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[Alithis]

forgive!
move on !
let go !
forbearance !
longsuffering!
patient endurance !
and above all

--------LOVE !-------------
Love is patient,
love is kind.
It does not envy,
it does not boast,
it is not proud.
It does not dishonor others,
it is not self-seeking,
it is not easily angered,
it keeps no record of wrongs.

Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
It always protects,
always trusts,
always hopes,
always perseveres.
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

 

[Frogster]

duplicate.

 

[Frogster]

I guess sin message is not working, since repentance never ends!

On and on, altar call after altar call, because all that is happening is people are just seeing their old man, which any time ones sees it, it stinks, so they keep repenting about a dead man, Rom 6:6.

So yeah, a sin minister can always arouse the old man, and arouse a sin consciousness, and get everyone on sin bandwagon again, it is seay to do, because the old man is eternally sinful, so one can eternally point out sin, and everyone will say amem.

No big deal really.


The law arouses sin that is a fact, hear law from an old cov minister, sin gets aroused, the people feel guilty, they repent until next sermon, then they start all over again. Yawn...

 

[Frogster]

forgive!
move on !
let go !
forbearance !
longsuffering!
patient endurance !
and above all

--------LOVE !-------------
Love is patient,
love is kind.
It does not envy,
it does not boast,
it is not proud.
It does not dishonor others,
it is not self-seeking,
it is not easily angered,
it keeps no record of wrongs.

Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
It always protects,
always trusts,
always hopes,
always perseveres.
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

ummm red above, a record of wrongs is kept, every time a sin preacher comes along. What other record does the preacher talk about?

Answer...the sin record.

 

[Alithis]

ummm red above, a record of wrongs is kept, every time a sin preacher comes along. What other record does the preacher talk about?

Answer...the sin record.

you know what i meant bro ... leave it at that .

 

[Joy]

Hi Mollie,

I don't get it either. I don't understand the revulsion to the simple, scriptural concepts of repentance and obedience by a select group of individuals in this forum. I honestly don't understand how one can have a relationship with their heavenly Father and be so against repentance.

For me personally, I desire to be pleasing to my Father. So when I do something that I know is wrong, I am quick to repent. I am not concerned that I am going to lose my salvation when I sin. I know that because of what Jesus Christ did on my behalf, I am secure in my salvation. But I still repent because I know I've done something that is not pleasing to my Father, and I do desire to please Him.

Some people have likewise denigrated obedience by suggesting that because a puppy can be taught to obey, it's no big deal. But our obedience should result from our Love and desire to be pleasing to the Father.

IMO the folks that constantly post against repentance and obedience are foolish. Yes, one can enter into fear if they think that their repentance is what is keeping them saved, and one can enter into a works-based obedience where they feel like they must perform to "earn" the Father's acceptance. Those are very real issues that should be guarded against. But many of those posting against repentance make no such distinction, throwing out the baby with the bathwater in their flawed understanding of "grace".

When we receive God's grace, we can't help but be changed. The gravity of what God has done for us, even though we've done nothing to deserve it, should invariably cause us to change. It should create in us a meek, teachable heart where we are quick to repent when we know we've done wrong and where we obey our Father because we Love Him.

Hello Probinson

It's good to read such helpful comments this is the kind of post I love to read, think about and respond to. i will write more later.

I've noticed that very few posters speak of relationship with Father God and we should be encouraging each other in this.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

I've noticed that very few posters speak of relationship with Father God and we should be encouraging each other in this.

Yes, MollieSue we should be speaking of our relationship with God and our experiences here.

Wouldn't using our own lives in our examples be a powerful testimony!

 

[Alithis]

I often do just that... It sounds harsh ,but i often find theory without testimony of its application... Is just theory ..

When i post in terms of topics im not settled in ,i use words like perhaps,maybe,could be,what do you think..
But on matters the lord Jesus has work in my heart i can ..and do.. Testify of when and how he did so,of what he showed me ,of how and what i prayed by his leading..of when ,how and what he told me in response...
For me if a person cannot testify of an effectual living interaction between the lord Jesus and themselves..Then i am inclined to seriously question the validity of the claim to be christian within the bounds of my perception of it..which is a living walkibg talkibg relationship with the lord Jesus in the power and presence of his Holy spirit.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

I often do just that... It sounds harsh ,but i often find theory without testimony of its application... Is just theory ..

Me too! That's why I use the word 'hypothetical' here often. People make up a hypothetical situation that they feel they can defend. So, they are stacking the deck for their theory, so I like to use hypothetical to say 'it's just made up, right?' because it usually is.

I think I'll start saying 'hypothetical theory' because that is even better.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I don't buy this.

The "focus" of the forum (if there is such a thing) is dictated by all of the people that post here. I keep hearing how we should not "focus" on certain things, and we should instead "focus" on other things. But the great irony is that precious few people actually do anything to attempt change the focus to something else. Instead, they just complain that they don't like the "focus" where it is, which is ironically keeping the "focus" exactly what they say they don't want it.

I say if you want the "focus" of the forum on something else, make an effort to put it there. Don't just complain because the focus is wrong. Make an attempt to refocus where you you think it should be.

This, however, requires a great deal of maturity and self control. It would mean ignoring those things that are focused on the "wrong" thing and simply placing your efforts and focus on the "right" thing. But then you wouldn't be able to tell people they're "wrong" (since you'd be ignoring those wrongly focused posts), and I think that's probably asking far too much from some people here.

Focus or emphasis same meaning . its more related to a speaker, teacher or series of teachers . and the response . you may not buy it but it does not stop the phenomena from happening .

 

[Joy]

probinson
Been thinking about your post most of today so encouraging i must confess I do not understand what others are saying, I see very little here which would draw me to the Father and His Love.

I would love to talk with others about the Father and His love. Going out now but will be back later.

 

[probinson]

Hello Probinson

It's good to read such helpful comments this is the kind of post I love to read, think about and respond to. i will write more later.

I've noticed that very few posters speak of relationship with Father God and we should be encouraging each other in this.

.....

Been thinking about your post most of today so encouraging i must confess I do not understand what others are saying, I see very little here which would draw me to the Father and His Love.

I would love to talk with others about the Father and His love. Going out now but will be back later.

Hi Mollie,

Thank you for your kind words.

Our relationship with our Father is vital to our sanctification and growth. We must understand that His Love empowers us to pay no attention to a suffered wrong. We must be secure in His Love for us that He'll never leave nor forsake us, no matter what we do. We must know that He IS Love.

Those things cause us to live a repentant lifestyle. Our obedience results from that Love. It is not a list of rules that we must follow or impose on others, but a desire to be pleasing to our Father that causes us to be repentant and obedient.

Repentance and obedience are not the dirty words they've been made out to be by some in this forum. They are key to a healthy relationship with our heavenly Father.

 

[Joy]

Hi Mollie,

Thank you for your kind words.

Our relationship with our Father is vital to our sanctification and growth. We must understand that His Love empowers us to pay no attention to a suffered wrong. We must be secure in His Love for us that He'll never leave nor forsake us, no matter what we do. We must know that He IS Love.

Those things cause us to live a repentant lifestyle. Our obedience results from that Love. It is not a list of rules that we must follow or impose on others, but a desire to be pleasing to our Father that causes us to be repentant and obedient.

Repentance and obedience are not the dirty words they've been made out to be by some in this forum. They are key to a healthy relationship with our heavenly Father.

 

[Svt4Him]

Who was joking about repentance?

The issue I see that's the problem is sin addresses issues of law, and endless debates of the law are pointless, and we are told to not do it.

 

[Alithis]

Who was joking about repentance?

The issue I see that's the problem is sin addresses issues of law, and endless debates of the law are pointless, and we are told to not do it.

why must we always equate "sin" only with law?

after all the new testaments definition given of "sin" is .."to know what is right to do and not do it "
the reverse of knowing what is wrong to do and doing it ..

because the law said "thou shalt not" ...we felt a magnetism, to do .
due to the evil of our own hearts .

but because the lord Jesus has set us free to the the good things he had prepared for us before the foundation of the world ... "we shall DO " and do it for love .

the topic of repentance is not solely about stopping a particular sinful action and then asking forgiveness ..it is rather a constant state of turning away from an entire course of will,thought, and imagination leading to an action that is eternally detrimental to life and,instead, following the will of God .

The laying down of our will(life) to take up following his will and life .

i think its an error to think repentance is a singular act .it is an eternal state of being reconciled to God .

 

[Svt4Him]

I'd equate it because sin is transgression of the law, and, well...without the law sin is not charged against anyone's account.

But again, who was joking about repentance?

 

[Alithis]

I'd equate it because sin is transgression of the law, and, well...without the law sin is not charged against anyone's account.

But again, who was joking about repentance?

the topic of "who was joking" is sort of defunct now. most regulars here have an idea and i think we are over it .

on the topic of repentance itself -
you said
"I'd equate it because sin is transgression of the law, and, well...without the law sin is not charged against anyone's account."

which is an excellent point ..for we are only bound by law untill death .. and we have died in Christ by faith and risen again into his Resurrection and so no longer can sin by law be charged against us .
but that does not mean that sinfulness does not exist and that it does not need to be shunned because we are to love ..love is the right thing to do ,so to not love ..is sinful to not forgive is sinful etc

if we were say, to cheat on our wife .,.that would be a sin and if we don't repent of doing that we will die in that sin .. is it a sin because the law (which we are not bound by ) says so ? no its a sin because it is NOT LOVE ,love would never set out to do something which causes another undue pain and hurt ..
that mosaic law ,having been fulfilled by Christ does not make us without law but it is replaced by a new law .. the law of the Spirit of life in Christ JESUS .. who is the manifestation of God .. who IS LOVE .

so while we live in this body that is bent toward self-seeking and is corrupt (for flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God) we must be ina constant state of repentance ..thats is to say .. we musty be constantly turning our face toward God to follow him for he leads us further into holiness ..because if we turn our back and follow flesh it wil lead us into sin resulting in death.
so turn to God ..is to serve God .turn to flesh ,is to serve flesh .. and we will always ultimately turn toward the one we love the most .. thus repentance ..is a constant state of loving God more .

 

[Svt4Him]

And that is why it's a discussion on the law, and we are told not to do it as they are pointless debates.

But if there are in fact no people joking about it, then it probably shouldn't be said that there are people joking about it. Just seems weird to me.

 

[probinson]

Who was joking about repentance?

There has been much maligning of those who have advocated a life of repentance here lately. Everything from saying those who advocate repentance are "focused on sin"® or terrified of losing their salvation to the suggestion that it's just "mindless" repentance. People who advocate "obedience" have been equated to puppies that have been trained to perform.

So Optimax started a poll on this topic to see exactly where people stood. Thus far, I am pleased to see that it is unanimous that people believe they should repent when it is needed. There is, however, one member who won't cast a vote in the poll and won't answer the simple yes or no question, "Do you repent when needed". Now obviously it's anyone's right to decide whether they respond to a poll or answer a question gere, but since this has been a popular topic lately and the member in question has been very vocal, it's reasonable to assume that the non-answer constitutes an answer.

I have recently said that there are a small group of people in this forum who thought repentance was a dirty word, but after Optimax's poll, I now believe there is only one member who thinks that repentance is a dirty word. I've drawn this conclusion from the content of their posts and the refusal to answer this simple, direct question.

I don't want to speak for MollieSue. The only reason I'm posting any of this is because you asked the question, "Who was joking about repentance?", and this is how I see it.

The issue I see that's the problem is sin addresses issues of law, and endless debates of the law are pointless, and we are told to not do it.

I see it differently. What I have seen are admonitions, and I don't see any problem with that.

 

[Messy]

Well noone here Posts what they struggle with since they think it's noone's business so That is noone's business either. Let's just look at ourselves.