Refreshing...If There Were Only More Black Leaders Like This One...

[Ana the Ist]

No more wrong than a white person telling a story about something that happened. If one can be believed. so can the other.

Well let's suppose that a white man and black man tell different stories about the same event...

How do you figure out who is telling the truth?

 

[SilverBear]

Nah...I came to that conclusion on my own.

certainly not through logic, science or statistics

 

[Ana the Ist]

certainly not through logic, science or statistics

Nah, I read about what CRT was from the people who created it.

 

[SilverBear]

Nah, I read about what CRT was from the people who created it.

If so then one would expect you to have some sort of understanding of CRT

 

[Ana the Ist]

If so then one would expect you to have some sort of understanding of CRT

And I do...I linked and quoted it already, but I can do it again if you like.

 

[RDKirk]

What Christians in America really need to do is study Critical Nationalism Theory.

 

[Pommer]

If so then one would expect you to have some sort of understanding of CRT

And I do...I linked and quoted it already, but I can do it again if you like.

.@ana the Ist has a point, the founder left so much wriggle room into what CRT encompasses, that it becomes a “I-know-it-when-I-see-it”, catch-all for whatever falls under the CRT lens.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Perhaps the reason why you're getting so much pushback on this one is because of the way you worded the title of the thread:

Refreshing...If There Were Only More Black Leaders Like This One...

When the subject is framed that way, it almost sounds like someone went out of their way to find someone from a demographic that's usually not statistically on their side, and trying to use that to give extra credibility to their argument rather than letting their argument stand on their own.

Based on my observations and experiences in debates, initiating a debate on the premise of "this is one of the good ones" doesn't every really end in anything productive.

And for the record, I've been pretty vocal about my objections to critical race theory, and I've actually seen some interviews with this author on YouTube, and agree with some of the things he has to say.

I can't pretend to know your reasons for naming the thread the way you did, but the framing of this thread, on the surface, reads similarly to the threads where it's blatantly obvious that the person simply googled "Black Guy who opposes Critical Race Theory", clicked on the 3rd or 4th link, and suddenly found their new favorite political commentator.

 

[variant]

Very much so... It should not be that way, but sadly it is.

The original divisions caused by racism in the first place don't get healed if we simply ignore them.

 

[variant]

Well let's suppose that a white man and black man tell different stories about the same event...

How do you figure out who is telling the truth?

Usually the historical method.

 

[variant]

No...it's not.

A Lesson on Critical Race Theory

Simply teaching about things like the Tulsa race massacre is a significant shift from how history has been taught for the last 100 years.

Teaching kids about how that history was systematically not taught is more like CRT.

 

[rjs330]

A very good article.... Sad that the popular Christian printers were too WOKE to print this book! God Bless SALEM BOOKS for having the courage to print it! I don't have time to read many books, but this is one I'd really like to make time to read ~ Fault Lines: The Social Justice Movement and Evangelicalism's Looming Catastrophe.


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He is excellent. One of my favorite speakers and preachers. Haven't read this book though. I'll have to get it.

 

[rjs330]

Obviously everyone doesn't know the TRUTH about CRT or there wouldn't be this huge debate and divide about it. The more we understand it, the better we can help those who are deceived by it, to get their eyes open.

I think that's true where it comes to the general populace. People on this board are pretty aware of CRT. Both those that defend it and those that oppose it. If this book is anything like what he says in public, it should be very informative.

 

[rjs330]

So you think the conversation about Critical Race Theory is divisive?

CRT is divisive. That's the whole point of it. It seems to divide people by race. Pointing out the truth of it is a good thing.

 

[rjs330]

You’re right. It shouldn’t be divisive. Unfortunately, many conservative Christians seem hell bent on erecting double standards to reject it for no other reason that I can see other than the fact that it’s associated with liberals.

We reject it because it's a divisive ideology that sets out to pit one race against another and teach one race they are bad because of the color of their skin.

We used to be against that sort of thing.

 

[rjs330]

You see, for many years people of color have been telling the stories of their plight in America, but some white people have denied that it happened and history books have just omitted them. When I was a child in school , children of color had one week in February of education of the accomplishments of people of color. Now it is up to the whole month of February. Have you ever wondered why it was not in the regular history books? It is because most of that history has been swept under the rug. Today it offends the delicate sensibilities of white people to know of the atrocities perpetrated on people of color.

When did that start? When I went to school we learned all about the things that happened to black people. We learned about it in literature classes.and in history classes. My son knows about this stuff and he's 16. So when did they not teach about the plight of black people?

 

[rjs330]

Simply teaching about things like the Tulsa race massacre is a significant shift from how history has been taught for the last 100 years.

Teaching kids about how that history was systematically not taught is more like CRT.

Why are you so fixated on Tulsa? We all learned about the slave trade, how slaves were treated. We all learned about Jim Crow and how blacks were treated then. We all learned about the hangings and the crosses burned in people yards. We all learned about the KKK and the segregation blacks were forced to endure.

It's not like history classes just pretended this stuff never happened. At least not in the schools I attended. And not in the schools my kids attended.

You make it sound like History teachers only taught that white people were wonderful and blacks had no problems. Where on earth did you go to school?

This is what CRT does. Seeks to try and convince people that whites are horrible and don't want anyone to know anything about black people cause all white people are a bunch of racists.

 

[variant]

Why are you so fixated on Tulsa? We all learned about the slave trade, how slaves were treated. We all learned about Jim Crow and how blacks were treated then. We all learned about the hangings and the crosses burned in people yards. We all learned about the KKK and the segregation blacks were forced to endure.

It's not like history classes just pretended this stuff never happened. At least not in the schools I attended. And not in the schools my kids attended.

You make it sound like History teachers only taught that white people were wonderful and blacks had no problems. Where on earth did you go to school?

This is what CRT does. Seeks to try and convince people that whites are horrible and don't want anyone to know anything about black people cause all white people are a bunch of racists.

Tulsa was buried and rarely talked about until more recently. If you'd like to discuss why that would be a good topic for an academic discussion with the people you seem to dislike.

The problem with CRT is that it talks about things like the long-term systemic racism that have existed in this country that some people don't want to talk about, which wasn't limited to Jim Crow, and didn't just happen 100 years ago.

Talking about what racism is really like, and how it affects society isn't what divides us.

It's the racism that divided us and talking about it is the only way to get past it.

 

[SilverBear]

CRT is divisive. That's the whole point of it. It seems to divide people by race. Pointing out the truth of it is a good thing.

Race and racism do divide people and CRT rightly points out that this is the problem

 

[SilverBear]

We reject it because it's a divisive ideology that sets out to pit one race against another and teach one race they are bad because of the color of their skin.

We used to be against that sort of thing.

when?

Take a look through the threads in these forums and just count how many are attacking Black Lives Matter. Denouncing protesters. Vilifying the woman who started BLM. Look at how many posts there about just how violent and prone to committing crime black people are. In so many threads one race is pained as bad. Even this thread we are in begins with a denouncement of black leaders as unreasonable or not smart enough to see the "truth"