Revelation 20:1-6 A Literal Kingdom?

[Truth7t7]

Revelation 20:1-6 represents the Lords spiritual realm, there is no time in the spiritual realm, A Thousand years is a day " No Earthly Time" Thousand is not literal.
2 Peter 3:8, Psalms 50:10

In verses 1-6 you see 100% spiritual beings, in the Lord's eternal realm of no time.
Angel, heaven, devil, satan, the souls, the dead, God, Christ, there is no physical earthly kingdom seen, none "A Fairy Tale Teaching"

Thats why this false teaching turns to the Old Testament, trying desparately to create a earthly millennial kingdom, "That Isn't There"!

(Example) Isaiah 65, Ezekiel 47, Zechariah 14, these chapters all represent the "Eternal Kingdom" not a earthly one.

This non-literal 1000 year reign is from the Lords earthly ministry to the second advent.

If a future tribulatuon saint dies one week before the second advent, he enters the non-literal 1000 year reign.

"Don't Be Deceived", A 1000 Year Earthly Kingdom Isn't Found In The Holy Scripture.

Matthew 24:23-27 Jesus Warns Against This False Teaching, Jesus Christ Will Not Return To Earth, And Hang Out With Mortal Humans.

"Believe It Not"!

Jesus Christ Is The Lord

Truth7t7

 

[SeventyOne]

Are you planning to provide proof, or are you just making a statement?

As far as all those in those verses being non-physical, Revelation 20:4 had the dead coming back to life (physical) and then reigning for 1,000 years. So, that part of your statement is false.

 

[DavidPT]

If a future tribulatuon saint dies one week before the second advent, he enters the non-literal 1000 year reign.

If that is the case, John lied to us when he told us the following.

and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Reigning for one week is hardly the same as reigning with Christ a thousand years. The text says that eveyone who has part in the first resurrection, they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. It does not say any of them shall reign with Him for 1 week, or 1 month, or one year, etc, it plainly says a thousand years. No one in their right mind could think 1 week and a thousand years are referring to the same amount of time.

And speaking of time, in heaven where departed saved souls go upon death, are they dwelling on earth time there as well?? IOW, when 24 hours pass on the earth and another day either begins or ends, is this the same thing that happens in heaven as well? One would think a thousand years would only be relevant to earthly and not heavenly too. After all, the text indicates when the thousand years expires, satan shall be released out of his prison. Clearly none of that involves anything taking place in heaven, but involves what is taking place on the earth. Thus the thousand years have to do with earthly and not heavenly.

 

[mark kennedy]

Revelation 20:1-6 represents the Lords spiritual realm, there is no time in the spiritual realm, A Thousand years is a day " No Earthly Time" Thousand is not literal.
2 Peter 3:8, Psalms 50:10

In verses 1-6 you see 100% spiritual beings, in the Lord's eternal realm of no time.
Angel, heaven, devil, satan, the souls, the dead, God, Christ, there is no physical earthly kingdom seen, none "A Fairy Tale Teaching"

Thats why this false teaching turns to the Old Testament trying desparately to create a earthly millennial kingdom, that isn't there.

(Example) Isaiah 65, Ezekiel 47, Zechariah 14, these chapters all represent the "Eternal Kingdom" not a earthly one.

This non-literal 1000 year reign is from the Lords earthly ministry to the second advent.

If a future tribulatuon saint dies one week before the second advent, he enters the non-literal 1000 year reign.

"Don't Be Deceived", A 1000 Year Earthly Kingdom Isn't Found In The Holy Scripture.

Matthew 24:23-27 Warns Against This False Teaching, Jesus Christ Will Not Return To Earth, And Hang Out With Mortal Humans.

"Believe It Not"!

Jesus Christ Is The Lord

Truth7t7

It's an earthly kingdom, the question is silly

 

[DreamerOfTheHeart]

Revelation 20:1-6 represents the Lords spiritual realm, there is no time in the spiritual realm, A Thousand years is a day " No Earthly Time" Thousand is not literal.
2 Peter 3:8, Psalms 50:10

In verses 1-6 you see 100% spiritual beings, in the Lord's eternal realm of no time.
Angel, heaven, devil, satan, the souls, the dead, God, Christ, there is no physical earthly kingdom seen, none "A Fairy Tale Teaching"

Thats why this false teaching turns to the Old Testament trying desparately to create a earthly millennial kingdom, that isn't there.

(Example) Isaiah 65, Ezekiel 47, Zechariah 14, these chapters all represent the "Eternal Kingdom" not a earthly one.

This non-literal 1000 year reign is from the Lords earthly ministry to the second advent.

If a future tribulatuon saint dies one week before the second advent, he enters the non-literal 1000 year reign.

"Don't Be Deceived", A 1000 Year Earthly Kingdom Isn't Found In The Holy Scripture.

Matthew 24:23-27 Warns Against This False Teaching, Jesus Christ Will Not Return To Earth, And Hang Out With Mortal Humans.

"Believe It Not"!

Jesus Christ Is The Lord

Truth7t7

This is one possibility (which everyone should know already), but it does not rule out the many other possibilities.

The thousand years could be in our past, it could be in our future. We do not know. Much of the Book of Revelation operates as a trap to interpretation. There is one thread that runs through it, which provides answers.

There is a powerful angel, the Angel of Jesus Christ, who is the narrator and giver of the Book (Revelation), who guards the tree of life (which can only really be Jesus).

That is, though saints do have the mind of Christ to examine, there are "firewalls" they can not get beyond.

On the eternal aeon, that is our true state at heart, as our true selves are bodies of light, as revealed in the transfiguration account.

Inwardly, then, we transcend time, as we are inwardly made of light.

Flesh, then, is slow time.

Obviously, transitioning between the two would be problematic.

One thing which can be observed about the millenium is what happens before it and what happens after it is very similar.

In both cases, Satan is released from an abyss. And in both cases, Satan brings the nations against the Kingdom of God on earth. In both cases, they lose.

Technically, according to the timeless age theory, it could be an instant. At any time.

In other words, you could literally instantly spend untold amount of time of instruction and rejuvenation, and then come back to earth with only a vague grogginess and a sudden strange change of being... with unusual knowledge just coming to you, and the like.

Is this theory likely? Yes, I think so. But, until we really know for sure, it remains one theory among many.

It is dangerous to promote a theory to fact without sufficient evidence. It is wise to consider all theories, especially contradictory ones. Because we are prone to bias.

ie, to see, we must make ourselves blind. To hear, we must make ourselves deaf. Not seeing with our flesh eyes, not hearing with our flesh ears. But, seeing and hearing with the Spirit within.

 

[Truth7t7]

If that is the case, John lied to us when he told us the following.

and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Reigning for one week is hardly the same as reigning with Christ a thousand years. The text says that eveyone who has part in the first resurrection, they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. It does not say any of them shall reign with Him for 1 week, or 1 month, or one year, etc, it plainly says a thousand years. No one in their right mind could think 1 week and a thousand years are referring to the same amount of time.

And speaking of time, in heaven where departed saved souls go upon death, are they dwelling on earth time there as well?? IOW, when 24 hours pass on the earth and another day either begins or ends, is this the same thing that happens in heaven as well? One would think a thousand years would only be relevant to earthly and not heavenly too. After all, the text indicates when the thousand years expires, satan shall be released out of his prison. Clearly none of that involves anything taking place in heaven, but involves what is taking place on the earth. Thus the thousand years have to do with earthly and not heavenly.

Thousand not literal, no time in the Lords Spiritual Realm.

Jesus warned against this teaching in Matthew 24:23-27, he won't be found on this earth, did he lie?

2 Peter 3:8, Psalms 50:10, Matthew 24:23-27

 

[Truth7t7]

Are you planning to provide proof, or are you just making a statement?

As far as all those in those verses being non-physical, Revelation 20:4 had the dead coming back to life (physical) and then reigning for 1,000 years. So, that part of your statement is false.

Revelation 20:4 does not state any person is coming alive physically, on this physical earth, in a future earthly kingdom, where Jesus sits upon a throne, as Jewish priests are kiliing goats and bulls in blood offerings?

 

[Truth7t7]

It's an earthly kingdom, the question is silly

its a spirutual kingdom, dont be silly

 

[mark kennedy]

its a spirutual kingdom, dont be silly

Christ will physically return and set up a physical kingdom, nothing silly about it, it's gospel.

 

[mark kennedy]

Thousand not literal, no time in the Lords Spiritual Realm.

Jesus warned against this teaching in Matthew 24:23-27, he won't be found on this earth, did he lie?

2 Peter 3:8, Psalms 50:10, Matthew 24:23-27

I'd like remind you that this is a Christians only forum in case you are confused.

 

[Truth7t7]

="mark kennedy, return and set up a physical kingdom, nothing silly about it, it's gospel.

Christ will come and dissolve this existing earth by his fire in judgment! 2 peter 3:10-13

 

[mark kennedy]

Christ will come and dissolve this existing earth by his fire in judgment! 2 peter 3:10-13

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing that these things are thus all to be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in [all] holy living and godliness, looking for and earnestly desiring the coming of the day of God, by reason of which the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

But, according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. (2 Peter 3:10-13)
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All the elements burn with a fervent heat, how is that anything other then literal and physical?

 

[Truth7t7]

I'd like remind you that this is a Christians only forum in case you are confused.

Then why are you here?

Mr. Sarcastic

Jesus Christ Is My Lord!

Truth7t7

 

[mark kennedy]

Then why are you here?

Mr. Sarcastic

Jesus Christ Is My Lord!

Truth7t7

Because of the promise of the gospel and there is no way that is figurative. It's a literal kingdom or it's meaningless. Why are you here?

 

[SeventyOne]

Revelation 20:4 does not state any person is coming alive physically, on this physical earth, in a future earthly kingdom, where Jesus sits upon a throne, as Jewish priests are kiliing goats and bulls in blood offerings?

Revelation 20:4 actually does say clearly the dead are brought back to life and reign with Him for a thousand years. I don't think you've read the passage you've cited to make your point very well. It's right there in the plain text "They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years."

They were dead, then they were alive.

Not only does this say the opposite of your claim, but it also establishes a chronology. This set of dead who "had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands" will come back to life. It's very specific as it establishes events that must happen prior to this resurrection as well.

 

[Truth7t7]

Revelation 20:4 actually does say clearly the dead are brought back to life and reign with Him for a thousand years. I don't think you've read the passage you've cited to make your point very well. It's right there in the plain text "They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years."

They were dead, then they were alive.

Not only does this say the opposite of your claim, but it also establishes a chronology. This set of dead who "had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands" will come back to life. It's very specific as it establishes events that must happen prior to this resurrection as well.

Sorry John saw "the souls" of those that were beheaded.

There is no physical kingdom in revelation 20:1-6, its the Lords spiritual realm.

 

[Truth7t7]

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing that these things are thus all to be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in [all] holy living and godliness, looking for and earnestly desiring the coming of the day of God, by reason of which the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

But, according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. (2 Peter 3:10-13)
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All the elements burn with a fervent heat, how is that anything other then literal and physical?

I believe this earth is physical and literal, and will be dissolved "immediately after the tribulation" at the return of Jesus Christ in the "Second Advent"

Then God creates the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem.

From second advent to eternal kingdom in the twinkling of an eye.

 

[SeventyOne]

Sorry John saw "the souls" of those that were beheaded.

There is no physical kingdom in revelation 20:1-6, its the Lords spiritual realm.

Ok. I'll have to go with thinking you haven't read the passage you are citing. Are there any passages you have read that support your case?

 

[Truth7t7]

Ok. I'll have to go with thinking you haven't read the passage you are citing. Are there any passages you have read that support your case?

I have read Revelation 20:1-6 and there is no earthly kingdom with mortal living humans present

 

[SeventyOne]

I have read Revelation 20:1-6 and there is no earthly kingdom with mortal living humans present

So you didn't see the part I highlighted twice where the dead are raised to life again and it is they who reign with Christ for the 1000 years?