polar opposite fashion to "God rides a swift cloud" and was "seen by the eyes of all nations"?
29 But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
This is basic, fundemental apocalyptic language used by the OT prophets to describe the fall of a nation.
Symbols such as God "coming on the clouds" and being "seen" by the "eyes of all nations" to "lay the foundations of the earth bare" causing "the stars to fall from the sky" and "moon turn to blood" and "sun to go dark" "The Heavens to be Shaken" to "roll up like a scroll", etc... are repeated time and again by the prophets throughout the OT to describe God's past, FULFILLED judgments of individual nations such as Babylon, Israel, Egypt, Edom, Nineveh, etc.. in real history, using human armies as his instrument.
The burden is yours to demonstrate where scripture teaches you to wholly abandon this set OT prophetic precident the minute you find this language in the NT, and in turn apply a polar opposite, hyper literal interpretation (unrecognizable to the OT prophets), instead of continuing to apply it's well estabished, symbolic usage by those authoritative OT voices.
What makes you think the LAST Trumpet is about one of the 7 Tribulation trumpets rather than the trumpet that will sound AFTER the tribulation ?What is your definition of the word "last"?
That is a reference to the angels that have been part ofSatan and the wicked angels were cast out long ago, based on the verses below.
2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
What makes you think the last trump isnt the7th trump, is there an 8th trump?What makes you think the LAST Trumpet is about one of the 7 tribulation trumpets
rather than the trumpet that will sound AFTER the tribulation ?
That is a reference to the angels that have been part of
Genesis 6:1-4
There is a trump who will sound AFTER the tribulation.What makes you think the last trump isnt the7th trump, is there an 8th trump?
There is a trump who will sound AFTER the tribulation.
Here it is:
Matthew 24:29-31
29 But immediately AFTER the Tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send forth his angels with a great SOUND of a TRUMPET, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The structure of the Book of Revelation goes like this:Prove this is not the 7th trumpet, since we find the kingdoms of this world becoming the kingdoms of God and Christ "forever" at the 7th trumpet.
Look for the trumpet that will sound AFTER the tribulation.And back to my Brothers question...
Show us the 8th trumpet in the Book of Revelation.
Matthew 24:30 is a literal future event in the second advent and resurrection. You can symbolize all ya want, I dont buy it.
We will disagree
What makes you think the LAST Trumpet is about one of the 7 Tribulation trumpets rather than the trumpet that will sound AFTER the tribulation ?
The future second advent and resurrection are tied together in Matthew 24:30-31 also seen throughout the new testament, 1 Corinthians 15:52-54 being one.So you disagree with the OT prthnd how they used this language, yet can show a grand total of ZERO scriptures instructing you to abandon and disregard their authority on its use.
Got it.
You are in disagreement with the prophets of the OT here. You essentially are saying to us that they have no authority on the matter and you do not have to subject your position to theirs.
That you can invent out of whole cloth and apply a polar opposite interpretation on a whim and completely disregard the scriptural precedent.
I guess you believe we can just make the Bible say whatever we want it to and it’s a-ok.
Wow.
Yes, you and I will always disagree on that.
It seems that all the arguments against a literal millennium center around two ideas. The first of these is that the scriptures teach that the earth will be destroyed by fire immediately after the Lord returns to judge the world for its wickedness. This notion centers mostly around the claim that it all happens on "the day of the Lord," which these people think means a single, 24 hour revolution of the earth on its axis.
As this argument pops up very often, some time ago I wrote the following about the scriptural expressions "the day of the Lord" and "the last day."
This expression occurs 18 times in the Old Testament. And every time it is used, the Hebrew word which was translated day is yom. This is word number 3117 in Strong's Greek dictionary, and is defined by Strong as follows:
Thanks for posting all that writer. I've copied it off and put it with my notes. I'll be getting around to studying that in more depth sometime soon and your ntes will come in quite handy.
"From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially):—age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger."
So we clearly see that, although yom often means a literal 24 hour day, it is also often used figuratively to designate a period of time. Here are just a few of the numerous times this was done.
“In that day five cities in the land of Egypt will speak the language of Canaan and swear by the LORD of hosts; one will be called the City of Destruction. In that day there will be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the LORD at its border.” (Isaiah 19:18-19)
“In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian will come into Egypt and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians will serve with the Assyrians. In that day Israel will be one of three with Egypt and Assyria--a blessing in the midst of the land, whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, ‘Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance.’” (Isaiah 19:23-25)
“And in that day it shall be That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem, Half of them toward the eastern sea And half of them toward the western sea; In both summer and winter it shall occur. And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be-- ‘The LORD is one,’ And His name one.” (Zechariah 14:8-9) This example is particularly significant because the term “that day” is explicitly stated as a time that includes both “summer and winter.”
Further, the expression “the day of the Lord” is used in Ezekiel 30:3 in regard to a coming attack by Nebuchadnezzar upon Egypt, Ethiopia, and Libya, and Lydia, and all the mingled people, and Chub, and the men of the land that is in their league.( Ezekiel 30:1-19)
This is absolute proof that the scriptural term "the day of the Lord" does not refer to a specific 24 hour period of time.
Like the Hebrew word translated day, the Greek word translated day in the expression "the last day" is hemera (word number 2250 in Strong's Greek dictionary.) Strong defines this word as follows:
"Feminine (with G5610 implied) of a derivative of ἡμαι he-mai (to sit; akin to the base of G1476) meaning tame, that is, gentle; day, that is, (literally) the time space between dawn and dark, or the whole 24 hours (but several days were usually reckoned by the Jews as inclusive of the parts of both extremes); figuratively a period (always defined more or less clearly by the context):—age, + alway, (mid-) day (by day, [-ly]), + for ever, judgment, (day) time, while, years."
The figurative use of this word as a time is found in Luke 6:22-23. "Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake. Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets."
When they were hated, and separated from the company of the others, and reproached, and villified as evil, then they should rejoice. And the time when they should so rejoice is called "that day."
We see this again in John 8:56, where Jesus said, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad." Jesus' day went all the way back to the time of Abraham.
We see it again in John 16:23-27, where Jesus called all the time after his resurrection "that day." "And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full. These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall show you plainly of the Father. At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God."
We see it again in Acts 8:1, where we read, "And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles." A persecution that only lasted one day would not scatter the entire church except for the Apostles. Yet the Greek word translated time in this sentence is this same Greek word hemera which literally means day.
We see this again in Acts 15:7, where peter said, "And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe." The Greek word translated while in this sentence is this same hemera, which literally means day. This same (correct) translation of hemera as while was done in Acts 18:18. "And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow."
We see it again in Romans 8:36, "As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter." And in Romans 10:21, "But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people."
This is not all the examples we could examine, but we will stop with 2 Corinthians 6:2, "(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)"
All this is conclusive proof that neither the term “the day of the Lord” nor the term “the last day” necessarily refers to a specific 24 hour period. But many other scriptures clearly show that both of these terms refer to a period of time, not to a specific day.
The reference Paul wrote about as the Last Trump is not related to the trumpets in Revelation as the book of Revelation was written 40 years after Paul spoke of the Last trump as noted in Thessalonians. Paul had no way of knowing what would be in the Book of revelation due to it not being written when Paul wrote about the Last trumpBecause one is in the text of the Book of Revelation and the other is not.
There is no 8th trumpet in the Book of Revelation.
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"Don't Be Deceived", A 1000 Year Earthly Kingdom Isn't Found In The Holy Scripture.
Do you agree that the 7 Trumpets mentioned in the Book of Revelation are 7 TRIBULATION TRUMPETS ?Because one is in the text of the Book of Revelation and the other is not.
There is no 8th trumpet in the Book of Revelation.
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Revelation 20:1-6 does not teach a kingdom will be on this earth, where Jews are sacrificing animals in a temple, as mortal humans are present, as Jesus sits on a throne in Jerusalem?But Revelation 20 states so.
Who's being deceived exactly?
How do you handle Revelation 19? What's that all about?
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