Repentance?

[JimB]

I'm curious as to what exactly he needs to apologize for? You say fraudulent behaviour, so he's been fraudulently saying his marriage was perfect? Or are you saying because of this area of his life was falling apart, he was fraudulent in all he did? See I don't know how the board found out, nor do I know how far the relationship went, but if we all follow these rules, let me appologize as well, I had a doozie with my wife a few weeks ago. Then three days ago, I have to appologize for this as well, I didn't help with the house cleaning. I also need to repent, I thought more about going for a bike ride than I did about what was happening with my children. And I'm sorry I didn't help clean the house again today, but I did hurt my foot.

But thinking about it, I don't recall reading Peter's open appology to the church when he cursed Jesus. As a matter of fact, I don't read very many appologies. Where did Paul appologize to Stephen's family?

And what exactly will an appology do? I am one who doesn't believe divorce to always be sin, so how am I to tell if this one was? The only thing I could see needing an appology is if he told people his marriage was perfect and it was a lie. I don't recall him talking about his marriage though, although truth be told, I didn't listen to him much.

Personally I'm glad God uses people who fail, it gives me hope.

TB does not owe me an apology. I never watched him strut his stuff (until after the fact) or sent him a dime. But he owes his supporters an apology for willfully deceiving them.

And what would an apology do? It might begin to restore a little of the integrity he kissed (with a capital ‘p’) away. If he doesn’t it will take away what little he has left.

~Jim

When you gonna wake up and strengthen the things that remain? ~Bob Dylan, 1979​

 

[Svt4Him]

Oh, he willfully deceived them. So he did say his marriage was perfect, knowing it was not? So jimbo, prior to your divorce, was all you preached about deceitful? I can only speak for myself, but if my marriage was in trouble, I'd try and stick to preaching the word. Is that deceiving people?

 

[probinson]

This clearly has nothing to do with TB's marriage. That was just a catalyst (excuse?) to spur all this discussion.

Apparently, now that it's been proven that TB's marriage wasn't perfect, that gives us license to make all kinds of other accusations.

 

[JimB]

Oh, he willfully deceived them. So he did say his marriage was perfect, knowing it was not? So jimbo, prior to your divorce, was all you preached about deceitful? I can only speak for myself, but if my marriage was in trouble, I'd try and stick to preaching the word. Is that deceiving people?

Actually, my divorce came as a bit of a surprise to me (to say the least). And when it happened I immediate told the church I served and resigned from my office even though the church board wanted me to stay. It was in their best interest that I stepped aside.

And how is your marriage doing, s4?

~Jim

When you gonna wake up and strengthen the things that remain? ~Bob Dylan, 1979​

 

[Svt4Him]

That was not my question jimbo, was it? My question was, and I'll quote it in case it's too much rocket science to reread it: was all you preached about deceitful?

And you said your board wanted you to say, yet you also said they were legalistic and looking for loopholes, so it's probably best not to bring that into the picture.

And I'm pretty sure I appologized for my issues just a few minutes ago.

 

[Faulty]

 

[JimB]

That was not my question jimbo, was it? My question was, and I'll quote it in case it's too much rocket science to reread it: was all you preached about deceitful?

And you said your board wanted you to say, yet you also said they were legalistic and looking for loopholes, so it's probably best not to bring that into the picture.

You are far from being able to pose a rocket science question, s4.

In hopes that you will answer my prying personal question about how your marriage is doing, I will answer yours.

No I did not deceive anyone about my marriage because (please read previous post) nor did I hide a police record of pedophilia nor did I lie about speaking to an angel names Emma.

Now, about your marriage …


~Jim

When you gonna wake up and strengthen the things that remain? ~Bob Dylan, 1979​

 

[Svt4Him]

Is that me? I think I should go repent of something, then apologize. Once I get a clear answer as to what, that'd help. I have found out so far if someone touches me I need to repent of the sin of getting touched, other than that I'm still in the dark.

 

[Elijah2]

Has the frontman for the Lakeland Fiasco yet (as of this posting) made a public apology for bringing down the “revival” and disappointing/disillusioning so many of his supporters? His board made a feeble attempt at it but what about him?

I don’t know. I haven’t heard.

Repentance would require it, shouldn’t it?

~Jim

When you gonna wake up and strengthen the things that remain? ~Bob Dylan​

Hey Jim, confession and repentance and asking for forgiveness would be more in order than an apology. An apology is worldly.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[JimfromOhio]

I'm curious as to what exactly he needs to apologize for? You say fraudulent behaviour, so he's been fraudulently saying his marriage was perfect? Or are you saying because of this area of his life was falling apart, he was fraudulent in all he did? See I don't know how the board found out, nor do I know how far the relationship went, but if we all follow these rules, let me appologize as well, I had a doozie with my wife a few weeks ago. Then three days ago, I have to appologize for this as well, I didn't help with the house cleaning. I also need to repent, I thought more about going for a bike ride than I did about what was happening with my children. And I'm sorry I didn't help clean the house again today, but I did hurt my foot.

But thinking about it, I don't recall reading Peter's open appology to the church when he cursed Jesus. As a matter of fact, I don't read very many appologies. Where did Paul appologize to Stephen's family?

And what exactly will an appology do? I am one who doesn't believe divorce to always be sin, so how am I to tell if this one was? The only thing I could see needing an appology is if he told people his marriage was perfect and it was a lie. I don't recall him talking about his marriage though, although truth be told, I didn't listen to him much.

Personally I'm glad God uses people who fail, it gives me hope.

God could use fallen people more than He could use fallen leaders. We all know that the power of grace extends deeper than our sins. Spiritually, there is forgiveness and we all send a message that love is more powerful than our brokenness.

The problem with fallen leaders have extensive consequences and affected a lot of people. Trust was broken. Spiritual leaders engaging in behaviors that contradictory to their teachings.

While its TRUE that one of the central message of the gospel that we are fallen? We all (Christians) were born sinners and fallen until Christ came into our lives. But leaders who claimed to be Christians and teach contradictory teachings?

Peter was a disciple before he become a Apostle. He was not a leader yet and we all remembered that Peter denied Jesus 3 times. Peter was restored as a disciple by Christ before becoming one of the greatest Apostles. Peter was bold, blunt and not afraid to speak up. In Peter's letters, he wrote of false teachings and false leaders.

 

[JimB]

Is that me? I think I should go repent of something, then apologize. Once I get a clear answer as to what, that'd help. I have found out so far if someone touches me I need to repent of the sin of getting touched, other than that I'm still in the dark.

I answered your dumb question, s4. Now, how about answering my dumb question?

~Jim

When you gonna wake up and strengthen the things that remain? ~Bob Dylan, 1979​

 

[Svt4Him]

You are far from being able to pose a rocket science question, s4.

In hopes that you will answer my prying personal question about how your marriage is doing, I will answer yours.

No I did not deceive anyone about my marriage because (please read previous post) nor did I hide a police record of pedophilia nor did I lie about speaking to an angel names Emma.

Now, about your marriage …


~Jim

When you gonna wake up and strengthen the things that remain? ~Bob Dylan, 1979​

See jimbo, this answers my question. You are not concerned with him apologizing for his marriage breakdown are you? You are only concerned with his other teachings.

It's funny you'd bring up his past, I once remember you saying that marking people who had a divorce was the greatest sin the church could commit, I'd like to expand that to say perhaps bringing up someone's past before they knew Christ and the power to change could be a bit bigger?

So again since it still hasn't been answered, what does he need to apologize for regarding his break-up, and since you were able to preach without deceiving people even while your marriage was breaking up, why is TB any different? See, now it will become another thread about what he teaches, as opposed to him actually apologizing for his marriage. Who would have figured.

And funny joke about the rocket science jimbo. Immitation is the highest form of flattery.

 

[JimB]

See jimbo, this answers my question. You are not concerned with him apologizing for his marriage breakdown are you? You are only concerned with his other teachings.

It's funny you'd bring up his past, I once remember you saying that marking people who had a divorce was the greatest sin the church could commit, I'd like to expand that to say perhaps bringing up someone's past before they knew Christ and the power to change could be a bit bigger?

So again since it still hasn't been answered, what does he need to apologize for regarding his break-up, and since you were able to preach without deceiving people even while your marriage was breaking up, why is TB any different? See, now it will become another thread about what he teaches, as opposed to him actually apologizing for his marriage. Who would have figured.

And funny joke about the rocket science jimbo. Immitation is the highest form of flattery.

Are you intentionally avoiding my question or just trying to drag a red herring across this thread?

Or both?

~Jim

When you gonna wake up and strengthen the things that remain? ~Bob Dylan, 1979​

 

[Svt4Him]

I answered your dumb question, s4. Now, how about answering my dumb question?

~Jim

When you gonna wake up and strengthen the things that remain? ~Bob Dylan, 1979​

I realize all posts somehow involve you jimbo, but this was directed at the picture right above my post. Sorry, for not including you in that one, my mistake.

 

[Elijah2]

TB does not owe me an apology. I never watched him strut his stuff (until after the fact) or sent him a dime. But he owes his supporters an apology for willfully deceiving them.

And what would an apology do? It might begin to restore a little of the integrity he kissed (with a capital ‘p’) away. If he doesn’t it will take away what little he has left.

~Jim

When you gonna wake up and strengthen the things that remain? ~Bob Dylan, 1979​

Yep Jimbo, TB can only call all his followers together and confess his sins and repent his sins and ask for forgiveness from our Lord Jesus Christ and his followers for deceiving them, seducing them, and feeding them a doctrine of demons.

Be blessed in Jesuss' Name.

 

[JimB]

I realize all posts somehow involve you jimbo, but this was directed at the picture right above my post. Sorry, for not including you in that one, my mistake.

Are you intentionally avoiding my question or just trying to drag a red herring across this thread?

Or both?

~Jim

When you gonna wake up and strengthen the things that remain? ~Bob Dylan, 1979​

 

[Svt4Him]

Are you intentionally avoiding my question or just trying to drag a red herring across this thread?

Or both?

~Jim

When you gonna wake up and strengthen the things that remain? ~Bob Dylan, 1979​

Jimbo, you use red herring all the time, I wonder if you really know what it means. I obviously thought this thread was about whether TB apologized about his marriage break-up, then was stupid enough to ask what exactly he needed to apologize for. I was told fraud, in which I asked you yourself if you were preaching fraudulent topics prior to your break-up, to which you replied no. Then it begs the question as to whether TB needed to apologize for his break-up, or for something else. What I gather is TB needed to apologuze whether his marriage was great or bad, which was not how I understood the op. Now the reason I figured this was in line with the op was the quote where the op, you, said TB's board has made a statement regarding this issue, and the only statement I can recall them posting was in regards to the breakup. The redherring in all of this apperas to be my marriage, which I've already appologized for, although in no way related to preaching fraud prior to a break-up nor apologizing for the teachings prior to a break-up.

And I've already answered the question about my marriage. As I said, I needed to apologize about a few things, or didn't you read that? Does how much more of an anwswer can I give, in light of the fact the op, your op, was about todd apparently apologizing for his marriage break-up.

 

[charityagape]

Dids, you can move on anytime you like.

~Jim

When you gonna wake up and strengthen the things that remain? ~Bob Dylan, 1979​

Bless your little heart.

 

[charityagape]

You are far from being able to pose a rocket science question, s4.



~Jim

When you gonna wake up and strengthen the things that remain? ~Bob Dylan, 1979​

 

[Ajax 777]

whatever ajax, if you obsess over that you waste time on things that count. Just another form of gossip

Is there some reason you addressed Dids as me?

I am not Didaskalos. And he is not me.