Refreshing...If There Were Only More Black Leaders Like This One...

[Ana the Ist]

"It critiques how the social construction of race and institutionalized racism perpetuate a racial caste system that relegates people of color to the bottom tiers."

Sounds pretty on point to me. Whites that don't recognize this are pretty racist to me.

Which really proves the point....

Your opinions shouldn't be taught as facts to students.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Lol CRT isn't about the Tulsa Race Massacre....

Anything else?

You know I find it odd that even in 2017 they were calling it the Tulsa Race Riot in the news. Interesting that now everyone is calling it a massacre I wonder who "coined" the phrase/change?

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

What's the point of reading books that tell you what you already know?

Uhh...like the Bible?

 

[Ana the Ist]

You know I find it odd that even in 2017 they were calling it the Tulsa Race Riot in the news. Interesting that now everyone is calling it a massacre I wonder who "coined" the phrase/change?

I'm sure I can guess...

It doesn't really matter, I'm not denying history nor am I saying it shouldn't be taught. These restrictions don't prevent anyone from teaching history either.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

It would be most refreshing if we all could stop "seeing color" and only perceive others as all made in the image of God.

I agree. A co-worker of mine just happens to have black skin, but when we share about Christ we are one in the Spirit. I don't care what color the skin is. I know many other white people who are dead as a door nail spiritually, there is no connection. "The Lord knows those who are His"!

 

[Nithavela]

Uhh...like the Bible?

Exactly, like reading the bible. (Though a large quantity of christians have never really read the bible, only some bits)

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

No...it's not.

A Lesson on Critical Race Theory

Yes it is.
From your link

• Recognition of the relevance of people’s everyday lives to scholarship. This includes embracing the lived experiences of people of color, including those preserved through storytelling, and rejecting deficit-informed research that excludes the epistemologies of people of color.

 

[rturner76]

Which really proves the point....

Your opinions shouldn't be taught as facts to students.

The history of Europeans traveling the world, enslaving and conquering everything they see. How is that not relevant to why the white man dominates the world?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

You see, for many years people of color have been telling the stories of their plight in America, but some white people have denied that it happened and history books have just omitted them. When I was a child in school , children of color had one week in February of education of the accomplishments of people of color. Now it is up to the whole month of February. Have you ever wondered why it was not in the regular history books? It is because most of that history has been swept under the rug. Today it offends the delicate sensibilities of white people to know of the atrocities perpetrated on people of color.

 

[SilverBear]

Yes it is.
From your link

• Recognition of the relevance of people’s everyday lives to scholarship. This includes embracing the lived experiences of people of color, including those preserved through storytelling, and rejecting deficit-informed research that excludes the epistemologies of people of color.

I'm pretty sure Ana didn't actually want you to read the link

 

[SilverBear]

double post

 

[Ana the Ist]

Yes it is.
From your link

I don't think you understand what this section you've quoted below actually means....

• Recognition of the relevance of people’s everyday lives to scholarship. This includes embracing the lived experiences of people of color, including those preserved through storytelling, and rejecting deficit-informed research that excludes the epistemologies of people of color.

First and foremost, let's point out the obvious...there's no mention of the Tulsa race riot or massacre or any specific event from history in there.

What it does state is the biggest problem that CRT advocates have....objective reality.

The people who genuinely believe in Critical Race Theory don't debate. Thet can't, because it would go poorly for them. In fact, debate is what basically killed off Critical Legal Theory, which Critical Race Theory is heavily borrowed from.

CRT wants you to simply accept it's claims as true because some people say it's true. They don't want people to try to figure out what is true through logic or science or even statistics... they want you to just believe something is true because someone said something is true.

That's what they mean by...

"Recognition of the relevance of people’s everyday lives to scholarship."

What relevance is someone's "everyday life" to scholarship? Not much unless I'm just studying someone's life.

This includes embracing the lived experiences of people of color, including those preserved through storytelling, and rejecting deficit-informed research that excludes the epistemologies of people of color.

So what does this part mean? Why would I accept the stories of a person of color as true but not those of someone white?

What are the "epistemologies of people of color"? CRT never really explains this.. .but you can see them throw this accusation at anyone who uses science, or logic, or reason to refute CRT. CRT isn't a fan of science because it sees science as a "white" method of obtaining truth and therefore, it's flawed.

 

[Ana the Ist]

You see, for many years people of color have been telling the stories of their plight in America, but some white people have denied that it happened and history books have just omitted them. When I was a child in school , children of color had one week in February of education of the accomplishments of people of color. Now it is up to the whole month of February. Have you ever wondered why it was not in the regular history books? It is because most of that history has been swept under the rug. Today it offends the delicate sensibilities of white people to know of the atrocities perpetrated on people of color.

I hate saying "people of color" because, frankly, it looks just like "colored people" and I think that's offensive.

So I'll just say black people....and you can include anyone you want in that.

Do you think a black person can be wrong? As in.....if they tell you a story about something that happened....can they be wrong? That is, either entirely wrong about the story or partly wrong about some of the details, etc.

Can they be wrong?

 

[Ana the Ist]

The history of Europeans traveling the world, enslaving and conquering everything they see.

Is that how you see colonialism?

How is that not relevant to why the white man dominates the world?

Dominates the world? Is that a serious question?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

CRT wants you to simply accept it's claims as true because some people say it's true. They don't want people to try to figure out what is true through logic or science or even statistics... they want you to just believe something is true because someone said something is true.

Actually what they want is validation that something did happen when others say it didn't happen. How can you use logic to deny something like the Tulsa Race Massacre. You don't teach about it. You don't talk about it. You hide it under the rug. In other words you say people are lying when they bring it up. You invalidate a person's life experiences.There is history of the contributions of people of color to America that only came to light in this century, but it happened decades ago ago. People of all colors need to know these things because they are American history too.But ,praise God, the truth is finally being told, whether people want it to be told or not. This 107 y/o woman lived through the Tulsa race massacre. Who would tell her that it didn't happen?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I hate saying "people of color" because, frankly, it looks just like "colored people" and I think that's offensive.

So I'll just say black people....and you can include anyone you want in that.

That is on you, but all people of color are not black.

Do you think a black person can be wrong? As in.....if they tell you a story about something that happened....can they be wrong? That is, either entirely wrong about the story or partly wrong about some of the details, etc.

Can they be wrong?

No more wrong than a white person telling a story about something that happened. If one can be believed. so can the other.

 

[rturner76]

Is that how you see colonialism?

In a nutshell.

Dominates the world? Is that a serious question?

Who really controls the global economy? American and European bank interests. They have the money, the power, and the chief shareholders are of European decent. So yeah is controlling the flow of money on planet Earth not dominating the world? I'm talking about the 1% who own 99% of the wealth of the world.

 

[SilverBear]

I don't think you understand what this section you've quoted below actually means....



First and foremost, let's point out the obvious...there's no mention of the Tulsa race riot or massacre or any specific event from history in there.

What it does state is the biggest problem that CRT advocates have....objective reality.

The people who genuinely believe in Critical Race Theory don't debate. Thet can't, because it would go poorly for them. In fact, debate is what basically killed off Critical Legal Theory, which Critical Race Theory is heavily borrowed from.

CRT wants you to simply accept it's claims as true because some people say it's true. They don't want people to try to figure out what is true through logic or science or even statistics... they want you to just believe something is true because someone said something is true.

those opposed to CRT want you to simply accept it's claims as false because some people say they are flawed. They don't want people to try to figure out what is true through logic or science or even statistics... they want you to just believe something is false because someone said something is false.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Actually what they want is validation that something did happen when others say it didn't happen.

Who says it didn't happen?

How can you use logic to deny something like the Tulsa Race Massacre. You don't teach about it. You don't talk about it. You hide it under the rug. In other words you say people are lying when they bring it up.

Where are you getting this from?

The laws passed or proposed don't exclude teachers from teaching about Tulsa.

You invalidate a person's life experiences.There is history of the contributions of people of color to America that only came to light in this century, but it happened decades ago ago. People of all colors need to know these things because they are American history too.But ,praise God, the truth is finally being told, whether people want it to be told or not. This 107 y/o woman lived through the Tulsa race massacre. Who would tell her that it didn't happen?

This has nothing to do with Tulsa.

 

[Ana the Ist]

those opposed to CRT want you to simply accept it's claims as false because some people say they are flawed. They don't want people to try to figure out what is true through logic or science or even statistics... they want you to just believe something is false because someone said something is false.

Nah...I came to that conclusion on my own.